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Lol the Manafort witness tampering is a TOTAL FARCE

He sent two text messages saying he wanted to give them a he...
hideous heaven
  06/18/18
Lol no. I read the FBI agents affidavit. He sent like a doze...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/23/18
IN MY HUMBLE AND UNBIASED FBI OPINION RELATED TO THIS MATTER...
histrionic shitlib place of business
  06/23/18
Actually it had very little narrative. It was mostly a chart...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/23/18
...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/23/18
Actually, I read it several weeks ago, and it was entirely n...
histrionic shitlib place of business
  06/23/18
All these pre-2014 communications! https://www.scribd.com...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/23/18
LOL, oh a "Attempted phone call - No duration." ...
histrionic shitlib place of business
  06/23/18
Now do the other contacts. In particular the ones from GRU a...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/23/18
Is that Person A, that was indicted? Why are you obsessed w...
histrionic shitlib place of business
  06/23/18
Konstantin Viktorovich Kilimnik was born in eastern Ukraine ...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/23/18
And LOL at suggesting it is insignificant or irrelevant that...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/23/18
lol at how sloppy the GRU is at this stuff
Onyx yarmulke ticket booth
  08/30/18
i always advise my clients to personally text and call to pe...
Passionate depressive
  06/23/18
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thirsty ivory menage codepig
  06/23/18
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Multi-colored Startled House
  06/24/18
Trumpmo here. Not a mfe on the subject but it doesn’t seem l...
turquoise low-t church
  06/23/18
Maybe he just wanted to wish them a happy birthday, or let t...
Rebellious gold black woman
  06/23/18
Litigants can do whatever they want will witnesses as long a...
walnut home
  06/23/18
i don't think that's the case, practically speaking.
nudist cracking pisswyrm
  08/30/18
TBF he asked for a list of the people he shouldn't contact a...
glassy pocket flask indian lodge
  06/23/18
(Literal retard)
Multi-colored Startled House
  06/24/18
...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/24/18
Being able to confront witnesses against you is a fundamenta...
insecure zombie-like hall
  06/24/18
In order for it be witness tampering doesn't he have to pres...
Jade soggy locale
  06/23/18
...
Excitant Hissy Fit
  06/25/18
How can it be witness tampering if Manafort doesn't even kno...
lavender sweet tailpipe meetinghouse
  06/23/18
God you’re dumb
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/23/18
is Manafort not allowed to talk to people?
lavender sweet tailpipe meetinghouse
  06/23/18
No, only the FBI is allowed to contact witnesses, threaten t...
histrionic shitlib place of business
  06/23/18
You’re even dumber
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/23/18
PSA stupid nigger, you are the dumbest motherfucker in this ...
Razzle-dazzle Haunted Graveyard
  06/23/18
TDS and AA have permanently and irreversibly crippled him
Motley purple market messiness
  06/23/18
Let's be honest, he was always a fucking idiot. But going Hi...
Razzle-dazzle Haunted Graveyard
  06/23/18
What the hell is AA
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/23/18
It starts with affirm and ends with tion.
Motley purple market messiness
  06/24/18
No one is this stupid so good flame.
Multi-colored Startled House
  06/24/18
I have no opinion on the viability of an independent prosecu...
Mauve roommate
  06/23/18
Trump will be indicted for Russian collusion now.
Razzle-dazzle Haunted Graveyard
  06/23/18
I'll settle for unindicted co-conspirator, but even if Muell...
Sinister center round eye
  06/24/18
lol
Motley purple market messiness
  06/24/18
Nobody gives a fuck about Podesta or Crooked, get that throu...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/24/18
LJL at this fan fiction
Alcoholic factory reset button wrinkle
  06/24/18
Banks give away money in Russia? No wonder their economy su...
hideous heaven
  06/24/18
"instead of repayment, we will hope one of our borrower...
Burgundy theatre
  06/24/18
https://www.google.com/amp/s/splinternews.com/how-the-hell-d...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/24/18
What's the theory here? Trump defaulted on the loans and Rus...
Excitant Hissy Fit
  06/24/18
Who says they were loans? What kind of lender doesn’t take a...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/24/18
No, they invest it.
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/24/18
"potential" witnesses?
Excitant Hissy Fit
  06/24/18
Yes dummy until they testify they are all potential witnesse...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/24/18
Isn't everyone a potential witness?
Excitant Hissy Fit
  06/25/18
Ah, the well noted text message and short phone call carve o...
scarlet galvanic ratface public bath
  06/24/18
Lol
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/24/18
I lol'd
Magenta jew
  06/25/18
lol
Onyx yarmulke ticket booth
  08/30/18
...
Supple pit nowag
  08/30/18
...
thirsty ivory menage codepig
  08/30/18
...
provocative deranged macaca private investor
  06/25/18
haha wow. op got gaped pretty badly ITT
Onyx yarmulke ticket booth
  06/25/18
total farthhhhh
milky address cuckold
  06/26/18


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Date: June 18th, 2018 2:20 PM
Author: hideous heaven

He sent two text messages saying he wanted to give them a heads up and spoke with a witness on the phone for less than two minutes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36266258)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 9:49 AM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

Lol no. I read the FBI agents affidavit. He sent like a dozen messages and the last few were "plz respond" dummy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295841)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 9:58 AM
Author: histrionic shitlib place of business

IN MY HUMBLE AND UNBIASED FBI OPINION RELATED TO THIS MATTER, I believe DEFENDANT MANAFORT was attempting to OBSTRUCT JUSTICE.

