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Trumpmos here, but we have to stop separating kids from their fams
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: smoky mind-boggling hunting ground Trump can do everything else the same, but all the people should be in the same facility and Trump should sincerely apologize. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272532) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: Slate Spot Voyeur "same facility" in Mexico. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273059) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: olive puppy bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273218) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:47 PM Author: titillating azn dilemma cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274374) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:12 PM Author: Bateful Jade Kitchen Mediation they already put them in the same facility together during the Obama years and libs freaked out that it was inhumane and NOT OK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273321) |
Date: June 19th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: crusty stead immigrant cr they all need to go back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272565) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: Motley hall legal warrant risten (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272576) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: pearl pontificating locus shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273067) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: lilac provocative associate what about american moms separated from their children when they are arrested and jailed pending trial?
why is there even an outrage about this? when women commit crime they get arrested and are separated from family. happens everyday in american courts |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: smoky mind-boggling hunting ground Whataboutism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272607) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:19 PM Author: Motley hall legal warrant you have no answer. you're a disingenuous hack lib who should killself. hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272610) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: smoky mind-boggling hunting ground I said Trumpmo here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272665) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:42 PM Author: Cowardly glittery sanctuary risten, chirr rong time trumpmo here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272728) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:39 PM Author: Brindle appetizing stage half-breed "Whataboutism."
It's a point of comparison that helps us contextualize the matter. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: Cerebral sweet tailpipe cruise ship Dat cancel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272794) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:21 PM Author: Galvanic low-t tanning salon What about Trump saying it was so unfair that Manafort had to stay in jail pending trial because he was tampering with witnesses in writing? How is it unfair to hold Manafort pending trial for CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES but fair to hold these detainees for a misdemeanor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272988) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: magenta marvelous house bbw He's a citizen, he hasn't been convicted of anything, we know who the fuck he is and where he lives, and he hasn't stolen anyone's identity.
What we DON'T know is who these witnesses supposedly are. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:06 PM Author: smoky mind-boggling hunting ground Whataboutism. We need to detain people prior to trial when they are likely to flea justice. But Trump still owes the American people an apology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273928) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:33 PM Author: Floppy yapping lodge child care obligations are routinely cited as a reason for leniency in sentencing. surely the logic applies to a crime that is punishable by a fine and no jail time, like jaywalking.
but yes you are correct, women accused of murder sometimes await trial in jail away from their minor children. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:37 PM Author: Slate Spot Voyeur State DSS agencies take children from their mothers all the time, sometimes for very little reason outside of the fact that they can. Sometimes they never give them back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273073) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: Floppy yapping lodge That's not true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273204) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: Slate Spot Voyeur I've defended over 550 dss cases in state court as a PD. What do you want to know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273211) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: Floppy yapping lodge first, it is 100% different. the inquiry is whether there is abuse or neglect and if it is in the child's best interest to be placed outside of their home. It is not punitive or a political tool.
Second, if there is a temporary removal of a child from a home, it's only after an investigation. If it is going to be permanent or there will be a termination of parental rights, it's after a full trial.
lol @ this absurd analogy. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:16 PM Author: Slate Spot Voyeur It is 100% the same. Mother is incarcerated or otherwise suspected of not being able to care for a minor child and DSS takes the child immediately, with this power only tempered by their obligation to have a probable cause hearing no later than 72 hours after removal. Judges friendly to DSS almost always find that there is probable cause. No different than Mom getting popped for illegal entry, although from the pictures it seems that these kids are in a far nicer, safer place than where American kids go to in state DSS custody.
As for getting the children back, state DSS agencies have a perverse financial incentive to (1) indicate a case for abuse (the number of indications is what their funding is based upon), (2) keep the child in a DSS run foster home (which DSS gets paid by the state by the child), and (3) DSS gets funding for their adoption departments based upon how many adoptions the do. Yes, there are safeguards, but these safeguards are only as good as the people who act in positions of authority, and it breaks down in cases. The people who comprise this system are almost all women, they are almost all very poor themselves, and some are prone to pursue petty grievance. It is a horrible, horrible system. further, it affects thousands of American families each year and disproportionately affects families of color and particularly Hispanic families.
I have seen kids get TPR'ed in cases that would boggle your mind.
But hey, let's all hold hands and emote over the plight of foreigners who are entering the country illegally. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: Slate Spot Voyeur But by all means tell me more about how DSS works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273388) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:30 PM Author: Floppy yapping lodge I'm happy to. You wrote 2 paragraphs with nothing in them. You didn't address the point that children are only removed for the purpose of protecting them from unfit parents. That's not the case here. It is a false equivalency whatever flaws you think the system has. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273440) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Slate Spot Voyeur Otherwise fit mother is detained in [county jail/ government immigration Nazi death camp]. Kid is taken care of by government until parents get out. Sometimes they cry.
