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Libs should be rubbing conturds faces in the settled science of global warming
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36188003) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 6:06 PM Author: domesticated pea-brained new version community account i am an actual scientist who has spoken to other scientists and academics on the subject. it is not real. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209756) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 12:19 AM Author: Anal infuriating spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36211278) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 12:21 AM Author: Alcoholic curious son of senegal business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36211285) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 12:30 AM Author: swashbuckling narrow-minded university antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36211331) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: Alcoholic regret native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36211333) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:18 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212411) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: Navy razzle-dazzle circlehead Serious Q Have you read Richard Lindzen, Dyson Freeman, or William Happer on these issues? They are obviously more qualified than you and I. But they are obviously more qualified than almost everybody else on this issue, including most of the grant-suckers. |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:35 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212463) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Navy razzle-dazzle circlehead You should explore them in more detail.
In science, what matters is that you are right. Einstein>>>>>> everybody else. These people are orders of magnitude smarter than the people you cite.
I don’t give a shit about some post doc at some shitty college freaking out about CO2 when about some masters |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease As for your last comment--no it was one of the three who was laughing, saying "CO2 isn't a poison! oxygen is more of a poison than CO2 hahaha" which I have to say is the kind of lying or if not lying then misrep of issues that raises my hackles on who is giving me the straight scoop.
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Here we go--linzen https://insideclimatenews.org/news/06032017/climate-change-denial-scientists-richard-lindzen-mit-donald-trump |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease As for the physicist DYSON, its interesting, but he doesn't seem to disagree that anthropomorphic climate change is occurring. he ventures out into areas beyond his expertise, which is fine, but he seems more to do so out of enjoying goosing the establishment. Here are some criticisms of him that may or may not be well founded but are interesting nonetheless: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/05/freeman-dysons-selective-vision/
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:47 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease interesting point on Happer
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/08/greenpeace-exposes-sceptics-cast-doubt-climate-science |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:48 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease https://skepticalscience.com/schmitt-happer-wsj.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212704) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 12:03 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/The-Real-Truth-About-Greenhouse-Gases-and-Climate-Change_1.pdf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212771) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: cerebral beta boistinker The fact that you think you can get away with the “3%” comment on xo proves you are a truly stupid person (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212572) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:07 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease You may lack the self-awareness to understand this, but your comment suggests that you aren't really much of a scientist. That's not how scientists talk about things and data. You've sort of self pwned even by the way you communicated. You know when people say "the dialogue in a movie was really bad." This is sort of what they mean. But again, I doubt you will understand me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212561) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: cerebral beta boistinker Tell us more about the 97% meme (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212583) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:35 AM Author: stubborn cruel-hearted stage corn cake $cientists are worse than lawyer$ for pushing $cam$ they say whatever deep state wants to get their grant$ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212462) |
Date: June 5th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36188110) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 7:41 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36190339) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 7:43 PM Author: jet-lagged glittery mediation Can we really address this while brown and black bodies are under attack? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36190355) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 7:46 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36190370) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:15 PM Author: chocolate genital piercing knife TWIST: they are under attack BECAUSE of global warming
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/15/study-finds-that-global-warming-exacerbates-refugee-crises |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: red library Separating out the influences of climate change from general social instability may be impossible, because they are intimately linked. But we do know that climate change can cause social and economic instability. We also know that these instabilities can boil over into larger problems that lead to mass exodus. The problem isn’t knowing the connection between climate and refugees exists – rather the problem is quantifying it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201100) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease build the wall etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201170) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 5:39 PM Author: jet-lagged glittery mediation http://s3cf.recapguide.com/img/tv/117/12x2/The-Simpsons-Season-12-Episode-2-34-78f1.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209661) |
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Date: June 6th, 2018 11:38 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36193470) |
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Date: June 6th, 2018 11:40 AM Author: hyperventilating bat shit crazy dog poop yea that totally didn't happen (with a massive media campaign spearheaded by a former presidential candidate) and it totally didn't contribute to trump being elected and a complete dunce put in as head of the EPA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36193481) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: provocative awkward parlor indirect expression EPA should be shutdown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36200191) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:13 PM Author: mauve goal in life (Ghostbusters) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36200842) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease lol yeah! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36200907) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 11:35 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36200128) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 11:38 AM Author: Laughsome round eye What policy does the settled science objectively compel?
