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Fun Golf Hypo: PICK Spiettth's 3 Majors or Rory's 4 Majors
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Date: June 18th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw spiettth: masters + uso + british
rory: uso + british + 2 pga
assuming all else is equal (equal prize money, other titles, etc) over your career, which set of majors would you rather have?
would you trade 2 pga's for a green jacket? i think i would. i dont think 3 vs. 4 majors changes your place in history. is els necessarily better than vijay simply bc els won 4 majors and vijay won 3?
i think it's a fairly easy decision to take the green jacket and give up the pga's. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:51 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field honestly, yes, i would make that trade.
Rory will always be asked about the Masters. Spieth will NEVER be asked about the PGA. And the perks at the Masters are 2nd to none.
golf majors are random enough that there is not necessarily a high likelihood of winning a green jacket in the future. it's not like tennis where the Big 3 got to major finals often enough that there was a good chance the missing major would eventually fall their way. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:52 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw no hesitation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280473) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:56 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field no hesitation.
this is like trading 2 AOs, 1 RG and 1 USO for 1 each of RG, W, USO. It's a no-brainer. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:03 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw yes, but rofl @ trading 2 AOs, 1 W and 1 USO for 1 each of RG, W, USO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280565) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:06 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field i think you always, always want the channel slam. you and i disagree on this, but majors on grass and clay is super prestigious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280583) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:08 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw aside from it being a Major, the only real benefit to RG is that it rounds out the career grand slam and you can play for life.
oh wait... gaston gaudio can't even get a wild card into this fraudmud tourney. ljl it's worse than the pga |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:15 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field this is pathetic even for you, and you know it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280628) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:19 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw srs, imagine if you got a WC into tennis slams until 40. it could be fun. i bet hewitt could possibly win a match at wimbledon.
what if moya drew lance in the 1st round of RG last year? you could have some fun shit |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:53 PM Author: Beady-eyed bonkers base The PGA is a fraud of course you trade moron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280475) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:02 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw u seem angry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280554) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:25 PM Author: shimmering trip personal credit line Cr. More like Mr. DOWNSIDE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36286113) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:53 PM Author: Mahogany windowlicker Better Golf Hypo: PICK Spiettth's NW3 hairline or Rory's 5'4" stature (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280477) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:02 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280556) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:12 PM Author: charismatic address elastic band Spieth is 6'1. I would take that and horrible face disfigurement and a 25 handicap over being Rory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281217) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 11:09 PM Author: Sinister Menage cr though PGA tour measurements are taken in golf spikes im pretty sure. theyve got rory at 5'10" ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36288212) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:54 PM Author: cerebral church building PGA might as well be the player's
USO and Masters are the real ones
British Open is a nice one to have for the history |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:55 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field the perks are also really good and winning on the links shows diversity of skill.
aside from it being a Major, the only real benefit to the PGA is that it rounds out the career grand slam and you can play for life. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:59 PM Author: Pearly Swashbuckling School Cafeteria Round Eye of course (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280529) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:04 PM Author: Spruce Library Ratface Masters means more than the other three combined imo
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:10 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw you'd trade 2 USO + 1 BO or 1 USO + 2 BO for a green jacket, assuming you had no other majors? wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280601) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: Spruce Library Ratface Disregarding the prize money, yeah. So much more prestige and lifetime exemption to play in the masters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280622) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:15 PM Author: hairraiser boltzmann (definitely not Ernie Els) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280629) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:15 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field PGA gives a lifetime exemption and you can play the British until age 60 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280632) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:22 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw fwiw, you're a definite outlier in this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280670) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: hairraiser boltzmann that's not even close. Mine below is much better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280624) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:13 PM Author: hairraiser boltzmann That creates another nice hypo.
