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Date: July 3rd, 2018 5:31 PM Author: Razzle up-to-no-good center
Not unreasonable.
I always look for a few things:
1. Do they have OSU, UW, PSU as the top?
2. Do they respect Michigan but not take the media hype? Tier 2 is justified.
3. Appropriate respect for MSU but like Michigan, not too much.
4. Northwestern > Nebraska
This meets it
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Date: July 3rd, 2018 5:45 PM Author: Razzle up-to-no-good center
Holy shit. Dude. Right now Nebraska is way below in recruiting rankings. I don't think they have been in the past. But it's a catch-22 because if they were highly ranked, it has not shown up on the field.
Wisconsin and Nebraska have had a close game. Edit: 2. But I can't sit here and let that one slide. Wisconsin has ASS RAPED Nebraska, like program-defining-face-fucks-to-the-core in a way most national programs almost never see, multiple times since 2012. You cannot seriously do the "they've played it close" card. Even last year, a close game throughout, Wisconsin ended up winning fairly easily in the 4th IIRC.
You conclude by doing exactly what I say Nebraska fans do: always next year. It was the same shit with Riley. Same shit when they joined the Big Ten. Fine, maybe this time will be different. But until they get to Indy, I can't be bothered,.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36359151) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2018 5:59 PM Author: Haunting vermilion mad cow disease brunch
Rankings at this time of year are irrelevant because they factor in total number of recruits committed. Nebraska will more than double the number of recruits they have signed by the end of the cycle and finish with a top-25 class as they almost always do.
NU actually beat Wisconsin the first time they played them in 2012. NU lost in overtime in Madison in 2016 and on a last-second field goal in 2015. The 2017 game was 24-17 going into the fourth. There is a lot of randomness in football. I don't think they are miles ahead of Nebraska.
Nebraska is recruiting tons and tons of speed at the skill positions. Wisconsin is going to have trouble defending against Frost's offense with the type of skill position players they are recruiting. To be fair, Nebraska's defense will likely struggle to stop Wisconsin's offense too. I think Wisconsin-Nebraska will become one of the most interesting rivalries in CFB.
Nebraska has always been one coach away from being NEBRASKA again. They nearly hired Gary Patterson instead of Bo Pelini and Kyle Whittingham instead of Mike Riley. If they make those calls instead, the past 10+ years of NU football looks very different. They finally have the right coach.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36359258) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2018 6:11 PM Author: Haunting vermilion mad cow disease brunch
Oh Wisconsin has owned Nebraska for sure. Nebraska is 1-6 against them, including three of the most humiliating defeats in Nebraska history. Your view is fair.
I will say there is no comparison between Frost and Riley Most people hated the Riley hire and he was on the hot seat entering last year despite a 9 win season in 2016 and a top-10 recruiting class at the time. Frost will be lucky to get to a bowl game this year, but the rebuild won't take long.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36359345)
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Date: July 3rd, 2018 6:47 PM Author: Irate kitchen
Fuck NO. The record is 4-8. Nebraska has shut out Wisonsin (once) as often as the reverse.
The only numbers that matter are NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. 5-0.
http://www.winsipedia.com/nebraska/vs/wisconsin
Look at the program records at the bottom. The only measure Wisconsin has going for them is Bowl Record (because they go to easy bowl games).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36359586) |
Date: July 3rd, 2018 6:27 PM Author: Irate kitchen
This is a really dumb ranking.
Wisconsin with a score of 239 (TIED with OSU) LOL. What a fucking shitty poll.
The only reasonable ranking has OSU at the top well above any other B10 teams. Next tier is PSU, UM, MSU, WISC. PSU might be at tier 1.5 but they're so inconsistent that it's safer to lump them in with the rest of tier 2.
The next tier is harder to gauge because Nebraska has a new coach. In the longer term, NU could join tier 2 but in the mean time likely to be tier 3 or 4 depending on how well the current players adjust to the system.
The rest of the teams are literally TTT.
