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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:09 PM Author: lake voyeur https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/harvard-asian-enrollment-applicants.html The races are not identical, as much as some people want to think they are. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Autistic boiling water I don't know whether the results are accurate. But I'm ok with Asians using the same reasoning URMs use: "The races are all the same, so any meaningful differences attributed to the group are not a result of actual differences but rather an indication of underlying racial prejudice." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251274) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 3:01 PM Author: domesticated wonderful corner twinkling uncleanness Right. This is either true or not true. If the statement is true then it applies here. If it is untrue, then you have to accept that they may have earned their spots.
What you can't have is a theory where it is true for Blacks/Latinos/women where convenient and not true for everyone else. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 3:09 PM Author: orange crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252481) |
Date: June 15th, 2018 12:10 PM Author: Maize multi-colored parlour athletic conference (james watson) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251119) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:10 PM Author: Maize multi-colored parlour athletic conference (albert einstein) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251122) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:11 PM Author: Maize multi-colored parlour athletic conference (charles darwin) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251123) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:11 PM Author: Dark useless friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251128) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:14 PM Author: Laughsome Bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252058) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:13 PM Author: appetizing school famous landscape painting Jfc far be it from me to take the side of systemic discrimination but they are probably purposely rated lower because that’s the only way to justify not admitting them instead of Edwardo or Jamarius. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251142) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:13 PM Author: Dark useless friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251147) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:17 PM Author: swashbuckling locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251175) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:13 PM Author: Mewling spot messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251149) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:19 PM Author: bronze box office reading party no question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251183) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:20 PM Author: Infuriating Godawful Sanctuary Yes -- but it's schools only option to counter-act the Asian's abuse of the system.
The SAT is designed to be an IQ test. School look to grades to determine a kids consciousness and they look the the SAT to determine a kids IQ / aptitude.
Asians superstudy the SAT so much, their score is no longer a reflection of their IQ. If you don't account for their superstudying, you will end up admitting a bunch of 130I IQ Asians into Harvard who outscored a 150 IQ Jewish kid on the SAT. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Mewling spot messiness Jews get fucking AA now. They started this super study bullshit and whined about "discrimination" to supplant the chill fratty WASPs who focused on things like leadership and character along with academic excellence. It has been a disaster for the country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251259) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Infuriating Godawful Sanctuary Goy whites are by far the most underrepresented group at Harvard.
70% of population. 10% of Harvard student body. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: sticky business firm *56% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251310) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Infuriating Godawful Sanctuary JFC shitlibs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251313) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: talented liquid oxygen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251509) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:23 PM Author: Narrow-minded personal credit line ticket booth White goys get AA into school these days (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253512) |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:19 PM Author: Well-lubricated skinny woman theater stage slightly below 60%, and dropping like a stone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36263358) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: soul-stirring theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251318) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Dark useless friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251389) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:58 PM Author: deep shrine love how xo pushes meritocracy until jews come up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251489) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: sticky business firm glowing example of Jewish reading ability here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251507) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:02 PM Author: Dark useless friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251523) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:03 PM Author: soul-stirring theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251525) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:05 PM Author: deep shrine whites lose spots to blacks -> "there's too much subjectivity in admissions"
whites lose spots to asians/jews -> "we need more subjectivity/less pure iq in admissions" |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:07 PM Author: soul-stirring theater lol, why do you keep lumping Jews (who receive AA) in with Asians (who get discriminated against)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251556) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:09 PM Author: deep shrine ^^ begging the question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251573) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Mewling spot messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251747) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:06 PM Author: Infuriating Godawful Sanctuary Jews should be highly over-represented at elite schools, but not nearly by as much as they are currently -- especially at H, Penn, Columbia, etc.
Stanford is about right. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: deep shrine agreed but there's an obvious reason for that. rich kids from good private high schools / prep schools, plus legacies, are wildly over-represented at ivies. full of middling-iq kids whose connected parents paved the way for them. and jews are highly represented in that group. asians will be within a generation too.
if we got rid of legacy bumps and advantages for prep school kids shit would look wildly different. kids from good prep schools have like a 10-15% chance of getting into H versus like under 3% for everyone else. that comes out to a 40% chance of getting into at least one of HYP for the prep school kid, which is insane. stanford doesn't have as much of that prep school bias. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: Mewling spot messiness Jews get fucking AA. The entire admissions process is geared toward non-URMs with their backgrounds.