Trade 1 PGA and 1 US/British (not both) for 1 masters? I would. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:16 PM Author: Sinister Menage i'd like to see someone ask greg norman if he'd trade his two british open for a green jacket (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280633) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:18 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field he'd be inclined to say no if for no other reason than saying yes would totally shit on his career.
i think these hypos should be presented to players with no majors. that would be a better representation of preferences. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:19 PM Author: Sinister Menage well ok but id like to see him asked because hes a huge faggot and it would be funny to see his retarded explanation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280656) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:20 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field lol no argument there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280660) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:17 PM Author: odious sable degenerate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36286063) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:21 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280664) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:16 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field I don't think I would make this trade if the 2nd major were the British
If the US I'd have to think REALLY hard, but I probably wouldn't make that trade either. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:22 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw i wouldnt make this trade, whether it was a USO or a british. i'd rather be a multi-major winner w a USO or british open than have a green jacket. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280667) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:29 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field and yet every year, a piece of us would die inside as we had to look on twitter for the champions dinner menu :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280715) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:30 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280720) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:31 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field and as we socialize in the clubhouse with some faggot navy blazer on ugh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280728) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:34 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw prole tell: wearing a navy blazer at augusta (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280741) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:59 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281147) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:39 PM Author: hairraiser boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280759) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:59 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field How much work is the "different majors" doing here?
I presume you'd trade 2 PGA for 1 Masters straight up, yes? Would you trade 2 USO or Opens for 1 Masters? Or does the low number of Majors make the second way more significant? |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 10:30 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field DBG pls respond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36288076) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 12:27 AM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw depends on the overall number of majors. i think USO and the british open are both prestigious, and it's generally not worth giving up a major to get a green jacket.
the only way i'd give up a USO or a british for a masters is if i'm in the elite range with maybe 7+ majors where it wont hurt if you drop one. if you're nowhere near tiger jack, who you might as well drop one to get a green jacket. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 12:42 AM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36288635) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:02 AM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field yes i agree with that.
i was specifically asking in the context of having only the two of one major, but agreed that i wouldn't trade 2 British for a Masters.
I *might* trade 2 USO for a Masters in the situation where my career stalled out, assuming same career prize money to that point. My rationale being that I could play the Masters every year and making some cuts would get me some nice extra cash. But probably not. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:24 PM Author: Sinister Menage are you the quotemo who thought shinnecock was a shit course? ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280684) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:05 PM Author: Sinister Menage lol no way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36280574) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:00 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281156) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:02 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw u mean u you would take rory's majors? show ur work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281168) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:04 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field I mean, I can certainly see the rationale for wanting to maximize Majors, though I think we both think that in golf small differences in Majors are less pronounced than in tennis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281177) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:06 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw yet you'd give up a green jacket to have 4 vs 3? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281186) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:09 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field No i wouldn't because I think the PGA like the AO is a MINO (major in name only) and because I agree with you that small differences in # of Majors is less of a big deal in golf. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281199) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:12 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw oops i thought that was rust not you.
btw, about this MINO garbage, does winning more than one AO not count? is doctor's 20 less than lance's 17 to you? |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:15 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field We've talked about this. No it's not less, but I think you'd prefer more of the other majors. You don't really need more than 1 AO.
And I definitely ding Emerson Djoker and Agassi because of their AO heavy resumes. In the case of Agassi and Djoker the fact that they have the career grand slam cures a lot of ills. If they didn't - say if Djoker never won an RG - I'd 100% rank him below Borg |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:19 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw how can u ding someone bc of a heavy AO resume when you shit on me for dinging lance for being a one spic pony? you're punishing djoker for dominating the AO when he's won a NCYGS and more W+USO than all but a handful of guys
how many guys have won a couple plus at least 5 W+USO? |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:38 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field i'm not dinging him compared to like Becker. I'm dinging him compared to guys in the 10-14 range.
now, he compares favorably to those players because of the career grand slam. but if we assume no career grand slam he absolutely has too many majors at the weakest event.
with no RG, you want a resume more like Pete -- dominating W/USO, with an AO or 2 just to have them.
you think pete gives a fuck about his second AO? you think he wouldn't trade it in a second for ANY of the other three majors?
you think agassi wouldn't trade 2 AOs for an extra RG and Wimby or for 2 more USO? |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:40 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw >>now, he compares favorably to those players because of the career grand slam
devastatingly sick NON-CALENDAR SLAM neg |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:43 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field if it's not the grand slam i don't care when he won them.
holding all the majors is a huge deal though. that's why RG was his most important title. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:06 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan taking a 4 to 3 majors hit on you're resume is pretty extreme. would have to be a mega eSPSn shill/jacket fetishist to try to sell that deal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281190) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:09 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw why is 4 vs 3 extreme? do you think els' 4 majors are so much better than vijay's 3?
either way, imo 3 vs 4 puts you among the best of your era. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:19 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan either way you don't get a cgs. why give up a qtr of sucess achieving the ultimate objective every season (winning a major) for a lay fetishized/espn hyped piece of laundry? 17 golfers have topped out with 3 career majors, goes down to 9 with 4. big difference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281244) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:27 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw is the latter group more highly regarded than the former group?
lots of old names, but among recent names...