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Date: July 10th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: Haunting vermilion mad cow disease brunch
Yeah, I understand the reasons - new FR QB, new systems, toughest schedule in the country. However, I still wouldn't put many of the teams he ranked ahead of Nebraska.
Also, how relevant are the stats from last year relevant given all the changes? You can only extrapolate so much (outside the defense was awful).
https://www.landof10.com/nebraska/nebraska-football-2018-schedule-toughest-scott-frost
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36399233) |
Date: July 10th, 2018 6:07 PM Author: hairless national
Hey Huskerfags, can you explain why your program currently would appeal to 18 year old blue chip recruits when countless other programs have comparable resources, TV exposure, and success since the current crop of recruits stopped shitting their pants? Any explanation that doesn't immediately address how your program will overcome the fact that it is located in Lincoln, Nebraska (and doesn't enjoy the comparative advantages, referenced above, that it once had) will be ignored by me and everyone else who isn't a faggot fan of your faggot program.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36400173)
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Date: July 10th, 2018 7:23 PM Author: Hairraiser hissy fit newt
Also (1) Scott Frost's staff are excellent talent evaluators and (2) the Oregon system was never predicated on top 10 recruiting classes, but on fit--Oregon never recruiting at an elite level during their heyday.
20. OREGON
Ranks last 5 years: 18, 28, 17, 23, 22 -- 21.6
Judge Farrell: ACHIEVED. Like Notre Dame, things went off the rails last season, but before that Oregon was 33-8 and made a run at the national title.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36400747)
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Date: July 10th, 2018 7:40 PM Author: hairless national
Not even slightly perturbed, brother.
Here's the problem with your and Thunder Collins' analysis: contrary to the general trend in almost all other aspects of modern life, CFB recruiting is becoming more and more local, with TV access (and TV money) no longer being reserved for a select few programs. Given the demographic realities faced by Nebraska (as well as other programs in locations with similar demographics), it is a practical certainty that Nebraska will never come close to experiencing the level of sustained success that remotely rivals what it once enjoyed, at least while the current CFB environment is maintained. If a program is not in within driving distance of a decent amount of shade on this map, it has no hope of ascending to the ultimate heights of CFB success:
https://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/atlas/censr01-106.pdf#page=4
Now, if you are arguing that Nebraska can be a damn fine program, frequently finishing in the T25, every couple of years a T10 finish, and if their lucky stars line up absolutely perfectly, an outside shot at the national championship, sure that is a real possibility, but if you and Thunder Collins admit that reflects your expectations, you two would be the first Nebraska fans ever to admit that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36400859) |
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Date: July 10th, 2018 8:00 PM Author: hairless national
I was giving you mad props for not playing the "elite tradition" card, but you couldn't resist. I honestly believe that 18 year old kids today don't give a fuck about Nebraska's tradition.
"[T]hey essentially become a Midwestern version of peak Oregon"
There is one glaring distinction between Nebraska and Oregon even the heroic Scott Frost can't change: the distance from Lincoln, Nebraska to California.
"They finished 22nd in the country in recruiting in February and have the hottest coach in CFB. Do you actually think their recruiting is going to get worse?"
I said they will frequently finish in the T25, didn't I?
"They have elite facilities"
Nebraska has facilities and general resources that are comparable to 50+ programs. The days of Nebraska being able to distinguish itself in this manner are over.
"90,000 people in the stands every week."
But will the recruit's parents be in the stands?
"Everything they need to recruit in the top 15-20 range every year they have. If you are recruiting to a system, that is enough."
This gets down to the fundamental issue. What inherent quality does the Nebraska program posses that will allow it to out perform the thirty-ish programs with comparable resources, almost all of which are located in places with significantly better demographics?
