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The Treaty of Tripoli says that the U.S. was in no sense founded as Christian
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Date: June 21st, 2018 8:50 AM Author: Vibrant magenta sanctuary Was signed by President John Adams and ratified unamimously by the senate without debate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007087&forum_id=2#36283249) |
Date: June 21st, 2018 9:04 AM Author: Bull headed church As even a casual examination of the annotated translation of 1930 shows, the Barlow translation is at best a poor attempt at a paraphrase or summary of the sense of the Arabic; and even as such its defects throughout are obvious and glaring. Most extraordinary (and wholly unexplained) is the fact that Article 11 of the Barlow translation, with its famous phrase, "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion," does not exist at all. There is no Article 11. The Arabic text which is between Articles 10 and 12 is in form a letter, crude and flamboyant and withal quite unimportant, from the Dey of Algiers to the Pasha of Tripoli. How that script came to be written and to be regarded, as in the Barlow translation, as Article 11 of the treaty as there written, is a mystery and seemingly must remain so. Nothing in the diplomatic correspondence of the time throws any light whatever on the point
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796n.asp |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:06 AM Author: Supple tripping whorehouse OP please respond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007087&forum_id=2#36283298) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:06 AM Author: Bull headed church The odd thing is apparently the us Congress did adopt treaty that they thought contained article 11 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007087&forum_id=2#36283303) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:07 AM Author: Vibrant magenta sanctuary See below (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007087&forum_id=2#36283311) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:07 AM Author: Vibrant magenta sanctuary From Miller's note who wrote the above
"It is to be remembered that the Barlow translation is that which was submitted to the Senate (American State Papers, Foreign Relations, II, 18-19) and which is printed in the Statutes at Large and in treaty collections generally; it is that English text which in the United States has always been deemed the text of the treaty."
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However the Arabic and English texts differ, the Barlow translation (Article 11 included) was the text presented by the President and ratified unanimously in 1797 by the U.S. Senate following strict Constitutional procedures. |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:10 AM Author: Supple tripping whorehouse how is this material. the actual terms of the contract are controlling, not a fraudulent translation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007087&forum_id=2#36283321) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:12 AM Author: Vibrant magenta sanctuary Its not clear the translation was fraud but it was in the treaty submitted for ratification in English which was read and approved. The treaty is only 1 page long, would have been noticed and objected to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007087&forum_id=2#36283331) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:06 AM Author: Geriatric Institution Just heard cookie Roberts going on about this on NPR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007087&forum_id=2#36283302) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:09 AM Author: Vibrant magenta sanctuary Yea thats what I do. I listen to NPR and then post shit I hear when Im riding public transit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007087&forum_id=2#36283317) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:11 AM Author: Geriatric Institution This didn't need to be stated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007087&forum_id=2#36283327) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:12 AM Author: bateful friendly grandma locus ROFL
at this point killself is clearly the best option |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:14 AM Author: Vibrant magenta sanctuary Why dont you get the fuck off my dick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007087&forum_id=2#36283345) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:10 AM Author: hairraiser church building jewess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007087&forum_id=2#36283322) |