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should the U.S. recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea?

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Mainlining the secret truth of the universe
  07/08/18
it's crazy and wrong that it ever transferred into the ulkra...
HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  07/08/18
it wasnt weird at all. it was silly to try and administer th...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
I love how libs talk about our RESPECT internationally fall ...
gibberish
  07/08/18
yeah obviously.
,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.
  07/08/18
explain?
Mainlining the secret truth of the universe
  07/08/18
Borders arenít static and itís really up to the people of Cr...
Insane right-wing gun nut
  07/08/18
Not even Ukraine claims that most Crimeans want to go back t...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
Literally no one in Ukraine wants to actually live in Ukrain...
ARE Reptile
  07/08/18
To be fair, that's why so many have left.
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
And they should keep leaving until only the Red Army is left...
ARE Reptile
  07/08/18
Okay, just gonna add Mexico as next state
Bart O'Kavanaugh
  07/09/18
Mexico would love this. And Spanish would become the offici...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
there was literally a referendum in crimea on how to proceed...
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  07/08/18
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ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
Cr. Say what you will about Putin, but heís a stickler for ...
Belisarius
  07/09/18
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Dupa
  07/09/18
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Sir Incelot
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empathy incarnate
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"'""'"'''''''
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ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
cr
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  07/09/18
Doesn't matter. You Yankee swine and what army are going to ...
ARE Reptile
  07/08/18
crimea has been russian territory longer than most US states...
anglican lawyer
  07/08/18
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ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
wrong
Dupa
  07/08/18
crimea was added to the russian empire in 1783, and even bef...
anglican lawyer
  07/08/18
tcr
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
so? it was transferred to ukraine in 1954.
Dupa
  07/08/18
At a time when Ukraine and Russia were part of the same coun...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
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HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  07/08/18
explain how this makes it ďmeaningless?Ē and considering ...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
It makes it meaningless because it has no effect. Transferr...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
Russia doing something at the peak of its power: bad Russ...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
"Russia doing something at the peak of its power: bad&q...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
Do we have to send Alaska back?
~~(>' ' )>
  07/08/18
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea In 1783, Crimea beca...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
transferred to ukraine and then invaded militarily. i do...
Dupa
  07/08/18
See above. A transfer when it is part of the same country t...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
bizarre rationale. i suppose russia then would be justified ...
Dupa
  07/08/18
Like the other poster said, that's sort of a separate questi...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
When the soviet union fell, Ukraine declared independence wi...
Dupa
  07/08/18
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Mainlining the secret truth of the universe
  07/08/18
The fall of the USSR was a total clusterfuck but obviously t...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
just move the goalposts why dont you. now a country can jus...
Dupa
  07/08/18
Uh, residents certainly can change their minds, especially i...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
Your argument would make some sense if what happened was an ...
Dupa
  07/09/18
Again, not even Ukraine doubts that most want to be part of ...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
nonresponsive. victory declared. gonna pack it up for the ni...
Dupa
  07/09/18
Look, if this is what you need to get sex from your wife ton...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
if i tell her i've spent hours online defending ukraine to a...
Dupa
  07/09/18
Look bro, I hope I made it happen for you.
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
we made love. ty.
Dupa
  07/09/18
im going to argue my point with you later (if i can write it...
anglican lawyer
  07/09/18
i'm in
Dupa
  07/09/18
No way. it's a trump card for the future invasion of vodkast...
(:{|}
  07/08/18
Just do invade the largest nuclear power on the planet, bro.
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
Nucler war scare is overrated
(:{|}
  07/08/18
Underrated, actually.
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
NO
(:{|}
  07/09/18
YES
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
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Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman
  07/08/18
TCR. Russia will survive. Yankeestan won't.
ARE Reptile
  07/08/18
500,000 Russian soldiers died fighting British and French sw...
ARE Reptile
  07/08/18
Not enough vodka swine dead
(:{|}
  07/08/18
Fuck off. I own property around NYC and I'd like it not to ...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
Why? Small price to pay for Soviet glory.
ARE Reptile
  07/08/18
No way. Collective Russian wealth will plummet if NYC and M...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
Small price to pay for the eternal glory of the empire.
ARE Reptile
  07/08/18
Not really, no.
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
not everything is about a few marginal dollars, dude
HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  07/08/18
Most human struggle is about that, yes.
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
no
Dupa
  07/08/18
(King George)
Insane right-wing gun nut
  07/08/18
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ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
Depends what we get in return.
Zuiikin English
  07/08/18
You get to continue living without a Topol-M exploding over ...
ARE Reptile
  07/08/18
CR
longwangpoontang
  07/08/18
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  07/08/18
I'm sure Trump will have his pick of land for a new hotel
corporate slave posting from a bathroom
  07/09/18
No. Germans should retake Kaliningrad and see what these Rus...
solace and wallace
  07/08/18
But Berlin is such a lovely city and it would be a shame if ...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/08/18
(true patriot advocating for a US enemy to destroy a US ally...
Dupa
  07/08/18
Merkel turned Germany against American and towards CHINA Ke...
HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  07/08/18
I'm advocating the opposite. Ergo, invading Russia is a bad ...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
no, you're just advocating for Russia (or at least what you ...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
1. I don't think nuclear war is in anyone's interests. Seri...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
so we have to sign on to Crimea being officially a part of R...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
Link to anyone suggesting this? Follow along. Here's what ...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
Kaliningrad being a part of Russia is meaningless and German...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
Invading Russia is going to result in nukes being used. Tha...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
if Russians would use nukes over Kaliningrad then you guys a...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
They 100% would. In fact, they have nukes stationed there, ...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
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HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  07/08/18
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longwangpoontang
  07/09/18
No because FUCK RUSSIA literally everything russia wants,...
Boehner wearing Kavanaugh mask, crying losing HOAP
  07/09/18
friend i will kill do not say
anglican lawyer
  07/09/18
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ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
lol at this retarded neocon shit
a den of proles
  07/09/18
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ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
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flip flop prole in first class
  07/09/18
Lmao, not for at least 30-40 years. russia is acting like th...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
"they have nothing to offer us that would make us chang...
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  07/09/18
go ahead and list what they have to offer us, George Kennan
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
sure, off the top of my head - lots of things to be trade...
..,.,.,,,...,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,,
  07/09/18
Lmao, you dumb cuck. for allowing them to invade a great US ...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
LOL @ Ukraine as a "great US ally." Like Israel t...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
Ukraine is of massive strategic importance, and they fought ...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
So did Syria, for that matter. I'm not talking about joinin...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
WAS a democracy Until the US sabotaged the will of the peop...
HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  07/09/18
I live here, and Iíve lived in Russia. Iím pretty sure my pe...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
US sabotage of democratic outcomes. Being there means you h...
HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  07/09/18
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..,.,.,,,...,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,,
  07/09/18
Iím sorry youíre a bootlicker, but democratic outcomes that ...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
I've lived in both Russia and Ukraine too. You're ridiculou...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
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If being pro western makes me ridiculously pro Ukrainian, th...
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
"If being pro western makes me ridiculously pro Ukraini...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
Iím sure Russia will be fine. Keep up the good work!
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18
The US has no strategic interest in Crimea at all. It is 90...
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  07/09/18
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HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  07/09/18
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ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/09/18
The Crimea is rightful Rus clay
libcrusher180
  07/09/18
so youíre saying it belongs to Kiev? Cool
empathy incarnate
  07/09/18