4: floyd, els, rory
3: spiettth, vijay, irwin, payne stewart, larry nelson, harrington, price
is the 4's group really greater on the goat scale than the 3's group? it's a smaller group, but is it a better group? i'm not so sure.
by comparison, here are the 5's: phil, seve
and the 6's: faldo and trevino
no 7's in a long time
8's are player and watson |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:29 PM Author: Glittery Sticky Market Legend 3 = 4. 5 is getting into inner circle territory though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281282) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:33 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw on this note, trevino won 6 majors -- never won a masters and 2 each at the other 3.
u think he'd trade two PGA's for a green jacket? fuck yes.
would he trade two PGA's and ONE of his US or british titles for a green jacket? probably not |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:35 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field I agree
Here's a hypo -- would Watson trade 1 British OR 1 Masters for a PGA?
Intuitively I say no. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:37 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw fuck no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281317) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:40 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field right -- and no one EVER brings up the fact that Watson doesn't have a PGA. it's literally never an issue. same with Palmer.
meanwhile trevino is probably underrated because he doesn't have a Masters. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:42 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw i dont think the career slam is as big of a deal in golf as it is in tennis. tennis has 4 historic venues and 3 different surfaces. 3 of the golf majors are at a hodge-podge of different venues. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281345) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:46 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field i agree with you, but a poaster in the official us open thread vehemently disagreed with that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281368) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:48 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw ljl at the list of courses that have hosted both a pga and usopen (below). i didnt realize it was that many. the pga is unfairly shit on. a major is a major. does it make a diff to win a pga at oakmont or a usopen at oakmont?
8 U.S. Open & 3 PGA Oakmont Country Club 6 U.S. Open & 3 PGA Oakland Hills Country Club 7 U.S. Open & 1 PGA Baltusrol Golf Club 3 U.S. Open & 4 PGA Southern Hills Country Club 3 U.S. Open & 3 PGA Oak Hill Country Club 4 U.S. Open & 2 PGA Inverness Club 5 U.S. Open & 1 PGA Winged Foot Golf Club Pebble Beach Golf Links 3 U.S. Open & 2 PGA Medinah #3 1 U.S. Open & 3 PGA Atlanta Athletic Club 2 U.S. Open & 2 PGA Olympia Fields Country Club Hazeltine National Golf CLub 3 U.S. Open & 1 PGA Cherry Hills Country Club Congressional Country Club 2 U.S. Open & 1 PGA Pinehurst Resort #2 Course Canterbury Golf Club 1 U.S. Open & 2 PGA Riviera Country Club 1 U.S. Open & 1 PGA Baltimore Country Club Inwood Country Club Fresh Meadow Country Club Bellerive Country Club Scioto Country Club
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:56 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field perception is important (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281441) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:57 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw people qualify golf majors by where they're at. a british open at st andrews is more prestigious than any other british open. that's really odd to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281452) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:00 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field i agree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281466) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 10:26 PM Author: Sinister Menage jfc you dont have a clue about golf. back in the 90s youd hear about palmer and watson being a PGA short of the grand slam all the time.
meanwhile trevino is hailed as an all time great by serious golfmos. "best ballstriker since hogan" or whatever. no one gives a shit he didnt play great at augusta |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 10:29 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field you don't have to be snarky. if you want to make the case do so.
were people saying that as a black mark on their careers? iow, winning a PGA would make way more of a difference than winning one of the other additional majors? if so, why? as DBG noted below, there is quite some overlap between the USO and the PGA in terms of course selection, so does it matter whether he wins the USO at oakmont or the PGA there? if yes, why? just the name on the trophy? |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 11:02 PM Author: Sinister Menage yes they did say that.
