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Is abortion murder yes or no
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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:08 PM Author: purple psychic azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36314911) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:27 PM Author: exhilarant church headpube Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332121) |
Date: June 26th, 2018 8:08 PM Author: supple trust fund no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36314912) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:31 PM Author: purple psychic azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316243) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:33 PM Author: Vivacious Stubborn Therapy Theatre Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316258) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:34 PM Author: Gay pit sex offender Waste of time to argue about it
Should be legal first trimester then illegal after except when mothers life is at stake or deformities detected |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:34 PM Author: purple psychic azn non-responsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316271) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: Gay pit sex offender It's not a relevant label first trimester (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316277) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:44 PM Author: supple trust fund You're going to have a hard time convincing me that something that doesn't have and has never had consciousness is entitled to much more than pain avoidance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316339) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:45 PM Author: purple psychic azn what does consciousness have to do with it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316348) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:48 PM Author: supple trust fund Everything. You don't really care about the treatment of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus, do you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316369) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:49 PM Author: purple psychic azn dont answer my question with a question
what does consciousness have to do with it? |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:53 PM Author: supple trust fund Well, Lil' Socrates, it's necessary (but not sufficient) to the qualities that cause humans to be valued as humans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316413) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:15 AM Author: Carmine feces university except its still legally murder if you murk someone who is a vegetable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316809) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:36 PM Author: Mind-boggling Faggotry My outlook on this is tied to consciousness. Given what we know about fetal neurological development, a fetus likely achieves rudimentary consciousness sometime around 12 to 14 weeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331786) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:42 PM Author: supple trust fund "Rudimentary consciousness" sounds a lot like "not consciousness" to me in this context. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331834) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: appetizing internet-worthy principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331906) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:51 PM Author: Mind-boggling Faggotry Well, I'm not surprised in light of your demonstrated ability to conjure up opportunistic idiocy when necessary for your ridiculous lib positions. Regardless, you are a 180 poster, so I won't hold it against you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331917) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:56 PM Author: supple trust fund I'm a lib today? When I post about AA, IQ, SJWs, or illegal immigration, I get called a reptile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331951) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:58 PM Author: Mind-boggling Faggotry Bro, I didn't say you were a lib, only that you have ridiculous lib positions from time to time. It's okay, we all have our faults. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331965) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:34 PM Author: 180 black market macaca It should be legal until they're 9 years old. By age 9 you know if they're worth being alive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331773) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:34 PM Author: Snowy Really Tough Guy Potus Yes, but it's like eating animals. We don't kill the ones that we can see and that are cute and cuddly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316267) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: exciting drab indian lodge depends on the race of the baby (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316274) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: slimy useless brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316281) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:36 PM Author: Costumed brilliant son of senegal kitty cat it is what it is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316282) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:36 PM Author: stimulating bright rigpig No, it has the same moral implications as picking a scab. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316288) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: purple psychic azn why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316383) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: stimulating bright rigpig Fetus hasn’t developed consciousness & therefore has no “soul.” It’s human cells, but not an independent being, so killing it is of no consequence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316592) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:55 AM Author: pungent thriller whorehouse my scabs have consciousness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316730) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:02 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Impertinent Newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316765) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:04 AM Author: Laughsome plum area gunner At what point precisely do they develop consciousness, Dr. numbdood? Are they conscious the first three months out when they're wholly dependent blobs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316773) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:25 PM Author: stimulating bright rigpig Nope, likely much later in pregnancy. This is a relatively well researched point, e.g.: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331725) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:39 PM Author: Mind-boggling Faggotry That article appears to be playing semantic games with the definition of consciousness, applying a much more stringent definition than necessary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331809) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:56 PM Author: mustard shrine people who are hurt it's good enough and explains the point he alluded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331946) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:03 PM Author: Mind-boggling Faggotry The issue isn't whether it is good enough; it's whether the definition requires more than what is commonly understood to constitute consciousness, thus pushing back the timeframe for when consciousness is achieved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331995) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:01 PM Author: supple trust fund There's a really good chance that infants don't cross the threshold, but birth is a good pragmatic bright line. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331991) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:04 PM Author: Mind-boggling Faggotry If that's the case with your definition of consciousness, I would suggest your definition of consciousness is incorrect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332001) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:44 PM Author: unhinged godawful dog poop yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316343) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:49 PM Author: purple psychic azn why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316377) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:46 PM Author: infuriating box office hunting ground No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316354) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: purple psychic azn why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316380) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:32 PM Author: purple psychic azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331763) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:46 PM Author: Crusty Senate Goal In Life No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316355) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: purple psychic azn why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316381) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:26 AM Author: Hideous candlestick maker internal respiration Sure why not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316551) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:29 AM Author: Obsidian swashbuckling jew yes. with every single progress in tech as we get closer and closer to the source of the matter, you see what is obviously life from a heartbeat, so on. when abortion became legal, we didn't really know much about life in the womb. we might as well had been using the term quickening with the ridiculous trimester formulations that are arbitrary AF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316570) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: Obsidian swashbuckling jew remember, that the entire discourse was around the idea that tech advanced we'd plainly see "it's just cells" but they never thought about a heartbeat in week 6, etc. science advancing actually fucked the pro-abort argument in reverse. the more we know, the more it's obviously a life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316589) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: silver talented temple idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316631) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: hyperactive shaky place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316593) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:35 AM Author: Burgundy Water Buffalo Prole No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316620) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: razzmatazz pervert boistinker I think there's a point when abortion becomes morally wrong, and then separately, a point when abortion actually becomes murder. The former is probably around 5 weeks when the heart starts beating, and the latter around 24 weeks when the fetus would have a shot at surviving outside the womb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316637) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:56 AM Author: cerise beady-eyed mother (Rick Santorum) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316738) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:56 AM Author: cerise beady-eyed mother no and it should be promoted in conservative communities (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316734) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:57 AM Author: Laughsome plum area gunner Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316741) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:59 AM Author: cerise beady-eyed mother (xo2018) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316749) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: Laughsome plum area gunner I was on PR and thought the same then. I actually probably care less about this (and most things) at this point, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316754) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:59 AM Author: Vigorous incel is pulling the plug on a machine dependent vegetable murder? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316751) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: cerise beady-eyed mother if God tells Republicans it is (through a multimillionaire televangelist) then yes, it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316755) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: purple psychic azn really great contributions to this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316758) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: Laughsome plum area gunner In most cases no, but that's a poor analogy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316759) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:04 AM Author: Vigorous incel not a good analogy because it undermines my ideologically motivated illogical beliefs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316777) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:06 AM Author: Laughsome plum area gunner Time to go back to reddit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316784) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:08 AM Author: Vigorous incel dat dere uh "miscarriage" is a uhh...involuntary homicide! i say i say i do declare it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316794) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:15 AM Author: Laughsome plum area gunner That's ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316814) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:30 AM Author: Vigorous incel how often does god talk to you bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316870) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 2:11 AM Author: Laughsome plum area gunner He doesn't that I know of - I'm not a believer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316964) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 8:03 AM Author: exhilarant church headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333494) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: lascivious half-breed if i admit it's murder, can i also say that it's a type of murder you should be allowed to commit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316757) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 7:04 PM Author: supple trust fund Sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36323411) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:51 PM Author: appetizing internet-worthy principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331913) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:03 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Impertinent Newt Depends on the trimester and how feasible it is for the fetus to survive outside of the womb on its own
First trimester -no
Second trimester - maybe
Third trimester - yes |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:14 PM Author: Emerald cheese-eating house See Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332044) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:06 AM Author: Onyx galvanic regret it's a killing but not unlawful. you're defending yourself against that fetus that wants to take all your money and eventually bring black guys over to your house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316785) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:12 AM Author: infuriating box office hunting ground I can't believe it. We'r,e in agreement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316799) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:17 AM Author: metal chartreuse trump supporter forum Not always, but the average woman isn't capable of determining that; she's not smart enough to play God. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316823) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: Pea-brained adventurous address Yes. Babies born as early as 23 weeks have an astoundingly good chance of surviving now. If the baby can live outside the womb when you abort it, how is it anything but murder? I would still allow abortion in the first trimester, but after that you are a baby-killer in my mind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36323293) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:19 PM Author: purple psychic azn hmmm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331682) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:38 PM Author: supple trust fund I don't see how the hypothetical world or the state of technology matters.
If we're eventually able to clone a human in a lab, starting only with sperm cells, will jacking off be murder, too? |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:16 PM Author: Emerald cheese-eating house How much are you willing to personally contribute in taxes to makes sure this fetus has nutrition, education and prison? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332060) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 7:55 AM Author: exhilarant church headpube About as much as I’m currently contributing for 1/3rd of El Salvador to have these things dipshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333477) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:21 PM Author: Opaque Comical Dingle Berry Obviously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331695) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:29 PM Author: purple psychic azn Is aborting a one week old fetus an equal moral wrong to killing a person who has been born (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331745) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:44 PM Author: Opaque Comical Dingle Berry It probably doesn't show the same level of depravity, but I wouldn't consider them drastically different in moral terms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331850) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: purple psychic azn If a girl aborted your child what would you do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331864) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:12 PM Author: Opaque Comical Dingle Berry Regard her as a murderer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332037) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:48 PM Author: supple trust fund Tell me why I should care about a one-week-old fetus (because I don't, not even a little).
Edit: For comparison, a fetus is about 32 cells at four weeks. |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:14 PM Author: Opaque Comical Dingle Berry Because it's a human being an a person, duh. I don't think this is very complex. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332047) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 1:54 AM Author: supple trust fund Why should I care just because it's a human?
I, like the vast majority of people, don't care much at all about some humans (e.g., mass murdering terrorists). Some human lives are worth more than others.
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Date: June 29th, 2018 2:03 AM Author: Opaque Comical Dingle Berry A correctly ordered human conscience assigns moral worth to persons unless they forfeit it by some means. If you only value human lives because they have explicit value to you, then it's because you have a defective conscience and view people as means to an end rather than ends in themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333117) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 2:06 AM Author: supple trust fund I don't accept human and person as being synonymous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333130) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:26 PM Author: stirring lay who cares? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331729) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:28 PM Author: purple psychic azn Not your mom who tried to abort you but botched the job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331739) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:33 PM Author: stirring lay oooooooh good one! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331767) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:34 PM Author: purple psychic azn Thank you for the compliment of good one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331776) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:37 PM Author: stirring lay go back to africa you fucking salsa spook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331801) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:40 PM Author: purple psychic azn Say that to my face (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331817) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:33 PM Author: 180 black market macaca why does it matter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331770) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:36 PM Author: spectacular lilac corn cake rigor Not if it's before viability. Otherwise every jerkoff session is murder, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331795) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:32 PM Author: cream stead pozpig (catholic theologian) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332147) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: slap-happy green public bath Justifiable homicide (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331866) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:23 PM Author: curious twinkling deer antler Morally, it's obviously despicable. Practically, it's difficult to argue it's not a net positive for society. |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 8:04 AM Author: Harsh fear-inspiring stag film roast beef no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333497) |