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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:12 PM
Author: Mainlining the secret truth of the universe (We Are The Goon Squad & We're Coming to Town. Beep beep!)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387875)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:15 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat

it's crazy and wrong that it ever transferred into the ulkraine to begin with (recent and weird political decision)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387893)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 11:59 AM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

it wasnt weird at all. it was silly to try and administer the region from russia proper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390932)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:17 PM
Author: gibberish

I love how libs talk about our RESPECT internationally fall since Obeezy, but lol at how Obama had his shit pushed in on everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387899)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:17 PM
Author: ,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.


yeah obviously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387902)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:18 PM
Author: Mainlining the secret truth of the universe (We Are The Goon Squad & We're Coming to Town. Beep beep!)

explain?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387904)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: Insane right-wing gun nut

Borders arenít static and itís really up to the people of Crimea do do something about it if they donít like it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387938)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Not even Ukraine claims that most Crimeans want to go back to Ukraine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387940)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM
Author: ARE Reptile

Literally no one in Ukraine wants to actually live in Ukraine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387961)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:28 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

To be fair, that's why so many have left.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387973)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:29 PM
Author: ARE Reptile

And they should keep leaving until only the Red Army is left in Ukraine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387979)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: Bart O'Kavanaugh (#Qanon)

Okay, just gonna add Mexico as next state

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391687)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:55 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Mexico would love this. And Spanish would become the official language overnight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391699)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:26 PM
Author: ,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.