PGA was always the strongest field in golf. US and british opens had a ton more qualifiers in the field back then and they were shittier in quality being that they didnt have international qualifiers like now. |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 11:10 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field fair point.
if it was the strongest field why has it traditionally been considered the least desirable major? just a lack of tradition? |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 11:20 PM Author: Sinister Menage it was always less than the US open but otherwise it wasnt always less desirable.
shit changes. top players skipped the british all the time, even a few in the past couple decades.
the complete reverence for the masters by players is pretty new. before the billy payne era augusta got criticized all the time. look back to when they changed the greens to bent and doods were brutal that year. jack nicklaus still says the masters is actually lesser than the other majors because of the small field and says its not a true "championship" |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 12:48 AM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan excellent poast. it's always been my belief that the us open was considered the most prestigious/desirable/toughest-to-win american tournament until some pt in the 90s. the masters just started getting ncaa tourney level media treatment from cbs, then niger in '97, then espsn glomed onto it. the british has insane history, a storied trophy, and links golf is subjectively 180, but it just isn't cherished anymore |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 12:53 AM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw cr. i think all 3 are more or less equal and reasonable minds differ on which they'd prefer. i'd love to see ironside's player survey results tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36288662) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 12:57 AM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36288676) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 8:59 AM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field agreed, though i still think the perks for winning the US Open as compared to the others are much better.
Michael Campbell (2005 champ) hasn't played the USO since 2013. Meanwhile Ben Curtis can play the Open for another 19 years. So can Shaun Micheel at the PGA. You make a few cuts and that can be some nice cash, and it's probably fun to be an auto-entry at those tournaments every year. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:41 PM Author: Glittery Sticky Market Legend 2 pgas OFS. And if it's me I'd lean toward throwing in a uso or Brit. Masters is the goat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281343) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:43 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw but bumping him down from 6 majors to 4 majors puts him in a very different category on the ATG list (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281349) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:45 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field does it?
i think trevino is forgotten, in part because he doesn't have a masters. in fact, his best finish there is T10 twice. ouch.
trevino with 4 majors incl on each at masters, us, british probably has as much or even MORE cred than trevino today, no? |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:52 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw trevino is probably forgotten bc he's just not famous enough compared to nick price. prob has nothing to do w no masters.
no, i disagree w the last sentence. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:55 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field just about every player with 4+ majors in the modern era is mentioned more often than trevino. when is the last time trevino was mentioned during a major?
he's probably known more for lee trevino's fighting golf for NES |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:55 PM Author: Glittery Sticky Market Legend No way Nick Price is more famous than Trevino, even if just because of the cameos in Happy Gilmore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281437) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:49 PM Author: Glittery Sticky Market Legend You're right. 5 is a bigger leap from 4 than 4 from 3. Fuck. Ok, I guess I'd take 5 with no masters one 4 with a masters. Dammit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281386) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:30 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan give up being 1 away from 5 (for an active player) for a jacket? nah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281292) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:34 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw the hypo assumes this is all they will win in their career breh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281310) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:36 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan yeah i'd want a masters in that case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281313) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:23 PM Author: Glittery Sticky Market Legend Green jacket, easily. PGA is a fucking joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281260) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:34 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field what makes it a joke? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281308) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:40 PM Author: Glittery Sticky Market Legend Stupid name, no cool schtick or history like the others, and nobody fucking cares about it. Objectively it may be just as prestigious as the others but perceptually not even close. It's like the Australian open in tennis, they can call it a major if they want but it's decidedly the shittiest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281330) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:41 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281342) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:45 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan (doesn't do tennis) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281361) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:47 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field nah come on
Muguruza (RG, W) >> Azarenka (2 AO) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:49 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw because of the W. 2 AO >>> 2 RG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281393) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:51 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field while i begrudgingly agree that W is the most prestigious, again it's the combination of a fast surface (W or USO) with RG that is very prestigious.
and USO is without a doubt more prestigious than the AO, and that's doubly true for an American.
so yes the W alone makes it better, but W with RG is the ideal combo. i can't believe you'd disagree with that. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:55 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan yet Swiss Miss (AO,AO,AO,W,USO) >>>>>>>> Masha (AO,FO,FO,W,USO) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281435) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:00 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field Masha is overshadowed by Serena.