"For those students who come to Yale, we expect them to be versed in issues of social justice." -(((Hannah Mendlowitz))) Senior Assistant Director of Admissions at Yale
https://admissions.yale.edu/bulldogs-blogs/hannah/2018/02/23/support-student-protests
How many whites does that apply to? It applies to most Jews naturally.
Would be interesting to see the demographics of Ivy League admissions offices. Lmfao if you think a bunch of Jews are giving a genius white kid from Nebraska a fair shake. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:34 PM Author: soul-stirring theater this guy gets it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252248) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: orange crackhouse it's actually even worse, because Jews can use being "white" as cover.
It's pretty obvious if a school is 25% Asian, and that shows up in published stats.
But if a school is 45% white, no stat would be published showing that 30 of those 45% are jews.
So Jews in admissions could get a ton of Jews in relative to non-Jewish whites without anyone explicitly knowing. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: talented liquid oxygen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251506) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: soul-stirring theater WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE POOR, UNDERREPRESENTED JEWS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251371) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:54 PM Author: Mewling spot messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251462) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:25 PM Author: soul-stirring theater Or Asher and Rachel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251230) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Mewling spot messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251263) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: Infuriating Godawful Sanctuary Tiger parents force their kids to spend every waking moment cramming for tests or practicing violin -- wonder why they score low on personality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251178) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: coiffed tank These kids should be sent to train under Jewish comedians (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251257) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: sticky business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251315) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Sable public bath becky Alumni interviewers give Asian-Americans personal ratings comparable to those of whites. But the admissions office gives them the worst scores of any racial group, often without even meeting them, according to Prof. Arcidiacono. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251197) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:24 PM Author: Sepia alcoholic regret oof. Discovery in this case is going to be an ugly mess for H. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251221) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: stimulating home pisswyrm As a shitlib, aren't you happy to see institutional racism exposed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251244) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Sepia alcoholic regret Sure. Strict racial quotas and "check box" AA shouldn't be allowed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251266) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: Sable public bath becky so a range racial quota of 15-23% is ok? fucking moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251307) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: soul-stirring theater I'd be fine with racial quotas if they honestly, explicitly acknowledged them and everyone understood what was going on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251331) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Sepia alcoholic regret Technically, explicit quotas are not permitted. Originally, in the late 60's and 70's that's what schools did. They set aside a certain number of seats for black and hispanic students and they had their own admissions. It was explicit. The Supreme Court struck down that system but said you could have admissions that valued "diversity" and other soft factors other than test scores and grades.
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: soul-stirring theater Well, that was a step backwards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251397) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:39 PM Author: swashbuckling locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251785) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Autistic boiling water If that's true, that's a huge club for the plaintiffs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251287) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM Author: Narrow-minded personal credit line ticket booth Without even meeting them? Lol Harvard is done here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253520) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: lascivious greedy lettuce this has been going on at Berkeley for years:
"Asians are too dull--they study, study, study"
https://www.diversityinc.com/ask-the-white-guy/affirmative-action-why-is-ward-connerly-wrong |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: lake voyeur "I...don't like conflict." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251317) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:41 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit Need Bluesmoke to chime in with her thoughts on the substance of this issue, rather than the silly insults.
Don't worry, I will wait. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:44 PM Author: ruby marvelous indian lodge international law enforcement agency Lol you're so mad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251382) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:47 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit i've just been noticing this habit of hers for about 5 years. she jumps into racial discussion threads calling everyone racist aspies, but only engages with people calling her dumb or the N-word. She never actually addresses the substantive points. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251408) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:50 PM Author: Dark useless friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251425) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:02 PM Author: Autistic boiling water That's not fair. Sometimes she calls people virgins or otherwise attacks their sexual success. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251522) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:28 PM Author: Know-it-all crawly native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252195) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:31 PM Author: orange crackhouse LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252221) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 5:24 PM Author: stimulating home pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253233) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:52 PM Author: appetizing school famous landscape painting well most of those years she was high as fuck so she couldn't debate at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253908) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:14 PM Author: Aggressive shaky piazza oh wow what a cool guy. you are so above it all and not like these XO losers who get MAF/frustrated by IRL
SO CHILL |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:17 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251615) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: Dark useless friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251411) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:04 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo So you don’t think helicopter tiger mom driven kids are more likely to game the system? You have a hard time being real when your pet issues and interests are at stake Earl, perhaps to a greater extent than those you call out for same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251532) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit Game the system by pushing their children to do well in school and on tests that everybody knows is important for admissions? I’m not saying that admissions are or should be a pure IQ test. However the standards are out there for everybody, and Asians have no inherent advantage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251660) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:46 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo Admissions committees frankly don’t do enough to select against the kids who spent two years drilling for the SAT. It’s not a surprise that the little they do do toward that end “discriminates” against Asians. Once again, get real dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251850) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:00 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit the issue is not that they are able to identify everyone who tries to game the system and they punish them - they use race as a pretext for saying your score doesn't matter.
