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LJL, I used to be pretentious as fuck in my 20's

Before I realized everything is flame. NOW I have the CR ans...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
You can have it all
dun razzle-dazzle address tattoo
  06/20/18
...
brilliant vivacious persian bawdyhouse
  06/20/18
...
Electric Coral Point
  06/21/18
...
Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship
  06/21/18
girls say i look better in person than in my pics. how do i ...
Flirting deer antler volcanic crater
  06/19/18
Don't. You don't want to be that guy who hires someone to ta...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
actually you most certainly want to be that guy that spends ...
shivering beady-eyed personal credit line space
  06/19/18
*Pradeep posts this on his dating profile* https://i.pini...
offensive bespoke potus
  06/19/18
my shoulders are wayy bigger
shivering beady-eyed personal credit line space
  06/19/18
Yea, listen to the Indian guy pretending to be black on the ...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
Fatceps or Watchmen?
Razzmatazz Cuckoldry
  06/20/18
Upgrading my pics drastically increased my matches and I *st...
Multi-colored blue hominid theatre
  06/19/18
stunning lack of self awareness RSF
marvelous translucent generalized bond
  06/19/18
What is the importance of ug prestige at a place like Brown ...
mind-boggling senate becky
  06/19/18
There is no importance to ug prestige anywhere outside of th...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
DESCRIBE your learning process
wine friendly grandma
  06/19/18
getting old just makes you realize everything is flame and y...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
...
Flirting deer antler volcanic crater
  06/19/18
...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
...
lascivious hairless knife
  06/19/18
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excitant nighttime stage ratface
  06/20/18
So now do you realize it doesn't matter whether or not someo...
pea-brained genital piercing area
  06/19/18
Rose Bar? ljllllllllll
marvelous translucent generalized bond
  06/19/18
guy is still MAF about a thread from 10+ years ago
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3553881&mc=43&am...
pea-brained genital piercing area
  06/20/18
LOL @ you being MAF about an XO thread from a decade ago. JF...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/20/18
more like still LOLing about you acting like a catty high sc...
pea-brained genital piercing area
  06/21/18
So still MAF about posts from a decade ago, got it
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/21/18
Would you like a detailed explanation of the proper way to d...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
yes
Soul-stirring Free-loading Turdskin
  06/19/18
In those younger years I was very pretentious about only goi...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
(Guy who got NOWAGed by Monsieur Damien at Raspoutine and ha...
Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship
  06/19/18
Omar*
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
I have ratfacedmans business card I can flash in case they t...
Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship
  06/19/18
We need to BALL OUT with RFM next time.
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
Crrrrr
Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship
  06/19/18
What line of work was RFM in?
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
Business development for “ ChronoTruck”
Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship
  06/19/18
Do those truckers need entertainment? Maybe we can work some...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
Hoping they can expand to lot lizard fleet management. Get s...
Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship
  06/19/18
BUSINESS IDEA
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
(guy who cared if his bro from out of town showed up "d...
Multi-colored blue hominid theatre
  06/19/18
Like, you wouldn’t want to subject your bro to showing up an...
Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship
  06/19/18
I didn't care, but you would have to consider it regarding i...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
Never had this problem to begin with.
Soul-stirring Free-loading Turdskin
  06/19/18
That bottle service loophole is big enough to drive a greek ...
Stirring anal jewess half-breed
  06/20/18
MFCRRRR LJL
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/20/18
What kind of woman should i marry.
Soul-stirring Free-loading Turdskin
  06/19/18
One who loves you and would do anything for you and that you...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/19/18
thank you
Soul-stirring Free-loading Turdskin
  06/19/18
this is the credited cr
Cruel-hearted Rebellious Weed Whacker
  06/20/18
Moar pretentious at their respective peaks, ROSE BAR or EMPL...
laughsome mischievous selfie
  06/20/18
Rose Bar and it's not even close.
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/20/18
What about your thoughts no that Ohio State med student who ...
Comical Ultramarine Legal Warrant
  06/20/18
Didnt they find her in a dumpster?
Stirring anal jewess half-breed
  06/20/18
link plz? Haven't heard about it.
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/20/18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqktBCMVlJ8 https://en.wi...
Comical Ultramarine Legal Warrant
  06/20/18
I have, it sucks. They demolished most of the old shitty col...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/21/18
when should a solo travelmo stop staying in hostels?
ivory library
  06/20/18
Honestly brother, only when you no longer enjoy staying in t...
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/20/18
LOL at anyone taking life advice from one of the most misera...
pea-brained genital piercing area
  06/21/18
...
Electric Coral Point
  06/21/18
Agreed, no one should take advice from you.
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/21/18
LJL, you haven't learned a thing. You just got outed and co...
Electric Coral Point
  06/21/18
Is today's meltdown going to go on all day TMF? LJL.
Adventurous mental disorder kitchen
  06/21/18