EDIT: If you Nebraska fans are arguing that there are no inherent qualities of the Nebraska program that will contribute significantly to it outperforming institutions with similar resources located in areas with much better demographics, and instead, you are placing all of your hopes and dreams in Scott Frost, more power to you. Again, the Nebraska fans ITT who admit this will likely be the first to admit to such blasphemy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36401023)
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Date: July 10th, 2018 8:13 PM Author: Haunting vermilion mad cow disease brunch
1) When I read what recruits say about Nebraska, almost all of them mention they are a "big time" school and talk about their tradition and national championships. It surprises me that they care about it too actually, but many seem to find it appealing.
2) No, they aren't close to California, but have had no trouble signing elite athletes from California. And they are a lot closer to Florida and Texas - where Nebraska has pulled in a ton of athletes. Nebraska already recruits at the same level as peak Oregon.
3) They have top-15 facilities, many recruits claim they blow away what they have seen elsewhere.
https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/Ranking-the-Top-25-facilities-in-college-football-for-2018-112072412/#112072412_10
4) It is cheaper than ever to fly and easier than ever to watch your kids on TV every week. This is a limiting factor, but not much of one. Why will it all of a sudden start killing Nebraska's recruiting, when it hasn't hurt them thus far?
5) The biggest inherent quality they have is Scott Frost and his play-calling ability, ability to develop elite QBs, and offensive system. That and their brand name is their edge. Tons of kids will want to play for him and Nebraska will have a brand identity. They also have smaller edges in strength and conditioning (one of the best strength coaches in the country), their walk-on program and other areas. Few P5 schools consistently develop walk-on players into strong contributors like Wisconsin currently does and Nebraska used to do.
The Achilles heel of Nebraska, if they end up having one, is their defense. They may not be able to recruit at the level they need to put an elite defense. Not sold on their DC. Nebraska needs to have a top 15-20 defense consistently to win big and I don't know if they can do it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36401138) |
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Date: July 10th, 2018 8:31 PM Author: hairless national
"They also have smaller edges in strength and conditioning (one of the best strength coaches in the country), their walk-on program and other areas. Few P5 schools consistently develop walk-on players into strong contributors like Wisconsin currently does and Nebraska used to do."
This is simply not true anymore. The days of schools having noteworthy advantages in S&C relative to the rest of the pack are over. Knowledge (and resources) are simply to widespread now for programs to realize a huge advantage. S&C, however, can be a liability for the relatively few programs that go off the rails in this department.
"It is cheaper than ever to fly and easier than ever to watch your kids on TV every week. This is a limiting factor, but not much of one. Why will it all of a sudden start killing Nebraska's recruiting, when it hasn't hurt them thus far?"
The cost of tickets for an individual is not the issue. The concern for recruits is ease of access to their hometown, both for parents attending games and especially for the recruits to be able to easily return home during the holidays and during the summer for long weekends. CFB players must remain on campus during the summer for training. As such, if they can't drive home, they will hardly ever be able to return home during the summer.
"They have top-15 facilities, many recruits claim they blow away what they have seen elsewhere."
That ranking is a joke. You have to know that. The truth is that practically all of the top 50 programs have comparable facilities or very soon will have comparable facilities with the new round of TV deals.
"No, they aren't close to California, but have had no trouble signing elite athletes from California. And they are a lot closer to Florida and Texas - where Nebraska has pulled in a ton of athletes. Nebraska already recruits at the same level as peak Oregon."
Of course they can pull recruits from these areas, but not at the same rate and quality of programs located closer to those areas, such as Oklahoma.
"When I read what recruits say about Nebraska, almost all of them mention they are a "big time" school and talk about their tradition and national championships."
That's because it is easy for a dumb kid to say this. I am very confident that if all else is equal between two programs in the eyes of recruit with the exception of the competing programs' history (bordering on ancient history for Nebraska) of success proximity to their home, they will choose the closer school 9 times out of 10.
"The biggest inherent quality they have is Scott Frost and his play-calling ability and offensive system"
If this is what you are pinning your hopes and dreams for Nebraska on, fair enough. A coach at the CFB level absolutely can make this much of a difference. Just don't claim that Nebraska has a god given right to contend for the national championship like most Nebraska fans claim. To be fair, you have done a good job avoiding this position for the most part.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36401261) |
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Date: July 10th, 2018 10:23 PM Author: hairless national
"I never said Nebraska should play for NC because they are NEBRASKA. They need an elite coach to win big and now they have one."