That's what they should be discussing. |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 11:54 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Answer the question you pussed out on in this thread first:
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994014&mc=76&forum_id=2 |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 12:03 PM Author: Laughsome round eye Okay. Volcanos. Forest fires. Dogs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36200330) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 12:08 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Good. First, what percentage of the current "global warming" trend do you believe is caused by Volcanos.
Second, does this have primarily a warming effect or a cooling effect? It's a cooling effect, no? It's certainly disruptive to some degree when it happens, and contributes a share of carbon to the atmosphere, but volcanos are known for global COOLING when they erupt, more so than heating things up.
What else you got? After all, human activity is only "A" cause of the current global warming trend, according to you, so what other causes are out there.
LEt's be clear on the CAUSE(S) before we can talk about what action, if any, to take. You cant give someone glasses without testing their vision first. Diagnose first, then prescribe. |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 12:10 PM Author: Laughsome round eye Six percent. Warming.
So what do you prescribe? |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Woah woah woah--help me to understand how volcanism contributes to the current global warming trend first. Is there any support at all for this?
I know you want to argue over what to do / what can be done / nothing but first lets be clear on volcanism as a source of global warming (and you'll see why in a minute or two if you answer true). Where do you get the data for this. (I'm sure the support for it is much less than the support for human activity as a cause of the global warming trend, but I'll reserve that for another time) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:29 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease And here's an interesting link. Take it for what its worth, but the science doesn't support the idea of volcanism contributing to global warming trends--rather volcanism seems to work a cooling effect thanks to the sulfur in the upper atmosphere.
So, again, gonna answer? You want to keep things muddled so no prescription can be made--isn't that the current conturd M.O. now that they've been gaped on denying the anthropogenic causation argument again and again. |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:31 PM Author: Laughsome round eye Let's agree to disagree re volcanos and move on. The science is settled at six percent. I settled the science myself.
I made a model, and it assumes six percent is volcanos. It predicts, perfectly accurately, that sea levels will also rise by six percent in the next sixty years. So we should be good. The science is settled.
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:41 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease VERY disingenuous Boichester. Interesting how casual a threshold for credibility you place on volcanism, and yet how high a threshold of proof is placed on anthropogenic global warming. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201055) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:46 PM Author: Laughsome round eye It's more dogs etc. Breathing lots of CO2.
But I'm just trolling until you stop demanding answers to irrelevant questions and get on with rubbing my nose in the science. I'm waiting!
Then we can maybe get to the economics of it, which is the most important part. |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:51 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease As ive said before, you cant make the prescription until you are clear on the diagnosis. You seem willing to understand that concept.
As for dogs "breathing"--yeah, humans keep dogs as pets. lots of humans, lots of pets. This is part of what is encompassed by the word "anthropogenic" no? Do we really have to define words first?
So you keep saying how there are many causes of the current global warming trend but you haven't really identified anything else viable. Volcanism--well, the support isn't really there--on the contrary, volcanos net a COOLING effect. Forest fires--well yes theres an increase in forest fires because of anthropogenic global warming! its a runaway effect, much like the melting of sea ice contributes to a release of CO2. Dogs--that's just silly and falls under the rubric of human action. So, first, to be clear, can we agree that Human Activity is "THE" primary proximate cause of the current global warming trend? Can we agree to that? you haven't even come up with anything to suggest otherwise, tbf. |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: Laughsome round eye Yeah, sure man. I've been willing to do that the whole time.
Now rub my greedy fucking nose in the science and your prescription. |
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Date: June 10th, 2018 10:54 PM Author: Odious carmine locale messiness The economics of it is the only important part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36220928) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:39 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Okay, you've added forest fires.
It looks like an argument can be made that forest fires contribute to global warming by releasing CO2.
However, It looks like without human made global warming the number of forest fires would be cut down significantly. Forest fires are sort of a cycle that gets enhanced by global warming--in other words--an increase in forest fires is part and parcel of what happens when there is anthropogenic global warming. minimize the human impact, cop less of the cycling runaway effect of forest fires. So its sort of an unfair thing to say is a "cause" unless your terribly partisan on the issue, but okay. Its sort of like saying, "Melting Ice in the Poles releases CO2 and is contributing to global warming."
