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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
twinkling stimulating base
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Useless idiot
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
multi-colored university
  06/15/18
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Turquoise puppy gas station
  06/15/18
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Turquoise puppy gas station
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
racy space becky
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
Hateful Mentally Impaired Gaping
  10/06/21
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twinkling stimulating base
  02/12/22
they have no debt as I understand it
mind-boggling potus
  06/15/18
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Turquoise puppy gas station
  06/15/18
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razzmatazz insane principal's office
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
mind-boggling potus
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
thriller yapping trump supporter office
  06/15/18
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Ocher fluffy pit private investor
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Turquoise puppy gas station
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
ungodly temple
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
frum balding school masturbator
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Soul-stirring depressive state
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
racy space becky
  06/15/18
sounds 180
mind-boggling potus
  06/15/18
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Ocher fluffy pit private investor
  06/15/18
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razzmatazz insane principal's office
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
cerise odious athletic conference point
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Turquoise puppy gas station
  06/15/18
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multi-colored university
  06/15/18
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razzmatazz insane principal's office
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
razzmatazz insane principal's office
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Soul-stirring depressive state
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Carmine Sticky Center
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razzmatazz insane principal's office
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Carmine Sticky Center
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
twinkling stimulating base
  10/06/21
omg 260k where do they get off
fragrant white kitchen windowlicker
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
twinkling stimulating base
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
chestnut business firm marketing idea
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
twinkling stimulating base
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
chestnut business firm marketing idea
  06/15/18
Explain
twinkling stimulating base
  06/15/18
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twinkling stimulating base
  06/16/18
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twinkling stimulating base
  09/04/18
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Carmine Sticky Center
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
big brunch prole
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
arousing library
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twinkling stimulating base
  02/12/21
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Pink Son Of Senegal Corner
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razzmatazz insane principal's office
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twinkling stimulating base
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
umber hairraiser parlour
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
effete comical locale
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
twinkling stimulating base
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
mischievous adulterous quadroon
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
twinkling stimulating base
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
mischievous adulterous quadroon
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
twinkling stimulating base
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
crimson resort
  02/12/21
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Pink Son Of Senegal Corner
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
umber hairraiser parlour
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
crimson resort
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Contagious thirsty mad cow disease roommate
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
crimson resort
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Contagious thirsty mad cow disease roommate
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
effete comical locale
  02/12/21
lol no
Boyish toilet seat menage
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
charismatic crusty rehab boiling water
  02/15/21
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twinkling stimulating base
  06/29/21
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twinkling stimulating base
  10/06/21
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Provocative Pontificating Tank
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
180 aggressive degenerate roast beef
  10/06/21
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twinkling stimulating base
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Useless idiot

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: multi-colored university

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Turquoise puppy gas station



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Turquoise puppy gas station



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: racy space becky

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Hateful Mentally Impaired Gaping

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: twinkling stimulating base



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: mind-boggling potus

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Turquoise puppy gas station



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: razzmatazz insane principal's office



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: mind-boggling potus

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: thriller yapping trump supporter office

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Ocher fluffy pit private investor



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Turquoise puppy gas station

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: ungodly temple

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: frum balding school masturbator

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Soul-stirring depressive state

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: racy space becky

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: mind-boggling potus

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Ocher fluffy pit private investor



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: razzmatazz insane principal's office



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: cerise odious athletic conference point

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Turquoise puppy gas station



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: multi-colored university



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: razzmatazz insane principal's office



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: razzmatazz insane principal's office

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Soul-stirring depressive state



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Carmine Sticky Center



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: razzmatazz insane principal's office



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Carmine Sticky Center



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231447)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: fragrant white kitchen windowlicker

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: chestnut business firm marketing idea

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: chestnut business firm marketing idea

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base

Explain

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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Carmine Sticky Center



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: big brunch prole

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: arousing library

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Pink Son Of Senegal Corner



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: razzmatazz insane principal's office



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: umber hairraiser parlour

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: effete comical locale

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: mischievous adulterous quadroon

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: mischievous adulterous quadroon

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: crimson resort

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Pink Son Of Senegal Corner



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: umber hairraiser parlour

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: crimson resort

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Contagious thirsty mad cow disease roommate

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: crimson resort

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Contagious thirsty mad cow disease roommate

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: effete comical locale

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Boyish toilet seat menage

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: charismatic crusty rehab boiling water

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: twinkling stimulating base



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: twinkling stimulating base



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Provocative Pontificating Tank



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: 180 aggressive degenerate roast beef

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: twinkling stimulating base



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