Hingis was the best player of her 5 year era and probably should have won more majors than she did. she also retired in 2003 at age 22. she is better than Masha.
she also has 209 weeks at #1 compared to 21 weeks for Masha
Masha is probably more famous to lay people though
but Hingis would 100000000% trade one of her AO for an RG. i also think a huge knock on Hingis that she has a paltry 2 majors away from Australia. that's pretty bad. but her early retirement undoubtedly cost her a few majors |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:03 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw the "probably should have won more majors than she did" is a slippery slope. should we rate andre and phil higher on the ATG list for the same reason?
>>but Hingis would 100000000% trade one of her AO for an RG
ONE of them, and no more. only bc RG only exists to complete the boxed set |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:04 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan MFCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281486) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:14 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field i just meant that she was a more talented player than her number of majors suggests.
i feel that way about other players too: evert, connors, agassi, borg, seles, lendl to name a few.
Hingis had the game and has the secondary statistics of a player who won more like 7-10 majors. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:18 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw but isn't that sport, no?
agassi and lendl were chokers to an extent. borg quit in his prime. hingis had a short career bc she burnt out. seles was stabbed and was never the same afterwards.
evert and connors? a somewhat different category. probably won less than they should due to being in tough eras. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:21 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field it is, but you can't just look at one data point.
Hingis has a lot of other stats that are better than Masha, and that's with her retiring from singles at age 22 as well.
so she's kind of a bad example for the relative prestige of the AO
but even at that, i kind of cringe at the fact that given how good her career was from 16-22 that she has only 2 majors outside of Australia. that's historically bad for a player of her caliber.
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connors and evert are underrated because they were basically playing 3 majors a year for their whole career -- and only 2 a year because of WTT in some peak years. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:51 PM Author: Glittery Sticky Market Legend I don't know much about tennis although I always take part in dbg's tennis major hypo threads. Wimbledon is the Masters of tennis, uso easily second best, and after that it's a long way down to French and AO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281397) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:52 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan okay you can stay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281407) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:54 PM Author: Glittery Sticky Market Legend Tyty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281421) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:55 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field lmao you faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281434) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:41 PM Author: laughsome new version wow you follow all the boring sports not just tennis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281341) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:43 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan baseball and the country club sports...and hs volleyball are the only cr sports (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281352) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 8:47 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan very interesting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281376) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:23 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field great fucking thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36281580) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 11:27 AM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field Can we revisit the point in this thread regarding the list of players who won 4, 5, and 6 majors?
Here is the list (omitting the really ancient players):
6: Trevino, Faldo
5: Mickelson, Seve, Byron Nelson, Peter Thomson
4: Els, Floyd, McIlroy, Bobby Locke
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Is there really a gigantic difference among this group? I'm not seeing it. |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw and here are the 3's:
3: spiettth, vijay, irwin, payne stewart, larry nelson, harrington, price
not much difference between them either |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 11:32 AM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field I'd say you have some weaker ones there in Nelson, Stewart, Harrington (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36284142) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:49 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw stewart had a bit of a choker rep and "could" have won more, plus he died the year he won a major.
paddy, yes, he's a weak one. peaked at the exact right time in a transitional era.
nelson i dunno enough about |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 3:57 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field we've talked about how there's more of a tournament hierarchy in tennis as opposed to golf, so i think tournaments won is a better indicator of golf prowess, whereas majors won is better in tennis (at least at the top).
so when comparing these guys, you can kinda rank them by tournaments won and then adjust based on majors.
for payne, 11 wins with 3 of them being majors strikes me as pretty fair. not sure he should have won 5 or 6 majors.