You mention also dogs... I don't know whats going on there ... |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:44 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease With dogs, you want to say that pet dogs eat meat and the meat processing generates a large carbon footprint. Okay, sure. But isn't this really under the rubric of anthropomogenic global warming? Its people having pets that's doing this, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201094) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:47 PM Author: Laughsome round eye Dogs, birds, all exhaling animals. Humans, too. Ants. Lots of ants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201112) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease so now that you've been gaped your going to pretend you've been trolling? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201154) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: Laughsome round eye bro... If you thought that list was serious you're a fucking retard, and I say that as a friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201563) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 10:37 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease so now that your first few efforts have been shown to bepatently ridiculous, you do a "im just joshin you bro" thing?
Next time you tell me something is or isnt, its not gonna mean anything to me. |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Laughsome round eye Just trying to have my nose rubbed in it, like you said. :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36207624) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Oh its been rubbed, brother. You just don't know it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209276) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:36 PM Author: metal confused digit ratio locus Draconian carbon tax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201016) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 11:43 AM Author: dark site "The thienth is thettled!" Shrieked the blue-haired cunt, protecting its skin from the biting May snowstorm with a rainbow scarf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36200182) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: cerebral beta boistinker https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbI8gzwWkAARdqR?format=jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212592) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36200267) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:23 PM Author: 180 gay wizard athletic conference So is this Paris Agreement actually a good agreement? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36200910) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: provocative awkward parlor indirect expression Lol wut? It was voted on by the United fucking Nations, what do you think tRumptard? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36200968) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: 180 gay wizard athletic conference Fma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36200971) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:37 PM Author: metal confused digit ratio locus It's shit. The only things that will work are a carbon tax or massive depopulation. Geoengineering may buy us some time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201026) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: provocative awkward parlor indirect expression How do you know carbon tax will “work”. Just the anti-growth incentives in general? Best thing we could do then is halt ALL immigration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201052) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 8:51 AM Author: metal confused digit ratio locus Halting immigration is cr but wouldn't do much for emissions since those people would still be alive, just belching carbon and shitting out kids in some other country. They may have a lower carbon footprint there or they may not if they end up chopping down rain forests instead of taking the subway in MFH.
Carbon tax would incentivize investment in green energy. |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 9:30 AM Author: provocative awkward parlor indirect expression Difference in emissions between a Haitian and an American are quite substantial (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36206549) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 9:35 AM Author: metal confused digit ratio locus There aren't enough Haitians on the planet to matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36206598) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 10:58 PM Author: provocative awkward parlor indirect expression The broader point is that moving the billions of people living in the third world into first world lifestyles would actually matter quite a lot. Preventing this would certainly be more effective than the silly “carbon tax” which has become some sort of rallying cry for the anti growth crowd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36210890) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Burgundy philosopher-king famous landscape painting (Guy who missed the memo that it is now “climate change” because we don’t know if we’re in a warming or cooling phase)
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:37 PM Author: 180 gay wizard athletic conference Cr. Lmao at this lib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201027) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Actually that's not why the change occurred. We know w confidence we are in a global warming phase. The word changing occurred to accommodate people who 1) don't understand that weather =/= climate and 2) to accommodate regional changes that might not follow the general global trend of radical temperature increase, as is to be expected din a fluid and complex system. You've got it wrong right out of the box. |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:15 AM Author: cerebral beta boistinker RADICAL
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Date: June 9th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: Onyx property spaceporn there's a reason you're a lawyer and not a scientist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36213696) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 3:45 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease I think what i said is more or less accurate. The term "Global warming" is too susceptible to dumbshits bringing snowballs into the floor of congress. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36213712) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: apoplectic demanding trailer park For serious: what exactly is settled? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201049) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:43 PM Author: provocative awkward parlor indirect expression The thience (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201082) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 5:02 PM Author: swashbuckling narrow-minded university antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209410) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:48 PM Author: Laughsome round eye They've BUILT MODELS, okay? And these models predict the future. It's scientific af. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201122) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (guy who thinks the science better supports that volcanos are causing the global warming trend.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201189) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: Laughsome round eye (guy who needs to be diagnosed with autism) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36207750) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: metal confused digit ratio locus I suppose it's just dumb luck that we're seeing warming trends consistent with what models have been predicting for the last 20 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36207729) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: Laughsome round eye Definite "consistent". How well did the models from 98 do for their first twenty years? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36207744) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Tell me more about volcanoes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36207834) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 12:49 PM Author: Laughsome round eye Tell me what the correct answer is, sensei. Rub my nose in it. Isn't that the strategy you're advocating? Why are you instead refusing to discuss the issue or even state your belief on the science, and instead trying to pwn me without rubbing my nose in anything? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36207856) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 4:31 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease There's this thing called GOOGLE, it's really something wonderful. Tells you all about things--gives you links to studies and science and summaries and all sorts of data. You can do the reviewing yourself, or you can rely on curators to do it for you, either way, but its all there. Amazing, really. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209246) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: Laughsome round eye My nose remains unrubbed. Fuck this I'm out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209359) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 4:57 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease lol
You don't have to ADMIT your nose is being rubbed in it to have your nose rubbed in it. It's only that other people watching know. That's what matters. |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 4:59 PM Author: Laughsome round eye So your proposal for libs to win the argument re climate change is to "rub cons noses in science" by telling them to Google things.