And I am sure you can appreciate that this makes you one of the most reasonable Husker fans on the internet.
I am also sure you appreciate that if Frost turns out to be that unique of a talent as a HC, he will be leaving Nebraska at some point during the next 3 to 7 years, right?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36402048)
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Date: July 10th, 2018 10:36 PM Author: Haunting vermilion mad cow disease brunch
Scott Frost is from Nebraska, played for Nebraska, and considers Nebraska to be his dream job. When he retired from the NFL, he moved back to Nebraska. Why would he go anywhere else if he wins here? He could have gone to Florida, Oregon, or Florida State this year. What other school would possibly hold more appeal to him?
Does this sound like a guy that views NU as a stepping stone?
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/Board/105415/Contents/Scott-Frosts-thoughts-12-years-ago-108854835
I love Nebraska football.
I love the state of Nebraska.
I long for the days when the characteristics of the team we put on the field on Saturdays exemplified the characteristics of the hard working people of our state.
We used to have the Taj mahal of college football programs. Now it feels like someone took 40 tons of dynamite to our proud and noble masterpiece and built a three bedroom ranch in its place.
I’m not saying all of these things to be malicious or overly critical of anyone, but when it comes to a state institution, people have the right to be judgmental. I just want to share my opinions with all of the Husker fans out there who care as much about the program as I do.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36402139)
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Date: July 10th, 2018 10:47 PM Author: hairless national
"Why would he go anywhere else if he wins here?"
The NFL during an intermediatr period of time.
If he goes 5 years without sniffing a NC but enjoying success, Alabama, Texas, USC, Clemson &etc. If Frost is Catholic . . . . .
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36402209) |
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Date: July 11th, 2018 1:57 AM Author: Haunting vermilion mad cow disease brunch
This is a guy that is from Nebraska that grew up as a child hanging out on Nebraska's campus, played at Nebraska, coached at Nebraska, has called Nebraska his dream job since he started coaching, has all his family and most of his friends in Nebraska, moved to Nebraska after he retired from the NFL and vacationed in Nebraska while a coach at other schools. He works with his best friends, has a $35m contract, complete control of his program, and essentially doesn't have to answer to any boosters or a hostile media like in the South.
You think this is a guy that is going to say, you know what, I don't care if I am viewed as a traitor in Nebraska for the rest of my life, I think I will go to Texas for a little more money (which Nebraska would match anyway).The boosters down there seem patient and I am sure not having any ties to the state will be NBD. Not going to happen.
Nebraska fans are beaten down and will give him a LONG time to get the ship turned. A lot of people think if he can't fix it, no one can. They might be right.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36403094) |
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Date: July 10th, 2018 7:54 PM Author: Haunting vermilion mad cow disease brunch
Frost is following TO's blueprint.
https://twitter.com/Ian_A_Boyd/status/956616772618158083
Some evaluators of the time had Nebraska consistently recruiting at a 10-25 type level with occasional top 10 classes such as in 95 and 96. Other evaluators, or Max Emfinger in particular, had his classes ranking in the top 10 more often. If we take a consensus of the different rankings we have a Nebraska that probably is borderline at best in terms of their roster or two-deep meeting the “blue-chip ratio.” Osborne himself seems to feel that while they did compete nationally they relied heavily on local kids or undervalued players.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36400955) |
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Date: July 10th, 2018 10:31 PM Author: hairless national
"Osborne himself seems to feel that while they did compete nationally they relied heavily on local kids or undervalued players."
This is precisely my point. All CFB programs need to rely on local kids, and in the modern era, Nebraska's local kids can't compete with the local kids from other regions, perhaps moreso now than ever when it comes to teams outside of the perennial top 5. All the S&C in the world can't can't change that fact, now that parity in S&C, more or less, has been achieved.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4017070&forum_id=2#36402101)
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