Where is the disconnect here?
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: exhilarant gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273481) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: Floppy yapping lodge "otherwise fit" meaning aside from being a junkie and/or abusive? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273493) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:59 PM Author: Slate Spot Voyeur You're fighting it, but you I know understand the point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273603) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: yellow unhinged menage cr.
if these are all modular/tent style facilities anyways then (edit: "retrofit them to") just keep them together. doesn't really impair ability to deport imho.
unless this is all a way to get sessions out of the way; 8-D chess, etc. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: angry office Pretty sure libs will never accept keeping families together in detention facilities. The only thing good enough for them is release into the general public. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272679) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Bat shit crazy lay karate cr op is flame Libs don’t want anything but them to be allowed in |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:34 PM Author: Supple Theater Skinny Woman https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myth-vs-fact-dhs-zero-tolerance-policy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272686) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:38 PM Author: Cowardly glittery sanctuary "Criminal Prosecution – If an adult is referred for criminal prosecution, the adult will be transferred to U.S. Marshals Service custody and any children will be classified as an unaccompanied alien child and transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services custody."
They're prosecuting people trespassing as criminals, not in civil court, hence the separations. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone institution roommate Fuck off concern-troll CUCK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272696) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: Cowardly glittery sanctuary I agree mainly because using the kids as a pawn to discourage border crossings and get the wall done will not work, because:
1) The idea of separating kids from parents runs counter to American values.
2) It will be horrible optics for Trump
3) It will actually hurt families/kids unnecessarily.
4) It won't actually discourage border crossings.
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: exhilarant gaping Of course it will discourage border crossings with kids. This was a known loophole that people were taking advantage of to get into the US, and now that loophole is closed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272730) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: soggy chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272735) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: Cowardly glittery sanctuary Lol, let's watch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272743) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: razzle hyperactive new version wrong on all 4 counts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272732) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: soggy chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272736) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: Cowardly glittery sanctuary K, let's wait and see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272747) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: house-broken set corn cake K, we'll keep doing it and see the results over time. If it doesn't have the desired effect we will add other measures and obviously the wall is one that should be commenced immediately (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272835) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: Cowardly glittery sanctuary This policy needs to change. Republicans who care about family values are offended by this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272962) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:15 PM Author: grizzly electric prole family values at any cost? even the well being of your own children? which family comes first, sometimes you have to ask yourself that. heck not sometimes, every fucking day you dolt. your own comes first, btw. if you didnt know that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274231) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: khaki 180 idea he suggested corner lol at amerikkkan values at this point, wtf does that even mean when so many idiot racists can support a deranged moron like trump who shits on amerikkkan values every day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272766) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:47 PM Author: Lascivious location just stick little kids in a cage with criminal adults. nothing bad can/will happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272757) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: White duck-like space Tell us more about being a Trumpmo, Jogurt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272782) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:54 PM Author: Carnelian painfully honest resort legend Whats your solution other than letting them go free in the U.S.? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272810) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: Scarlet Windowlicker was expecting the "s" ending the OP to be continued as "-up brady, great to hear from you ..." in the thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272980) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 8:29 PM Author: excitant wagecucks really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274692) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: aphrodisiac circlehead We need to stop them from crossing the border in the first place. If we had a wall they would not even be here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273099) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:10 PM Author: smoky mind-boggling hunting ground Agreed that we need a wall. But Trump needs to apologize first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273954) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:17 PM Author: grizzly electric prole trump has never back down or apologyzed since he began his campaign. worked out alright, id say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274238) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:12 PM Author: Rebellious buck-toothed den Go back to Israel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274221) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:18 PM Author: wonderful azure kitty market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274242) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:26 PM Author: smoky mind-boggling hunting ground This should be a bannable offense. Reported. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274279) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:47 PM Author: Scarlet Windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274371) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:28 PM Author: adventurous candlestick maker double fault Hey RSF, what does this post smell like? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274289) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 11:58 PM Author: Costumed place of business ticket booth I’m completely supportive of the current policy, but I think it’s the wrong thing to do politically. The detrrent effect is likely insignificant, so as far as I can tell, the only effect it will have on immigration is that a higher number of illegals caught at the border will be detained until their removal proceeding. While this likely ensures that a higher percentage of illegals will be deported compared to previously, there are far better things to spend this much political capital on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36275863) |