Fuck my ass brother, I guess I look dumb and you do not. |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease "Bein' informed about reality? Nah. Pass."
Actually its already a given that human action is the primary cause of the current global warming trend. You misstate my project.
Instead we should be banging on this victory we've already won, but we fucked up by not banging on it HARD AS FUCK every time.
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: cerebral beta boistinker IT’S a GIVEN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212608) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Strangely enough, much LESS support for YOUR "Volcanos, forest fires, dogs and breathing ants" theory of global warming than you might expect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209250) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 4:57 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Odd case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209378) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 5:26 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease https://grist.org/climate-energy/volcanoes-emit-more-co2-than-humans/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209579) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 6:06 PM Author: Laughsome round eye Page is not quantitative re the models holding up which is my biggest beef with climate change science (though my biggest problem with the actual issue is the proposals to solve it, and your suggestions are much more like my own than those libs push for), and this is the link it has for me to see for myself how well the models hold up.
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/figspm-4.htm
It's dead. Sad. Glad it confirms that the method here is to make a model, and when it doesn't work, just hindcast it and fuck with the assumptions until it does. |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:04 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Why do you infer any of that from a dead link? Is that clear thinking on the subject? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212370) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:08 AM Author: Laughsome round eye https://grist.org/climate-energy/climate-models-are-unproven/
It's explicitly stated on the page, bro. Last couple paragraphs. |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease I don't think you know what "explicitly stated" means. Because what you are saying is not "explicitly stated." You are inferring conclusions about a dead link.
Feel free to comment on any of the half dozen or so links I've provided below as well. |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: Laughsome round eye I might. Congratulations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212542) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease If you do so, please try to think carefully before you poast. Ask yourself what inferences you are making, and whether they are reasonable, and whether other equally valid inferences could be made, etc. It will help with the discussion. And make you smarter in the process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212575) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 1:47 PM Author: Laughsome round eye http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3997707&mc=1&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36213174) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 1:46 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201109) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 2:49 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36201544) |
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Date: June 7th, 2018 10:46 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36204518) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 9:33 AM Author: costumed windowlicker Weather is Pac Northwest is 180 thanks in part to Global Warming. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36206582) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 12:20 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36207584) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 12:38 PM Author: Alcoholic regret native Date: June 8th, 2018 12:00 AM Author: HodlUpHodlUpWait
5 IPCC reports
Dead wrong predictions one after the other. Completely outside the WIDE range of predicted outcomes. The Consensus.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3995058&forum_id=2#36204964)
you other thread ZERO predictive power of the phenomenon still no response b/c u are DONE HERe |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Laughsome round eye I really can't wait to have my nose rubbed in science. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36207810) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease There's this thing called GOOGLE, it's really something wonderful. Tells you all about things--gives you links to studies and science and summaries and all sorts of data. You can do the reviewing yourself, or you can rely on curators to do it for you, either way, but its all there. Amazing, really. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209274) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 5:42 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease https://grist.org/series/skeptics/?utm_source=syndication (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209671) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:07 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212373) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease http://www.eo.ucar.edu/basics/index.html
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease http://www.c2es.org/global-warming-basics/faq_s/glance_faq_science.cfm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212395) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease http://dels.nas.edu/Report/America-Climate-Choices/12781 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212398) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:16 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212400) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease http://www.eo.ucar.edu/basics/cc_5.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212415) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:18 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease too many deadlinks. i'll supplement w something more current (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212610) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (Guy who doesn't know how calculus works, accelerating rate of increase, past trends as predictive of future trends, the turbulence problem, three-object problem. Guy who thinks weather is as simple and random as a coin flip from day to day.) "STHEE! They weren't Completely Right In Their Predictions of a Fluid THYSTHTEM!!! It'th a Communitht Plot! The PRoof ith in the pudding! Follow the Money!!! IT'th the JEWTH!!" |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 5:54 PM Author: Alcoholic regret native this is about as far from "[not] completely right" as it is possible to get (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36214283) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 4:28 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209227) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 5:50 PM Author: Cracking Corner yeah, it is settled.