The racism is being judged by different standards based on your race. I can guarantee you that none of the black students who grind for the SAT have it held against them. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:03 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo We’ll find out how much “racism” is involved. I suspect little—it’s just selection against the most obvious and egregious gamers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251983) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit oh and how is the gaming obvious? Because a 200 point disparity in SAT score admissions standards for a race is pretty significant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251993) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:06 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo One glance at the resumes of my exes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252006) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 8:04 PM Author: appetizing school famous landscape painting DON'T GAME THE SYSTEM BY STUDYING GOD DAMN IT!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253955) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: thriller affirmative action No, both of those black kids got in.
Let’s not act like there isn’t a huge difference in SUPERSTUDY culture between blacks and Asians. Only one group of blacks does this—Nigerians—and they are SUPER overrepresented in higher ed. AZNs are different because this subculture exists among Chinese, Koreans, and everyone else except like Hmong. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit right. so asian culture is better at getting into college. Should that be punished? And if so, just fucking admit it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252203) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:25 PM Author: Narrow-minded personal credit line ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253529) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 5:18 PM Author: Beady-eyed opaque gay wizard SAT training has a small effect on average. an evidence based adjustment would be maybe 30 points max for Asians rather than the 150+ penalty (vs white) they get at the moment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253201) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: stubborn mildly autistic generalized bond The critique you've missed is that when a parent forces their kid to operationalize the SAT, the test becomes a less reliable signal of IQ or conscientiousness. You do have some sense of the parent's neurosis and obsessiveness though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251902) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo Wonder how he missed dat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251911) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:56 PM Author: Aggressive shaky piazza so olympic results are not valid because top athletes prepare intensely and use everything legal to optimize their performance?
hint: if you force ppl to take SAT cold you will end up with the same average scores and distribution based on race |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:00 PM Author: stubborn mildly autistic generalized bond SAT performance isn't a zero sum tipping point contest, it's a signal of learning aptitude
Thanks for that hint, glad there's an expert itt haha :^) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:01 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo I doubt Asian Americans would do much better than Northern Euro Americans, controlling for school quality and socioeconomic status. Under the current system, it’s actually the non elite Caucasians who really get the shaft. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251970) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: Aggressive shaky piazza lol
u are really going with the superstudy flame aren't you? just go look at our IMO squad year after year. its dominated by asians. and unlike SAT there are no prep schools or cramming for IMO
or look at Harvard math department. are you saying that asian phd students outnumber whites in Harvard math department bcos of superstudying/socioeconomic status? |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: soul-stirring theater There absolutely are prep/study schools for IMO. Most whites don't even know the IMO exists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252038) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit And there is prep for 4th grade math class, and algebra, and US history.
So white people should be excused for not prepping for standardized tests but black kids should not be excused for not trying or doing their homework in class? |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo You know how many kids from my high school crammed for the SAT? None. Know how many were smarter than you? Quite a few I’d have to guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252062) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit I didn't cram for the SAT. I'm sure some were smarter than me and many were not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252073) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo Yea I’m sure none of your chill fratty azn breh friends crammed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252085) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit i'm from hawaii. i'm sure some people crammed but not because they were asian. The only person from my high school I know for sure who crammed was a jewish guy and he got a 1580. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252119) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo No azn breh friends at Stanford? Come on stop being dumb and glib even you are better than that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252142) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit i had one asian friend in my clique of good friends at stanford. most of my friends at stanford were white, half of them jews. And the only one of those friends who super studied (i.e. took the SAT twice to focus on only math or verbal because they combined the highest scores) is jewish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252162) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo Okie. Well I have little doubt that there’s lots of truth to the superstudy stereotype, my own personal experiences are hardly to the contrary, and I don’t think you doubt it either. You just disfavor any efforts to counter efforts to game the system because you sense they are bad for the group or groups you identify with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252199) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit you think I want to go to school with 70% asians? I actually think the number is fine but I also think it is blatantly racist and shitlibs should cop to it. I also think its useful as a cudgel against affirmative action. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252212) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:33 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo It’s not “racist” to look beyond scores, grades, and violin lessons taken (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252241) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:34 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit no but it is racist to say "a 1200 is an acceptable score for a black applicant and a 1600 is the equivalently acceptable score for the asian applicant" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252250) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo We can quibble all day about the appropriate equivalencies. I’m fine with trying to account to some degree for both relative advantages and disadvantages at the college admissions stage, both to find the best students and to create a more equitable society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252282) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:39 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit so you are saying we disagree about how much racial discrimination against asians is appropriate to create a more equitable society? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252285) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo A) student x is black, crap school, no cramming. Student z azn excellent schools, crammed, couple hundred points better on SAT. The former might be the academically stronger student, and if you’re not already aware of that, you’re blind to reality
B) we of course disagree about justice and equity, because you care little about either |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit if we are comparing two students, maybe. But for all asian applicants, they have standards applied to them that require SAT scores above 1550. For all black students, the expected SAT score is closer to 1250.