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Date: June 19th, 2018 12:55 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

Before I realized everything is flame. NOW I have the CR answers to everything, let me know what topics you need to be enlightened on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272072)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:45 AM
Author: dun razzle-dazzle address tattoo

You can have it all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276069)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:56 AM
Author: brilliant vivacious persian bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276126)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: Electric Coral Point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284365)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284776)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:04 PM
Author: Flirting deer antler volcanic crater

girls say i look better in person than in my pics. how do i remedy and bring both to parity?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272132)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:07 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

Don't. You don't want to be that guy who hires someone to take photos of them for a dating app. Surely you can find a handful of pictures of you doing something social where you look good enough. If this isn't a dating app centric question, then there's 100% nothing to be done, no reason to care.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272154)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:17 PM
Author: shivering beady-eyed personal credit line space

actually you most certainly want to be that guy that spends an extra hunnid bucks or two capture that parity. don't listen to the moron about finding a few candids. just commission your photographer to take a few candids of you and use that. it pays dividends bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272606)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:20 PM
Author: offensive bespoke potus

*Pradeep posts this on his dating profile*

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/3c/a0/123ca0195921fce235d74d33a4e93377.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272622)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:23 PM
Author: shivering beady-eyed personal credit line space

my shoulders are wayy bigger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272635)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

Yea, listen to the Indian guy pretending to be black on the internet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36273373)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:58 AM
Author: Razzmatazz Cuckoldry

Fatceps or Watchmen?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276134)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Multi-colored blue hominid theatre

Upgrading my pics drastically increased my matches and I *still* get told I'm better looking in person. Do the best that you can without taking "professional" photos.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274148)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:05 PM
Author: marvelous translucent generalized bond

stunning lack of self awareness RSF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272140)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:06 PM
Author: mind-boggling senate becky

What is the importance of ug prestige at a place like Brown or Vanderbilt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272148)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:09 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

There is no importance to ug prestige anywhere outside of that prestige helping you get into grad school or helping you gain employment during your first few years of your career.

Vanderbilt sounds like a way frattier and more 180 experience than attending Brown.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272163)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:07 PM
Author: wine friendly grandma

DESCRIBE your learning process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272153)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:09 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

getting old just makes you realize everything is flame and you should just do what you want and not give a fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272167)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: Flirting deer antler volcanic crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272181)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:22 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272269)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: lascivious hairless knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36273385)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: excitant nighttime stage ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277174)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: pea-brained genital piercing area

So now do you realize it doesn't matter whether or not someone can get in to Rose Bar?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272697)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:43 PM
Author: marvelous translucent generalized bond

Rose Bar? ljllllllllll

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272729)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

guy is still MAF about a thread from 10+ years ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36273510)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:22 AM
Author: pea-brained genital piercing area

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3553881&mc=43&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36275979)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

LOL @ you being MAF about an XO thread from a decade ago. JFC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277482)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: pea-brained genital piercing area

more like still LOLing about you acting like a catty high school girl in that thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284356)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

So still MAF about posts from a decade ago, got it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284384)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

Would you like a detailed explanation of the proper way to deal with going out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36273340)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Free-loading Turdskin

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274015)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:45 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

In those younger years I was very pretentious about only going to "ELITE" places. Now this was pre-dating apps, so it was partially justified since the best looking girls were clustered in these places, and my primary motivation for going out was to get laid. However, in a dating app world, there's almost no point in going to places like this, because you can swipe away and have your plans for the night sewn up before you even get dressed to go out. Why jump through hoops and pay $20 for a cocktail when those places no longer have a monopoly on DAT trim?

