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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:45 AM Author: Charismatic bipolar university cuck We've been trying for 4 months now.
We weren't using any sort of app / at-home test but this month she did buy a clearblue test to make sure we were fucking when she was at peak ovulation.
Here's my concern: I unloaded in her quite a bit this past cycle but I noticed that A LOT of cum was on the outside of her vag. Is that a concern or did I just probably bust a lot and some came out when she flipped around to go into "gravity mode" (i.e., legs in the air to allow cum to go in deeper).
Also, I think my cum doesn't shoot the way it should. Definitely not the way it does in porn. Very sad stuff. Mostly just dribbles out with maybe an occasional forceful ejaculation where it goes like 2 inches in distance. |
Date: June 18th, 2018 8:46 AM Author: House-broken red school grow your dick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36264183) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: Charismatic bipolar university cuck It's 6 inches (I guess that means a tiny bit above average) but quite girthy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36264359) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:47 AM Author: hairraiser milky pervert poast a pic of your erect penis and your wife's gaping vagina so the mechanical engineering experts here can weigh in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36264185) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:47 AM Author: bossy hairless public bath A few gifs of his dick ejaculating will give us additional relevant information. If he can do this over a piece of legal paper marked XOXOHTH it will give us all the info needed to provide expert advice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36264188) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 9:59 AM Author: Exhilarant Mewling Gas Station that's a good start, will also need volume and weight of avg vaginal discharge + ejaculation to calculate specific gravity and hopefully something approximating a coefficient of friction for the combined fluid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36264516) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:48 AM Author: Splenetic range ceo Theres a lot to unpack here.
Your disfigured impact sprinkler cum spewing penis aside, what you should do is just have her in gravity mode when your ready to finish then jerk off until your about to cum then just lay on top and dip it in
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Date: June 18th, 2018 8:52 AM Author: snowy flirting theatre It all sounds normal. Have her keep her hips/legs in the air for a few minutes after. Most of it will still inevitably come out when she stands but don't forget that we're talking about microscopic swimmers here. Some should get through. If no success after 6 months of trying you should both check w your doctors to make sure there's no issues. Good luck! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36264202) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 10:26 AM Author: Mind-boggling National have her do like 15-20. she can rest her legs against the wall if it's too hard to keep elevated for that long (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36264621) |
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SPRINKLING BABY DUST!!!! |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: sapphire locus party of the first part how many years was she on bc pills/how long off? The comedown can fuck up their cycles for a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36264842) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 12:59 PM Author: Charismatic bipolar university cuck she was on BC for about a year (4-5 months before we got married). she's now been off since early feb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36265672) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: salmon aphrodisiac theater blood rage There are some vitamins/supplements that have been shown to improve things like sperm motility and count. You can google to find out which ones. Some are things you'd have heard of (Vitamin C is especially good) and some are pretty obscure (to me, at least; I'm not into supplements usually). There are also supplements that have been shown to improve things like muscus consistency in women, so check into those.
I only know this because my wife wanted to target a very particular time of year to be pregnant so I figured I needed to have all my ducks in a row. Even still it took a couple of months. |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 6:06 PM Author: sepia center roommate There is a 20% chance she gets pregnant during ovulation if both are healthy and everything is working right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36267683) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 3:59 PM Author: disrespectful hospital gaming laptop depends on age and substance habits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36266966) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Mind-boggling National Gravity doesn’t just somehow not exist for sperm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36267138) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 1:49 PM Author: cowardly buck-toothed school cafeteria foreskin i got a boner reading this thread. anyone else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36266020) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: disrespectful hospital gaming laptop GTTTR talking about how "most of it will inevitably come out when she stands" was pretty intense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36266972) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: cowardly buck-toothed school cafeteria foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36267174) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: Twinkling free-loading step-uncle's house hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36267422) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: electric pearl international law enforcement agency Age? My parents had me in their 30s - took around 6 months to get preggers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36267098) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: Maniacal metal business firm sneaky criminal btw - how are we this deep into a threat like this w/o a single mention of Darnell? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36267099) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 4:31 PM Author: Maroon bisexual mexican hall No advice at the moment, but let me know if you need cum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36267170) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: Twinkling free-loading step-uncle's house hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36267424) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 4:41 PM Author: excitant heaven How old is the wife? Ethnicity of wife? She may have been pregnant but had a miscarriage before or during the next period cycle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36267237) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: outnumbered site This is how I would go about it.
I would angle myself so I hit her cervix (if she is not complaining about it, do it harder) and do that for five minutes and then I would cum right before she did. |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: sepia center roommate If she didn't get pregnant that means she didn't cum when you had sex during ovulation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36267315) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: 180 cruise ship You have to make her orgasm and then you do your thing at the same time. That causes her to "hoover" it up deep in the maw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36267433) |
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Date: June 18th, 2018 5:14 PM Author: Twinkling free-loading step-uncle's house hunting ground How deep are you thrusting when you finally nut in her?
Visual and/or audio clips would assist in this question. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: Out-of-control mood stain Even moreso if he just posted pics of his wife in lingerie so we can properly visually it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36271499) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: Spectacular violet tank house Not flame, eat foods very high in zinc and supplement with zinc. You’ll shoot ropes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004497&forum_id=2#36271449) |
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