Would you encourage your kids to strive
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Date: June 29th, 2018 10:23 AM Author: up-to-no-good point trust fund
If I had kids my biggest goal would be teaching them how to be tall, low-inhibition, and confident.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36334151)
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Date: June 29th, 2018 10:40 AM Author: Disrespectful Floppy Son Of Senegal
ITT: a bunch of non-parents. In reality/non-Tiger parent scenarios, it will depend on the kid. If your kid is a fucking beast on the cello or really personable or natural STEM oriented and talented when they’re old enough to attempt to master some more conplex stuff (say ages 11-14), you help to cultivate the thing they are good at and love to do. When they try something and suck at it you help them to learn from that. You are also up front with them about them having to learn about money and household finances. Then when they’re in high school you make it clear what it will take to reach certain outcomes and you regularly prompt them to think about their life goals (including most importantly “do you want to get married and have kids?”) and what it will take to get there. The point of this process is for them to arrive at a goal for a first career that matches the expected outcomes of the path they choose and to give them the tools and self-confidence to make their way from there. Then you help them to remember to regularly check back in and reassess that picture they have in their head of their desired future.
The lazy, stupid mistake that boomer parents made was saying “just go to a good school and get good grades” which isn’t a way to teach a kid any skills about how to find their path through GC that minimizes chances of various shitty outcomes. You end up with people like most of this bort who go to law school or whatever because they are intimidated by the thought of finding a job they might like more and working hard because they like it and are good at it, proving themselves and building confidence, and changing things up if they don’t work. That’s the way to avoid raising robots who are terrified of failure, so they try to find paths like law school and med school where credentialism can get them most of the way to financial security, and they just have to not be an outlier in terms of poor performance to fuck it up. In an ideal world I also make enough money to be able to give my kids a bit of seed money if they get to be experts in some field and want to start their own business.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36334296) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: blue mad cow disease preventive strike
Actually it’s you who has fallen for the boomer scam that more effort and paying for a good education means better results. Making it takes a lot of luck and connections. It’s pretty random. More than half of my graduating law school class would be considered failures under your definition and an even higher proportion of my college class. If those people can’t make it, who can.
I’d rather my kids take it easy in life and enjoy themselves rather than kill themselves working hard only to realize that their efforts are mostly for naught.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36336024)
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Date: June 29th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: fragrant dull indirect expression liquid oxygen
"Actually it’s you who has fallen for the boomer scam that more effort and paying for a good education means better results."
No, that's common sense. And the way you know it isn't a Boomer scam is because a) that has always been true, and b) it isn't just true in the US. OTOH, this whole "you don't need to try to be successful, just find YOURSELF, mommy and daddy will protect you with their money" nonsense is new, Boomertastic BS.
"Making it takes a lot of luck and connections. It’s pretty random."
It isn't random. When good jobs see better schools, grades and other prestige signals on a resume they react in a "non-random" way.
"More than half of my graduating law school class would be considered failures under your definition and an even higher proportion of my college class"
I question this since this isn't even true at my LS, which is a mere 7-14, instead of your HYS. Further, do you want to compare to your average third or fourth tier LS?
"If those people can’t make it, who can."
To the extent some "don't make it", plenty are not making it because mommy and daddy are footing the bill so there's little incentive to do so. I know several IRL examples off the top of my head.
"I’d rather my kids take it easy in life and enjoy themselves rather than kill themselves working hard only to realize that their efforts are mostly for naught."
I disagree. I pushed hard and my wife pushed hard, which is why we're doing well. I know that if we didn't because we could rely on mommy and daddy's money that we would both have ended up with absolute SPS careers. That isn't a good thing and we would be different people with less drive and success. I want to pass that drive on to my kids. Part of that is knowing that while we'll support them in their efforts, if they fail that failure is on them and they will live with it. We won't bail them out, so if they want to keep living well, they will need to succeed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36336103) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: fragrant dull indirect expression liquid oxygen
"In what fantasy world do you live in where better education and more effort leads to better results?"
What world do you live in that it doesn't? You and I are perfect examples of this. I don't for a second think that without my credentials that I would have a decent job.
"That worked when schooling was cheap, you could stay in a company for decades and retire with a fat pension and live the good life in your 4br house that cost $80k."
Those aren't necessary for the statement to be true at all. If you work hard, get good grades, get into a good school, study something useful, then you're very likely to do much better than someone who is a loser and sucks at school and either goes to a shit school, no school or majors in BS.
"I highly doubt I could even get into an Ivy League school if I applied now as opposed to 20 years ago"
Yet, you would get into a decent school, could have gotten decent grades, could have gotten on a good path that would have resulted in good pay. I attended good schools but not as good and ended up with a solid result (though, I focused on a more STEM-oriented path which is easier).
"It is no longer a given that the generation below you will do better than the previous generation."
Of course not, but where you end up within the next generation depends on the same factors as before, even if that next generation is poorer overall (which, it will be).