there was literally a referendum in crimea on how to proceed, and they chose russia overwhelmingly. for the US to go against THAT is more than a bit absurd. it's not realistic that russia will ever give it up, which means that demanding they give it up is not a serious position, either - it's just an excuse by people with other agendas to force the US and russia to have permanently poor relations. since that's not actually in american interests, why do it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387960)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387965)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:21 AM
Author: Belisarius

Cr. Say what you will about Putin, but heís a stickler for free and fair elections

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389029)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:22 AM
Author: Dupa



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389037)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:25 AM
Author: Sir Incelot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389046)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390933)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: "'""'"'''''''




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390940)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:23 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387933)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: ..,,.,.;.,.,...,.,..:,,.,.,,..,.,..:.,.,:,.,,,


cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390893)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:18 PM
Author: ARE Reptile

Doesn't matter. You Yankee swine and what army are going to take it back?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UGhmaRuxuT8&ebc=ANyPxKqJWqI8U4lxj1h9sJ33bDhkF0pFRAWqOlAQ7aHBNw-dv7KdPqO-doJbdPDIrF0K2fl6jfq9jYT5QwsBVuN_u11FjB2hYQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387906)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:18 PM
Author: anglican lawyer

crimea has been russian territory longer than most US states have belonged to the union

ukraine's fate is arguable, but crimea is definitely russian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387907)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387939)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM
Author: Dupa

wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387966)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:33 PM
Author: anglican lawyer

crimea was added to the russian empire in 1783, and even before that it had partially been in russia's sphere of influence as the ottoman rule over the crimean khanate was tenuous at best through the 1650s through the 1700s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388005)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:37 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

tcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388021)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:39 PM
Author: Dupa

so? it was transferred to ukraine in 1954.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388038)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

At a time when Ukraine and Russia were part of the same country run from Moscow, so the transfer was meaningless. Regardless, the original point that you disagreed with was correct.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388092)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:47 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388097)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:40 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

explain how this makes it ďmeaningless?Ē

and considering the Budapest memorandum itís more correct to say that russiaís Signature on a document is whatís really meaningless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391543)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:44 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

It makes it meaningless because it has no effect. Transferring a territory from one part of the country to another in a country that isn't really federal in nature is purely symbolic. They never foresaw the collapse of the USSR and didn't plan for it.

I would say that the Budapest memo was basically Russia being coerced into signing a treaty at the moment of greatest weakness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391580)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:46 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

Russia doing something at the peak of its power: bad

Russia doing something at a moment of weakness: bad

listen just cuz your country is a fucktarded basketcase doesnít mean we have to acquiesce to your violent bullshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391600)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:49 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

"Russia doing something at the peak of its power: bad" - what is this referring to?

"listen just cuz your country is a fucktarded basketcase doesnít mean we have to acquiesce to your violent bullshit"

No one has to do anything, but there are smart things to do and dumb things to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391638)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:58 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

Do we have to send Alaska back?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388188)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:36 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea

In 1783, Crimea became a part of the Russian Empire as the result of the Russo-Turkish War (1768Ė1774). Following the Russian Revolution of 1917, Crimea became an autonomous republic within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in the USSR. During World War II, Crimea was downgraded to the Crimean Oblast and then, in 1954, it was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR from the Russian SFSR.[3]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388017)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: Dupa

transferred to ukraine and then invaded militarily.

i dont really care and certainly wouldn't be in favor of a US intervention or antything but if I'm asked to say whether it was right or wrong or if as a policy we should acquiesce to military invasions and a lack of respect for internationally acknowledged blrders, my answer is it was wronf and countries should not fear invasion based on a historical justification ex post facto.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388061)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:48 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

See above. A transfer when it is part of the same country that was purely symbolic is meaningless. it was inevitable that it would go back to Russia in the event of an Anti-Russian Ukrainian government (which, is exactly what happened).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388102)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: Dupa

bizarre rationale. i suppose russia then would be justified in invading the rest of ukraine since it was at one point part of the soviet union.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388139)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:55 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Like the other poster said, that's sort of a separate question. The point is that Crimea specifically was Russian territory for a very long time and was only given to Ukraine as a symbolic gesture. Most people there are Russian and wanted to be part of Russia. There's no sensible reason to have them be part of Ukraine.

