Why can't we just dump the illegals in Puerto Rico?
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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Arousing deer antler station
Because they will come back without restrictions
Do the Australian solution and rent an island off Papua New Guinea
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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:32 PM Author: heady purple orchestra pit
Puerto Rico's destiny in not in their own hands in pretty much any way at all barring a series of unforeseen events happening all at the same time.
history helps here. Around 1948, Congress authorized Puerto Rico to draft a constitution that would regularize them and the point--driven by many liberals stateside especially Vito Marcantonio out of Brooklyn, a socialist--that was pretty much on all sides was "give Puerto Rico a pathway to independence." Especially being pushed by Marcantonio, the Congress has conversations throughout the Congressional Record in detail about why Puerto Rico should be an independent nation (culture, language, etc) and what the States would do to help them secure the same.
The people in Puerto Rico had the same essential idea that the Congress had--they were on a pathway to independence. However, there was 2 guys who were put in charge of drafting the Puerto Rican Constitution, Luis Ferrer and Luis Munoz Marin, who had other ideas. The basically generate the "estado libre asociado" status from whole cloth. They wanted basically "statehood plus". As you can see if you can from details in the Congressional Record from hearings of the Insular Committee on the status of Puerto Rico you see a slow shift of the 2 convincing Committee that what Puerto Ricans wanted was essentially "a special relationship" with the United States that they didn't anticipate. At the same time, newspaper reports on the island are getting intel from Ferrer and Marin that it's the US that wants this special relationship (that they had invented out of thin air). In short, the commonwealth was invited out of thin air in the minds of Marin and Ferrer and they convinced the two parties that they were the go-betweens for that the other side proposed it. And they successfully convinced both that not only was it the case that the status was the other's idea, but that it was a good idea. So in 1952, the PR Constitution was approved by the Congress except for one provision being taken out---a right to a public education--under the argument of "how can we guarantee a right that we do not provide for people stateside?". It was also ratified by the island in, iirc, 7/25/52. Don't quote me exactly on that.
Anyways.
That context helps you understand how Puerto Rican internal politics is shaped. Because not too soon after that, everyone realizes this is a bad situation for a variety of reasons. Puerto Rico benefits the USA in a variety of ways--mostly on the military side and as a conduit for shipping into Latin America. And the benefits of US citizenship being preserved (Ricans have been citizens since the Jones Act in 1917--it is cynically said so that they could serve in the wars). So the island political parties start to coalesce around 3 pillars. A statehood party (el partido nuevo progesista--the new progressive party which--ironically--is the conservative party), a commonwealth status quo party (los populares--the populists, the long time majority party that has elected most governors) and the always struggling independence party (el partido independista puertorriquena...long time head is a guy named Ruben Berrios who I think the bort would love that I can say I...uh...know very well...and will leave it at that).
The island parties, especially the two main ones, basically campaign on the same things over and over again. the first is whether or not there should be a binding plebecite on statehood. the other is financial restraint. you guessed it, the populares love government jobs, the pnp likes restraint. etc. the independistas, under Berrios, say that this is all fake news and have been saying it since 1979. because EVEN IF they decided to be a state, they would never be admitted into the union. for myriad reasons, he is right. the most despositive of which is that none of the smaller population states are going to dilute their own power by adding 2 senators and, at a population high, adding 6 and, in good times, even up to 10 new congressmen. especially when the allegiances of those delegates are so up in the air as there are no truly discernible democrat or republican parties. puerto ricans as a whole are fiscally irresponsible and socially conservative. they would likely SWING democrat, but all the LGBT and immigration friendly stuff would be a HUGE problem for them (yes, puerto ricans are not really keen on immigrants as well).
so statehood is out of the question. what about the commonwealth status? well that's the problem that has never really resolved itself since the constitution never truly contemplated a commonwealth status. you are either a territory where you exercise plenary power or a state. not this ne plus ultra status. the puerto rican status is likely unconstitutional when push comes to shove.
independence? this is likely the most viable change in status, but it has problems too. you are NEVER going to get the Puerto Rican people to accept it. "go...GO BE FREE!" no no no...this american citizenship still has tremendous value. as the current immigration crisis has shown. so it would have to be imposed on them from without. good luck with that. we couldnt get congress AND senate to agree on a coffee order LET ALONE on giving away an island. and, at the end of the day, land is the one thing they don't make more of. And you have the matter of all of those residents on the island and in diaspora being citizens. if they were not citizens, it may be a different matter, but i can't foresee a situation where a widespread independence movement arises that would make Ricans want to give away american citizenship. These are a people who have been told since the 70s that independence will turn them into Haiti or Cuba or some other third world place. you can't eat "freedom". if there was anything that WOULD HAVE convinced the people of independence it was the Hurricane. and that hasnt changed any opinions.
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