it's not about picking which students deserve it more, its about gaming admissions criteria to have the racial quotas you want.
The fact that a good SAT score is not necessary for ANY black applicant and is necessary for almost every Asian applicant is racial discrimination by itself. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:50 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo 1250 from the ghetto can be pretty good. 1550 from Andover might not mean much. I know people from all walks of life, and have seen how much and how little various forms of disparity mean (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252375) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit were are not talking about individuals - we are talking about EVERYONE from a particular racial background. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252395) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo Well dude I’m not really in favor of mechanistic bullshit standards so sorry that I’m not going to defend them, to the extent they are used (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252416) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 3:00 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit good - just wish you did not pretend that they are not being used. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252443) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo I have not, and I think that elite school admissions is generally a bullshit scam favoring the already privileged (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252457) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Know-it-all crawly native I got a 1580 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252214) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: Pearly Garrison Hissy Fit then you beat me. I got a 1550 cold and it was good enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252228) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252051) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Aggressive shaky piazza its not widespread or well known as SAT. and in the end it doesn't matter. prep school might help you a little bit in your regional tests. prep has zero impact on who the final 6 students are. somehow 4/6 ends up being asian year after year. odd
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo “superstudy” largely does explain the disparity on the SAT. Asians on average may have a small advantage at math, but that’s about it. Sounds like you’re some kind of race realist, and I’m not, but it would not be hard to substantiate my contentions in that literature. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252047) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: Aggressive shaky piazza rink? is superstudy/prep the reason white kids from poor families outperform black students from families making > 200K (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252226) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo I’m not Asian as you’ve probably gathered. And sure even relatively poor whites might have some advantages over fairly affluent blacks. But that’s a tangent, as I’d hope you know (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252316) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Aggressive shaky piazza you made this statement:
“superstudy” largely does explain the disparity on the SAT.
now prove it. and also explain the interesting phenomenon where black/white SAT score gap persists even when you compare poor white kids with rich black kids. are you saying white kids from families making 35K in arkansas or west virginia have better resources/schools/"superstudy" than rich black kids growing up in NYC/LA? is that the reason for the disparity? |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo Explain the disparity between certain asians and certain Europeans, which is what we’d been talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252388) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:55 PM Author: Aggressive shaky piazza lol u are the worst. at least be a shitlib and say race doesn't matter. u want it both ways. race explains white/black gap but doesn't explain asian-white gap? its not just SAT scores. go look at top STEM PhD programs. asians pwn whites. you dont super study into Harvard or Berkeley physics PhD program. why do asians pwn there?
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:57 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo Do Asians pwn philosophy too??? Hmmm..... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252424) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo And as to black white, I’m just not getting into those arguments in this subthread wasteland. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252431) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 8:07 PM Author: appetizing school famous landscape painting It isn't supposed to be an IQ test. It IS a test designed to measure IQ + work ethic. Sorry that achieving high on both work ethic and IQ results in a higher score than getting stoned through high school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253959) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 8:51 PM Author: cheese-eating parlor brethren Why did you bring me into this and start talking shit about me you psycho?
I wasn't even around - on the board or in this thread- at the time. I only saw this cause someone texted me and was like "um earl is flipping out on you on xoxo" |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:40 PM Author: appetizing school famous landscape painting OH WHAT A FLIP OUT
odd case, she again, didn't respond substantively but started calling names |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:38 PM Author: swashbuckling locale This is bullshit man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36251777) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Big Institution Foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252084) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:21 PM Author: dashing bistre mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253500) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: Rambunctious haunted graveyard So that explains why the Dean wrote this panicked letter a few days ago: http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4000338&mc=20&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252096) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: Big Institution Foreskin She's not the dean. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252141) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: Hilarious hot meetinghouse partner Real talk: if I could build an elite university from scratch, I would not use test scores as the sole metric. It would be the first criteria to cull out dumbs, but using SAT/ACT as the sole criteria is a terrible idea.