Going out to DA club in groups or to look for box can still be fun from time to time, but LJL at younger me looking down on going to "shitty" bars. Hanging out in dive bars with your friends and not having to worry about how many dudes are in your group or if your bro from out of town will show up dressed appropriately is very CR and a much chiller and easier way to spend the evening. Caring about what places someone frequents, or thinking frequenting certain bars is a badge of honor is complete flame. Also, unless someone else is paying, or it is a special occasion (bday, bachelor party, etc...) and the person being honored COMMANDS it, bottles should never be part of your evening with some very specific exceptions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274104)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship

(Guy who got NOWAGed by Monsieur Damien at Raspoutine and had to self-deport back to MFH)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274146)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

Omar*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274153)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship

I have ratfacedmans business card I can flash in case they try to kick me out next time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274161)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

We need to BALL OUT with RFM next time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274179)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:14 PM
Author: Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship

Crrrrr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274230)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:18 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

What line of work was RFM in?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274239)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:31 PM
Author: Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship

Business development for “ ChronoTruck”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274298)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:31 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

Do those truckers need entertainment? Maybe we can work something out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274300)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:33 PM
Author: Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship

Hoping they can expand to lot lizard fleet management. Get some GPS devices implanted in peterman and doobs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274310)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:35 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

BUSINESS IDEA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274318)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:58 PM
Author: Multi-colored blue hominid theatre

(guy who cared if his bro from out of town showed up "dressed appropriately")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274159)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: Very Tactful Corn Cake Cruise Ship

Like, you wouldn’t want to subject your bro to showing up and being turned away at the door. Which is the whole point of just going somewhere chill and not having to worry about that shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274174)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

I didn't care, but you would have to consider it regarding if you'd be able to go to the planned places, knowing that if they weren't dressed a certain way they wouldn't be let in, so you'd need to adjust where you were going to go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274176)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:29 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Free-loading Turdskin

Never had this problem to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274291)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 1:07 AM
Author: Stirring anal jewess half-breed

That bottle service loophole is big enough to drive a greek yacht through

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276164)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:59 AM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

MFCRRRR LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277132)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:45 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Free-loading Turdskin

What kind of woman should i marry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272737)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

One who loves you and would do anything for you and that you can not only stand being around all the time, but that you prefer being with to being without.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36273347)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Free-loading Turdskin

thank you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274014)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:56 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted Rebellious Weed Whacker

this is the credited cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276123)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:31 AM
Author: laughsome mischievous selfie

Moar pretentious at their respective peaks, ROSE BAR or EMPLOYEES ONLY?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276020)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:59 AM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

Rose Bar and it's not even close.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277134)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:33 AM
Author: Comical Ultramarine Legal Warrant

What about your thoughts no that Ohio State med student who "disappeared" at the ugly tuna?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276026)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 1:10 AM
Author: Stirring anal jewess half-breed

Didnt they find her in a dumpster?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276182)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:00 AM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

link plz? Haven't heard about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277136)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 11:44 PM
Author: Comical Ultramarine Legal Warrant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqktBCMVlJ8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Brian_Shaffer

bro you ever been to the ugly tuna?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36282413)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

I have, it sucks. They demolished most of the old shitty college bars to put up the fancy gateway shit. They are doing it all over campus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36283443)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:03 AM
Author: ivory library

when should a solo travelmo stop staying in hostels?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277153)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:05 AM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

Honestly brother, only when you no longer enjoy staying in them. I really don't think people judge other guests in any real way, and even if they do who give a fuck if you're comfortable, happy with your location and saving $?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277167)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: pea-brained genital piercing area

LOL at anyone taking life advice from one of the most miserable, unhappy, and unhinged people on this board

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284362)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: Electric Coral Point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284366)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

Agreed, no one should take advice from you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284388)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: Electric Coral Point

LJL, you haven't learned a thing. You just got outed and couldn't keep up your whole BS rich old money out of ivy league act. You are still massively pretentious and think you're better than everyone else even though you would be lucky to ever see 6 figures if daddy didn't hit it big. Other than being your dad's kid, you have never done anything remotely interesting or impressive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284501)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:21 PM
Author: Adventurous mental disorder kitchen

Is today's meltdown going to go on all day TMF? LJL.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284516)