Phil at 43 wins and 5 majors clearly has left some majors on the course. i really view him as an 8 major type player |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:10 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan -we've talked about how there's more of a tournament hierarchy in tennis as opposed to golf, so i think tournaments won is a better indicator of golf prowess, whereas majors won is better in tennis (at least at the top).- agree. there's a fundamental difference that seems to get lost comparing the two. tennisers play each other, golfers play the course. you don't play defense against your golf opponent. so coming out on top after 7 rds of a tennis slam just means more than having the lowest 72 hole golf score on a given major course. |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:13 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw cr. there's literally no difference between the golf majors and the other big tourneys where all the top players play in terms of the performance required to win it. there's a huge difference between a tennis slam and a masters 1000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36286043) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:15 PM Author: soul-stirring olive persian coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36286054) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:16 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field idk if there's literally no difference, but there is far less of a difference
also, winning ANY PGA tournament is much more important than winning a tennis tournament. period. i think any win on the PGA tour nets you at least $1M and it also gets you a 2 year exemption on tour. that is HUGE.
i actually wish tennis would do something similar. the PGA tour is much much better run than the ATP tour |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:19 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw how is there any difference if it's the same field? it's all 72-hole medal play on a golf course? majors arent inherently harder, other than the us open in years when they make the course to target an even par winner.
would you want tennis where every tourney is a huge deal? dont we like the shitty 250's to give the n00bs a chance to win something? it's easier for n00bs to win any given golf tourney. |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:23 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field 1. they are pretty close, but guys are all trying their absolute best at majors, and the pressure at the Open is different than the pressure at the BMW
2. Guys can't play every tourney. i agree we want lower level guys to succeed. 250s should give them more success. 250 points and a $90k check is like nothing. |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:29 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw 1. true, at least for the top guys. the pressure at any tourney is huge for any guy who hasn't won much.
2. yes, the prize money is sps. 250 points is reasonable for a small tourney i think. there's 2-3 250's in most weeks, whereas there's only one pga tour event a week. would u want them all rolled to one? |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:31 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field no there should be multiple.
but i think the ATP tour should have a card system where guys who qualify get access to some # of events and get a guaranteed stipend + health benefits every year |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw prize money should just be higher such that the top 100 can make a good living, and top 200 can make a living.
the ranking system is basically a card system. if you're top 100, you're getting into main draws at plenty of 250's.
ljl @ health benefits. sounds like some shitlib sjw initiative. seems too complicated to administer. u have to buy tiafoe health insurance in sierra leone? do they even have it?
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:41 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field yes, but the rolling ranking system can put a ton of pressure on 1 event. imo if you are top 100 in a season you should have 1 year where the stress is a bit lower. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36286208) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw does it matter whether you're about to lose your pga tour card at the last event of the year vs about to take a huge rankings drop 1 year after a victory? isnt it the same pressure either way? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36286213) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:45 PM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field perhaps.
idk, something needs to be done. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 1:15 AM Author: Metal provocative cumskin crackhouse The green jacket, easily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36288720) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:01 AM Author: Thirsty floppy heaven you are always doing these gay ass threads and you don't even like golf. yea, I would take the jacket. PGA is a good tournament but it never has been able to define itself the way other majors have. they did back when it was match play but they were correct to get away from that. they need to create some kind of niche to differentiate from the us open (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36289414) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:03 AM Author: Pearl vibrant circlehead mexican august the worst sports month they win by default (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36289426) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:05 AM Author: Thirsty floppy heaven July and june also suck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36289436) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:06 AM Author: Obsidian Adventurous Field june is possibly the single best sports month of the year. there is something for everybody (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36289438) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:08 AM Author: Pearl vibrant circlehead mexican wimbeldon, the premiere tennis tournament and british open (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36289448) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:13 AM Author: Thirsty floppy heaven tennis doesn't count. British is 180 but it's the only thing going besides shitty baseball (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36289468) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:16 AM Author: Pearl vibrant circlehead mexican it lasts a fortnight. oh and august has the little league world series which is by far the worst sporting event of the year. august is so so terrible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36289480) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:18 AM Author: Thirsty floppy heaven july and august are also member guest season, so that occupies a few weeks for non-losers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36289485) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:24 AM Author: Thirsty floppy heaven yea man spending all day every day on twitter is much better. I'm literally being paid to poast now. are you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4004799&forum_id=2#36289515) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2018 10:34 AM Author: Harsh concupiscible space bbw wtf are u talking about that i don't like golf? i was about a 10 handicap in high school. (didnt play competitively bc tennis was enough.)
u seem really unhinged and angry on what is a chill sports thread. |
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