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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
unhinged milk space
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
passionate misunderstood base
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
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crawly lodge personal credit line
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Vigorous Philosopher-king School Cafeteria
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
narrow-minded volcanic crater pervert
  10/06/21
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unhinged milk space
  02/12/22
they have no debt as I understand it
adventurous stead
  06/15/18
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crawly lodge personal credit line
  06/15/18
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up-to-no-good underhanded area
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
adventurous stead
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
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  06/15/18
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histrionic free-loading whorehouse water buffalo
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
crawly lodge personal credit line
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
bistre well-lubricated pistol
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
plum sickened market
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Charismatic slap-happy old irish cottage shrine
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Vigorous Philosopher-king School Cafeteria
  06/15/18
sounds 180
adventurous stead
  06/15/18
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histrionic free-loading whorehouse water buffalo
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up-to-no-good underhanded area
  06/15/18
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Tantric motley public bath
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up-to-no-good underhanded area
  06/15/18
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Charismatic slap-happy old irish cottage shrine
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up-to-no-good underhanded area
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garnet bearded meetinghouse
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
unhinged milk space
  10/06/21
omg 260k where do they get off
Hilarious Coiffed Juggernaut
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
unhinged milk space
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
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  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
unhinged milk space
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
provocative orchestra pit genital piercing
  06/15/18
Explain
unhinged milk space
  06/15/18
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unhinged milk space
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unhinged milk space
  09/04/18
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garnet bearded meetinghouse
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
ivory mental disorder
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
heady regret
  06/15/18
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unhinged milk space
  02/12/21
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vivacious point
  02/12/21
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up-to-no-good underhanded area
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unhinged milk space
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Hateful Electric Furnace Center
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
maroon irradiated address
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
unhinged milk space
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Red state mother
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
unhinged milk space
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Red state mother
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
unhinged milk space
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
bonkers infuriating pit
  02/12/21
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vivacious point
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Hateful Electric Furnace Center
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
bonkers infuriating pit
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Slimy love of her life
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
bonkers infuriating pit
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Slimy love of her life
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
maroon irradiated address
  02/12/21
lol no
Tan Electric Theater
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
Razzmatazz associate
  02/15/21
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unhinged milk space
  06/29/21
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unhinged milk space
  10/06/21
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Adulterous Forum
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
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  10/06/21
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unhinged milk space
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: unhinged milk space

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: passionate misunderstood base

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Tantric motley public bath

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: crawly lodge personal credit line



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: crawly lodge personal credit line



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Vigorous Philosopher-king School Cafeteria

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: narrow-minded volcanic crater pervert

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: unhinged milk space



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: adventurous stead

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: crawly lodge personal credit line



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: up-to-no-good underhanded area



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: adventurous stead

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Wonderful masturbator national

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: histrionic free-loading whorehouse water buffalo



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: crawly lodge personal credit line

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: bistre well-lubricated pistol

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: plum sickened market

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Charismatic slap-happy old irish cottage shrine

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Vigorous Philosopher-king School Cafeteria

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: adventurous stead

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: histrionic free-loading whorehouse water buffalo



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: up-to-no-good underhanded area



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Angry knife brunch

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: crawly lodge personal credit line



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Tantric motley public bath



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: up-to-no-good underhanded area



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: up-to-no-good underhanded area

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Charismatic slap-happy old irish cottage shrine



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: garnet bearded meetinghouse



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: up-to-no-good underhanded area



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: garnet bearded meetinghouse



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: unhinged milk space

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231447)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Hilarious Coiffed Juggernaut

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: unhinged milk space

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: provocative orchestra pit genital piercing

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: unhinged milk space

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: provocative orchestra pit genital piercing

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: unhinged milk space

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: unhinged milk space



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: unhinged milk space



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: garnet bearded meetinghouse



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: ivory mental disorder

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: heady regret

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: unhinged milk space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933386)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: vivacious point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933826)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: up-to-no-good underhanded area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: unhinged milk space



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Hateful Electric Furnace Center

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: maroon irradiated address

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: unhinged milk space

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Red state mother

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: unhinged milk space

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Red state mother

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: unhinged milk space

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: bonkers infuriating pit

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: vivacious point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Hateful Electric Furnace Center

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: bonkers infuriating pit

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Slimy love of her life

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: bonkers infuriating pit

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Slimy love of her life

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: maroon irradiated address

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Tan Electric Theater

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Razzmatazz associate

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: unhinged milk space



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: unhinged milk space



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Adulterous Forum



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: saffron startled yarmulke trailer park

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: unhinged milk space



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