"I’m perfectly happy with my kids relying on mommy and daddy giving them a decent life (so long as they’re not totally aimless, ungrateful shits)"
Look around and think about this statement. What do you actually see? Yep, they're always ungrateful shits beyond what they have to say to you to keep the money flowing. To others, they are arrogant assholes because they started on third base.
"There is no point in my striving if my children don’t reap the benefits of it and have less pressure and more happiness"
I also disagree. You live a good life in an expensive area which you couldn't afford without your salary. Also, if they do strive they still benefit tremendously from having parents that can pay for their education and get them started in life. That isn't the same as telling them not to strive at all.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36336231) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: fragrant dull indirect expression liquid oxygen
Somehow, I survived without "blowing my brains out" or having mental breakdowns. Of course, balance in all things is good.
"Kids that are smart will do well for themselves regardless of whether they attend Princeton or Georgia Tech. There is no good reason to encourage wasting money or emotional wellbeing on shit like that."
They don't have to go to HYP, but yes, of course school ranking matters. And we all know this since not too long ago all of us were obsessing about it (and for good reason).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36336396) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: hot aqua shrine
"Striving to have a successful business is all about chasing $$$s."
I don't think that's true. I mean, obviously the business needs to be profitable to be sustainable (or at least well off enough to pay the owner/operators), but I know people who started bars/restaurants because they love beer and food, not because they think they'll get rich.
I could absolutely make a lot more money either by trying to expand my firm's business or by joining up with some other firm, but I don't want to. I enjoy the control over my own hours and the greater downtime despite making less $$$.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36336726) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 4:06 PM Author: fragrant dull indirect expression liquid oxygen
It was just an example of why striving super hard and letting your child spend all his time traveling and on tinder/SA/whatever he is on is actually squandering the fruits of your labor. If you think about the generation that comes after, it is clear that this isn't a good long-term strategy.
"You really seem to have a warped perspective on the myriad ways in which people can live their lives without being insane grades/prestige/$$$ strivers."
I worked hard and succeeded, and I want my kids to do the same. I absolutely don't want them to walk away with the concept that because I worked hard and succeded that they don't have to.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36336514) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 4:28 PM Author: fragrant dull indirect expression liquid oxygen
Your ugrad? Shit.
Your law school? Shit.
Anything that isn't shit is 100% due to daddy's money.
Your single item of remote success is what, being a 1st year somewhere once upon a time (which I did too, and no, wasn't "fired for incompetence" though I wonder if you were).
"If I needed the $, I would have stayed at my job, since I quit, and didn’t get fired like you (since you’re an idiot)"
A convenient story since you're a compulsive liar on here, but there's no way in hell you would succeeded in biglaw since you're dumb and lazy all at the same time.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36336723)
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Date: June 29th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: 180 bat-shit-crazy stead
So let’s see while I spent college playing sports, joining a frat and generally having an awesome time, you spent it locked in the library being a weird incel superstud geek, all so you could go to a LS ranked 10 spots better.
Then in LS while I skipped class and partied and went on trips, you continued to be a weird incel geek sitting at home superstudying. All so I could get a job paying more $ than you. On top of that, you then got FIRED for being DUMB as FUCK and worked for basically minimum wage for a decade and you somehow think this was a good outcome for you?
LOL. Sounds like you put in 100x the effort to just get BLOWN OUT at every step.
As for “dumb and lazy,” only ONE of us got SHITCANNED, so looks like a certain slav midget PROLE is projecting. LJL
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36336752) |
Date: June 29th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: blue mad cow disease preventive strike
Nah, you can’t really teach someone to strive. You either are born with the gene or not. I would like for them to not be lazy and unfocused layabouts though. Hopefully with their parents as examples and the environment they’re in, they won’t be. I will encourage them to pursue something they’re good at and interested in. How much money and education they get are not that important.
Plus I’m going to make sure they live a comfortable life without having to strive anyway but they just won’t know it until they’re like in their 30s once they’ve proven that theyre not completely useless. If they’re major fuckups, it’ll just go to other kids in the family who aren’t.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36335288) |
Date: June 29th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: Orange corn cake locus
*sees subthread wasteland between TMF and RSF*
*scrolls down*
*sees subthread wasteland between TMF and nutella*
*alt-f4*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36336746) |
Date: June 29th, 2018 5:05 PM Author: exhilarant range laser beams
No. Striving, at its base, is about doing what is necessary to best position yourself for the next step in some ludicrous itinerary for life. Focusing one's efforts on gaming the system for sole purpose of powering up to the next level creates horrible, empty people.
I will do everything in my power to instill in my kids the importance of applying themselves fully to whatever task is at hand, whether that is schoolwork, sports, or mowing the yard. The same principle goes for their relationships with the people in their lives.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36336919) |
Date: June 29th, 2018 5:10 PM Author: chrome house private investor
striving is OK - conspicuous striving is the problem
one must achieve a certain striver sprezzatura
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4013456&forum_id=2#36336937) |
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