libs lied as usual. |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 5:52 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36209701) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 10:55 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36210870) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 10:57 PM Author: Alcoholic regret native is your schtick in not responding to people to mock libs for being narrowminded and dumb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36210886) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:23 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Most people chiming in here are just too fucking dumb to bother with. I cant handle a swarm of trolling retards at one time so I focus on whoever has most aggressively been openly disingenuous last. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212427) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: Navy razzle-dazzle circlehead see my post above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212429) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease I've replied. It's fodder for the 'tards--luckily, extrapolations from what they are pushing on the topic are not taken seriously.
As a lawyer (who should be preparing for trial right now) I should add that I really don't think it would be that hard to significantly impeach them w funding sources, etc.
THREE percent. Remember that. It's how science works of course. |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 11:02 PM Author: Light aromatic affirmative action station No one gives a fuck, same as gay marriage. Just fucking stop letting in poor (under 5mm nw) foreigners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36210912) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 12:23 AM Author: Bright rehab don't you get your low IQ lower T14 bottom of the class HOLD blown out every time you try and debate global warming? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36211297) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 8:42 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease the opposite, who is responding who can respond sensibly to my poast? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212215) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:18 AM Author: stubborn cruel-hearted stage corn cake 180 flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212408) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: cerebral beta boistinker He’s either brilliant or moronic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212615) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease lol you've just poasted like 8 times in this thread in a blinding rage--no substance at all, just SP is dumb fuck libs etc. do you need a safe space my dumb little friend? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212630) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: cerebral beta boistinker You’re makin 105 IQ arguments that are beneath XO standards. You’re linking to propaganda sources too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212707) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 12:04 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease define propaganda for us (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212774) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:32 AM Author: mind-boggling area Nigger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212653) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:52 AM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Looks like insurance companies are regularly factoring increased risk from climate change into their risk assessments. Odd case, huh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212723) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 12:10 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/WCAS-D-12-00008.1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36212786) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 12:20 PM Author: lascivious foreskin Most people would agree that humans are changing the environment which affects climate. The problem is that liberals overstate (or simply don't bother to understand) the data. Their fear mongering is somewhat understandable given the perceived urgency and potential threat to the environment. But don't pretend that conservatives are the only ones straining facts to push an agenda.
For example, the survey routinely cited for the "97% of scientists" liberal talking point doesn't actually say that 97% of climate scientists believe that humans are the primary cause of global warming. An honest summary of the survey would be to say that that 97% of relevant authors that took a position on the issue believe that greenhouse gases contribute to climate change. |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Okay. I'm at soccer game now. I'm aware that the 97 % also includes relevant scientists who simply dont disagree w the assertions, but it seems a minor point in light of the size of the general consensus. Link to your assertion and ill read it and respond. Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36213006) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 1:41 PM Author: lascivious foreskin My assertion is simply that liberals mindlessly repeat that 97% of scientists believe that humans are the primary cause of climate change based on this survey: https://www.eenews.net/assets/2013/05/16/document_cw_01.pdf
That is wrong. Not because they included scientists who don't disagree, but because they lumped all 3 categories of "believers" into the same bucket, which includes those that merely believe that greenhouse gas emissions cause warming.
Liberals appear to be using a naturalistic argument, i.e., whatever the Earth would have been like without humans is the "correct" environment that we should strive for. Therefore, we would need to quantify the amount of human change and work to reverse it at any cost. This paper does not provide the needed consensus on amount of human contribution (much less any discussion of cost--obviously outside the scope of the paper).