I want some alpha jock chads walking around to balance things out. Confident leaders are just as important to society as neebish nerds. Perhaps moreso, although libs are trying to change that. I'd also want some smoking hot CGWBT types roaming around to remind everyone what is truly important in life.
Personally, I think we should just go back to quotas. Allow for slight over-representation among certain groups based on test scores. And yes, jewish people should have their own quota, just like everyone else. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:31 PM Author: Know-it-all crawly native high standardized test score does not exclude "alpha jock chad" quality or physical attractiveness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252222) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Hilarious hot meetinghouse partner Of course not, which is why I said the first criteria is test scores. But we also don't need elite universities filled with only 99.9% standardized test scorers. At some point, 1-2 percentage points are meaningless and antithetical to a well-rounded student body, which should include high-T chads and homely females with big tits that want to be good Moms and raise amazing children. Society needs people like this to set an example. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252273) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: soul-stirring theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252257) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:42 PM Author: umber crotch we should have 'Fight Club' style single-combat tournaments to decide who gets to be admitted to elite universities. this would also solve the problem of how to avoid having to admit women (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252309) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: deep shrine lol in what universe were test scores ever the only metric (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252324) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Big Institution Foreskin In pretty much all other countries except this one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252367) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: domesticated wonderful corner twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253087) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM Author: Narrow-minded personal credit line ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253536) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:49 PM Author: Hilarious hot meetinghouse partner This is what many Asians are essentially arguing for, especially the NYC ones.
The metric is obviously test scores/race >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else. |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: pearl charismatic tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36252435) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: domesticated wonderful corner twinkling uncleanness It should be test scores/grades and that's about it, with a few minor spots (a few percent total) for sad stories, athletes, etc. where we're giving them a shot for other reasons. Full stop. Not the ridiculous politically motivated bullshit it is becoming. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253095) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: domesticated wonderful corner twinkling uncleanness That would be awful but is basically in line with what the US is doing. It is dumb as fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253208) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:51 PM Author: Glittery big-titted stage pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253080) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:26 PM Author: crimson slippery feces Why do so many Asians apply to this degenerated political tool of a university? H and Y are two US universities I would not associate with. PSMC and Chicago, fine.
Also, HY has a massively bloated Jewish AA quota. Over 30%...! Jews have set up a perfect tribal infrastructure for gaming every single aspect of the admissions process, most of all the totally subjective part, while hiding hideously and dishonestly under the 'Caucasian' group. The board of Harvard Corp, owner of the uni, was taken over by a majority(!) of Jews just after the turn of the century.
Smug tribal Jews are pushing out scores of better European-Americans whom H both ignores and deliberately does not bother looking for.
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:30 PM Author: Electric abode goyim Stanford and MIT have surpassed Princeton and Yale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253549) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM Author: crimson slippery feces So CSMPHY? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253630) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:43 PM Author: Narrow-minded personal credit line ticket booth HSMC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253633) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:45 PM Author: crimson slippery feces SHMCPY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253646) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:46 PM Author: Narrow-minded personal credit line ticket booth P and Y are ttt libshits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253653) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:48 PM Author: crimson slippery feces P still seems better than Y in that regard? Also, P is the richest uni per student of these 6. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253662) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 8:54 PM Author: soul-stirring theater Yeah, P belongs. Y is the weak link.
Y still pwns P on cross-admits though:
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=Princeton+University |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:15 PM Author: Mewling spot messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36263348) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:47 PM Author: Ungodly house Directional Michigan school for you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253657) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:48 PM Author: gold base quadroon first einstein, now this...180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253659) |
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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:36 PM Author: dashing bistre mood so is harvard really going to defend this by having their admissions officer testify like "hey, that's just the way it turned out, no discriminatory intent, we just rated the personalities as we found them" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36253853) |
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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:20 PM Author: Diverse painfully honest nursing home wrinkle does anyone honestly expect the asian kids applying to H to be on the same level socially as other races? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36263365) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 2:31 AM Author: Autistic boiling water All races are the same. The differences measured reflect prejudice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36263812) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 2:35 AM Author: Diverse painfully honest nursing home wrinkle (shitlib) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002754&forum_id=2#36263819) |