In FACT, after I arrived unannounced at WITNESS 1's residence, and threatened to charge them with COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA IN THE FIRST DEGREE, WITNESS 1 agreed that MANAFORT was attempting to SUBORN PERJUY.

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN

-Your TRUSTED FBI AGENT

P.S. FUCK TRUMP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295861)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:41 AM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

Actually it had very little narrative. It was mostly a chart listing Manaforts encrypted communications with a literal GRU agent. Thoughts?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296005)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296063)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: histrionic shitlib place of business

Actually, I read it several weeks ago, and it was entirely narrative. I just pulled it back up, and yep, my post is spot on with the "SUBORN PERJURY" quote. Also, half of the affidavit references communications that pre-date 2014, and the other half has hearsay within hearsay that would never in 1000 years be admissible.

Anyways, I know this stuff flies entirely over your alcohol-addled brain, but my tongue-in-cheek post was speaking to the credibility of the FBI and the Mueller team, which will come front-and-center when agents come in and testify and are found out to be Trump-hating spies (if there are any left on Mueller's team at trial, ljl).

https://www.scribd.com/document/381165781/FBI-Manafort-Declaration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296196)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:31 AM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

All these pre-2014 communications!

https://www.scribd.com/document/381165093/Exhibit-N

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296221)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:36 AM
Author: histrionic shitlib place of business

LOL, oh a "Attempted phone call - No duration."

The obstruction!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296240)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:42 AM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

Now do the other contacts. In particular the ones from GRU agent Konstatin Kilimnik

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296259)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: histrionic shitlib place of business

Is that Person A, that was indicted? Why are you obsessed with posting about "GRU this" or "GRU that" all the time? If they are literal spies, etc, why isn't Mueller charging them as such? You know Weissmann would go buck-fucking wild with any charge possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296305)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

Konstantin Viktorovich Kilimnik was born in eastern Ukraine in the Soviet period. He studied at the Military Institute of the Ministry of Defense in Moscow, and after the Soviet breakup took Russian citizenship, he said in the interview. The institute trains interpreters for the Russian military intelligence agency, formerly known as the G.R.U. and now called the Main Directorate.

He worked for a time in Sweden as an interpreter for a Russian company that exported arms, and later in the Moscow office of the International Republican Institute, a Washington-based nonprofit, where former employees said they suspected he was informing on them to the Russian authorities.

He parted ways with the organization, a former employee of the Moscow office said, after the chief of the F.S.B., the successor agency to the K.G.B., talked in a speech about the private meetings of the institute’s officials.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/06/world/europe/robert-mueller-kilimnik-ukraine-russia-manafort.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296336)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 12:05 PM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

And LOL at suggesting it is insignificant or irrelevant that Trumps campaign Mgr and national security adviser were in constant contact with Russian military intelligence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296359)



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Date: August 30th, 2018 3:39 PM
Author: Onyx yarmulke ticket booth

lol at how sloppy the GRU is at this stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36716862)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: Passionate depressive

i always advise my clients to personally text and call to persuade adverse witnesses against them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295844)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:18 AM
Author: thirsty ivory menage codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295919)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: Multi-colored Startled House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301322)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 9:57 AM
Author: turquoise low-t church

Trumpmo here. Not a mfe on the subject but it doesn’t seem like the defendant should have any unnecessary contact with potential witnesses in a criminal trial.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295859)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:17 AM
Author: Rebellious gold black woman

Maybe he just wanted to wish them a happy birthday, or let them know he was just thinking about them. Is that wrong?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36295915)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:28 AM
Author: walnut home

Litigants can do whatever they want will witnesses as long as they don't pressure them to lie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296215)



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Date: August 30th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: nudist cracking pisswyrm

i don't think that's the case, practically speaking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36716774)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 8:27 PM
Author: glassy pocket flask indian lodge

TBF he asked for a list of the people he shouldn't contact and they refused to provide it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36298420)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: Multi-colored Startled House

(Literal retard)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301323)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 2:45 PM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301765)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: insecure zombie-like hall

Being able to confront witnesses against you is a fundamental right. Practically it should have been done through counsel.

But muellers team is going around charging people in exchange for cooperation, which isn’t considered coerceising false testimony.