I would propose instead a simple cost/benefit analysis with no regard to whether humans are a net positive or negative. If we have high confidence that we can improve the environment in a quantifiable way that exceed a quantifiable cost, then by all means, let's do it. If that means reducing CO2 in the atmosphere, I'm all for it. But we should set a price on how much each ton of carbon is worth and set up incentives accordingly (tax emissions, credits for capture, etc.). |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 1:44 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Seems well considered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36213154) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: lascivious foreskin I think liberals would generally agree to the cost/benefit approach. Unfortunately, we are nowhere near consensus on the cost of an additional ton of CO2 or the benefit of removal of a ton of CO2. The various attempts to quantify are orders of magnitude apart.
So instead waiting for something close to a consensus on cost/benefit, liberals fall back on the consensus that humans are changing the environment and "we must do something now!!!" even though we have no idea what would make economic sense to do. And you are labelled a "denier" or worse if you dare ask for numbers to support the liberal proposal du jour. |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 2:19 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Noobling you seem to think that global concerted action to a significant degree is appropriate and possible. How can this be done? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36213342) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: lascivious foreskin First step is to actually come to a consensus on the dollar value of a ton of CO2 (or whatever particular climate intervention is believed to have value). The graph does not have to be linear (i.e. tipping point etc.), so each additional ton can be worth more than the last.
After we know approximately what the marginal intervention is worth, we can set up incentives. Politically, this could be easily adopted in the west where valuations on human life/environment would be similar. The problem is that poor countries will have a much lower value assigned to their CO2 emissions because their lives are worth much less (economically). They would push for subsidies from the rich countries, which misaligns incentives and complicates things politically. But because the value the poor countries extract from the environmentally damaging behavior is also of much lower value to them, there is room for a solution. We might be able to handle that via tariffs and/or extraction of natural resources from the poor countries, such that we are not simply paying poor countries not to burn coal. Or perhaps those countries agree to outsource all energy production to rich countries in exchange for cheap electricity rates. Many possibilities here once we know what the actual value of the intervention is. |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Good point. But this has to happen w American support, and will never happen so long as enough conturds keep voters ignorant or confused on tue subject. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36213698) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 5:46 PM Author: lascivious foreskin Step 1 does not require conservative voters to approve anything. Just further research and consensus among scientists and economists. Once we’re in the ballpark we can start with a lower value for carbon and slowly ramp up, adjusting the models over time.
Conservatives main argument is that we haven’t even done step 1 yet, so gov’t shouldn’t do anything economically costly yet until we know it’s worth it. |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 1:41 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease Forbes does a nice report. Their numbers in metastudies are under 97 percent. But it still looks like a scientific consensus, well above the supermajority range even under Forbes assessment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36213144) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: Sick Hall The point is that if a scientist included in the data set believes human activity contributes .000000000000000000000000000001% to an upward trend in global temperature, that scientist would be included in the 97% figure, even though that particular scientist's position does not support the lib narrative on climate change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#36213350) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 3:40 PM Author: cyan meetinghouse mad cow disease I dont think the inclusion of such scientists is problematic, because that number would be vanishingly small. How else can one explain the hockey stick after years of scientific efforts favorable to ACC theory, not favorable to other explanations. I think Noobling has squarely and succinctly summarized the main issue w stage two: What to do. Nooblings a smart dude, and/but he forgets just how dumb the average American (and lets face it, its got to be Americans) is on the subject, as this thread demonstrates. Libs aren't doing any service by their own minor fudgework, and conturds, well... Some will say anything for money. We cant get to step 2, what to do, like ever, until we deal w the denial pathology, in its various forms and degrees. There will never be enough support for voluntary carbon caps, etc. Unless and until the average American is better informed on the reality of ACC. And its such an important issue, it may be the way we go out, as a species. |
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Date: March 13th, 2019 2:37 AM Author: razzle maniacal casino police squad really stunning how stupid spaceporn is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#37922848) |
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Date: March 13th, 2019 2:39 AM Author: Orchid whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#37922852) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:27 PM Author: amethyst vigorous stead well one thing is for sure, this retired poaster sounds NOTHING like that SomeOtherGhost who posts these days (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994341&forum_id=2#40127097) |