But a two minute phone where nobody explicitly asked for the witness to lie is. Lol ok.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301494)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:44 AM
Author: Jade soggy locale

In order for it be witness tampering doesn't he have to pressure them to lie? If you call someone and tell them to tell the truth I'm not sure that tampers with anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296020)



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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:09 AM
Author: Excitant Hissy Fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36305242)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:53 AM
Author: lavender sweet tailpipe meetinghouse

How can it be witness tampering if Manafort doesn't even know who the witnesses are?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296070)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:16 AM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

God you’re dumb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296171)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:33 AM
Author: lavender sweet tailpipe meetinghouse

is Manafort not allowed to talk to people?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296231)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:37 AM
Author: histrionic shitlib place of business

No, only the FBI is allowed to contact witnesses, threaten them with prison, and then get ask them for the TRUTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36296245)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

You’re even dumber

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297345)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Haunted Graveyard

PSA stupid nigger, you are the dumbest motherfucker in this thread and probably every thread you post here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297359)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:26 PM
Author: Motley purple market messiness

TDS and AA have permanently and irreversibly crippled him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297363)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Haunted Graveyard

Let's be honest, he was always a fucking idiot. But going Hiroshima on his own brain cells with Jim Beam didn't do any favors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297377)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:45 PM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

What the hell is AA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36299020)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:28 AM
Author: Motley purple market messiness

It starts with affirm and ends with tion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36299516)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: Multi-colored Startled House

No one is this stupid so good flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301326)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:30 PM
Author: Mauve roommate

I have no opinion on the viability of an independent prosecution, but his conditions of pretrial release almost certainly barred any contact with potential witnesses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297375)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Haunted Graveyard

Trump will be indicted for Russian collusion now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36297380)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:49 AM
Author: Sinister center round eye

I'll settle for unindicted co-conspirator, but even if Mueller won't pull the trigger on that, having Manafort and Misha Flynn dead to rights on a wire planning the Podesta email release will be enough to take the polling on "should Trump be impeached" from the 42% it currently sits at up to around 65-70%. OTOH, if Mueller can't actually demonstrate any substantive collusion after all this and just charges a bunch of process crimes it's a pretty decent boost to Trump's re-elect chances.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36299856)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:59 AM
Author: Motley purple market messiness

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36299878)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 11:28 AM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

Nobody gives a fuck about Podesta or Crooked, get that through your head. Russian state banks gave Trump hundreds of millions of dollars in the five years before he ran for president and when he won they demanded that he pay them back by stopping congressional sanctions. That is what will lead to impeachment not "substantive collusion," whatever the fuck that means. And Flynn is an agent of Russia. Lol at caring whether he exchanged emails with Assange or some dumb shit like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301025)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: Alcoholic factory reset button wrinkle

LJL at this fan fiction

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301187)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: hideous heaven

Banks give away money in Russia? No wonder their economy sucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301304)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: Burgundy theatre

"instead of repayment, we will hope one of our borrowers will win us election. its genius!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301333)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 2:29 PM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

https://www.google.com/amp/s/splinternews.com/how-the-hell-did-the-trump-organization-access-so-much-1825801333/amp

A new report in The Washington Post reveals that in the nine years before Trump launched his presidential campaign, the Trump Organization spent more than $400 million in cash on real estate deals. This represents a striking departure for a business that previously had relied heavily on debt to do business. The Post investigation, compiled from public records, raises as many key questions as it answers regarding the source of funds used by the Trump family over nearly a decade

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/17/business/trump-organization-russia-mueller.html

In the past decade, the Trump Organization has bought and refurbished several golf courses around the world, but the financing behind those deals remains something of a mystery. A respected golf writer says that Eric Trump, a son of Mr. Trump’s who is now helping to run the Trump Organization, told him the money came from Russia.

Last year, during an interview on Boston public radio, the golf journalist James Dodson recounted a conversation he had had with Eric Trump in 2013 on a newly opened Trump golf course in Charlotte, N.C. Mr. Dodson said he had asked Mr. Trump about the company’s sources of funds, and Mr. Trump told him, “We have pretty much all the money we need from investors in Russia.”

Eric Trump has denied making the comment about Russia, but several of Mr. Dodson’s friends and colleagues confirmed that Mr. Dodson relayed the anecdote to them shortly after the conversation took place.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301706)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: Excitant Hissy Fit

What's the theory here? Trump defaulted on the loans and Russians told him they would foreclose unless he became president?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301816)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 2:57 PM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

Who says they were loans? What kind of lender doesn’t take a security interest in the subject matter of the transactions for which the money was obtained?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301847)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

No, they invest it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301591)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:32 AM
Author: Excitant Hissy Fit

"potential" witnesses?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36299778)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 12:22 PM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

Yes dummy until they testify they are all potential witnesses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301261)



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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:09 AM
Author: Excitant Hissy Fit

Isn't everyone a potential witness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36305240)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 1:28 PM
Author: scarlet galvanic ratface public bath

Ah, the well noted text message and short phone call carve out to witness tampering

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301501)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36301895)



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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: Magenta jew

I lol'd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36305235)



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Date: August 30th, 2018 3:17 PM
Author: Onyx yarmulke ticket booth

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36716711)



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Date: August 30th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: Supple pit nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36716768)



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Date: August 30th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: thirsty ivory menage codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36716777)



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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: provocative deranged macaca private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36305233)



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Date: June 25th, 2018 10:14 AM
Author: Onyx yarmulke ticket booth

haha wow. op got gaped pretty badly ITT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36305259)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 9:30 PM
Author: milky address cuckold

total farthhhhh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004770&forum_id=2#36315413)