I think Ukrainian nationalism is generally retarded, but I understand that other than Crimea and a few places like Donbass, most of Ukraine doesn't want to become a part of Russia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388165)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:59 PM
Author: Dupa

When the soviet union fell, Ukraine declared independence with 56% of crimea voting to be part of ukraine. these borders were acknowledged by the new russian state and international community. i dont care what historical rationale you use. invading a country >20 years after recognizing their borders is NOT OK. It had nothing to do with realizing the will of the crimean people and everything to do with retaliating against ukraine for wanting to adopt pro-west policies.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388206)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: Mainlining the secret truth of the universe (We Are The Goon Squad & We're Coming to Town. Beep beep!)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388260)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:03 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

The fall of the USSR was a total clusterfuck but obviously they have changed their mind since then. Explain why you think they're "stuck" and why borders can't change.

"It had nothing to do with realizing the will of the crimean people and everything to do with retaliating against ukraine for wanting to adopt pro-west policies."

Not mutually exclusive. Pro-Western and anti-Russian isn't automatically good and popular. In Crimea it obviously wasn't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388625)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: Dupa

just move the goalposts why dont you. now a country can just change it's mind as to another country's borders and decide to invade it. you've lost if this is now the road you want to go down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388743)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:04 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Uh, residents certainly can change their minds, especially if the country changed in nature as Ukraine did.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388943)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: Dupa

Your argument would make some sense if what happened was an organic movement inside crimea to secede from Ukraine and either declare independence or becomepart of russia. you know that's not what happened. putin deployed a sophisticated covert invasion of crimea then justified with a totally reliable "referendum" with 95% of crimeans backing the russian invasion.

You have an allegiance to russia so your view is skewed. if the Spaniards tried to reclaim florida with the acquiescence of the Floridians, I doubt you'd see it the same way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389001)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:45 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Again, not even Ukraine doubts that most want to be part of Russia and not Ukraine.

And you have ties to Ukraine and are against Russia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389128)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:48 AM
Author: Dupa

nonresponsive. victory declared. gonna pack it up for the night. take care.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389141)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:50 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Look, if this is what you need to get sex from your wife tonight then I understand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389151)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:52 AM
Author: Dupa

if i tell her i've spent hours online defending ukraine to a russian she MIGHT give me a blowjob.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389163)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:38 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Look bro, I hope I made it happen for you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391520)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:52 PM
Author: Dupa

we made love. ty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391676)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:33 PM
Author: anglican lawyer

im going to argue my point with you later (if i can write it out elegantly) so maybe she'll be up for round 2

hope that libido is fired up son

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391971)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: Dupa

i'm in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391977)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:18 PM
Author: (:{|}

No way. it's a trump card for the future invasion of vodkastan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387908)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:23 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Just do invade the largest nuclear power on the planet, bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387934)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:26 PM
Author: (:{|}

Nucler war scare is overrated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387956)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:26 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Underrated, actually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387959)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: (:{|}

NO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390524)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:34 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

YES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391489)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM
Author: Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman (Short Pride World Wide)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387962)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM
Author: ARE Reptile

TCR. Russia will survive. Yankeestan won't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387967)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: ARE Reptile

500,000 Russian soldiers died fighting British and French swine in Crimea. 250,000 died there fighting Nazis. A million will happily die there fighting Yankees. Bring it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387921)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: (:{|}

Not enough vodka swine dead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387925)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:29 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Fuck off. I own property around NYC and I'd like it not to be incinerated/radioactive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387981)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM
Author: ARE Reptile

Why? Small price to pay for Soviet glory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387988)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:32 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

No way. Collective Russian wealth will plummet if NYC and Maimi are vaporized.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387998)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:34 PM
Author: ARE Reptile

Small price to pay for the eternal glory of the empire.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388007)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:37 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Not really, no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388023)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:53 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat

not everything is about a few marginal dollars, dude

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388149)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:55 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Most human struggle is about that, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388170)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM
Author: Dupa

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387963)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:28 PM
Author: Insane right-wing gun nut

(King George)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387971)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:48 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388105)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: Zuiikin English

Depends what we get in return.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388133)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:53 PM
Author: ARE Reptile

You get to continue living without a Topol-M exploding over your city.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388151)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:58 PM
Author: longwangpoontang

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388194)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:56 PM
Author: ..,.,.,,,...,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,,




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388912)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:41 PM
Author: corporate slave posting from a bathroom

I'm sure Trump will have his pick of land for a new hotel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391552)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:03 PM
Author: solace and wallace

No. Germans should retake Kaliningrad and see what these Ruskie fucks have to say about historical ownership and territorial rights then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388632)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:11 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

But Berlin is such a lovely city and it would be a shame if it were a radioactive wasteland.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388668)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:28 PM
Author: Dupa

(true patriot advocating for a US enemy to destroy a US ally)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388748)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:53 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat

Merkel turned Germany against American and towards CHINA

Keep up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388898)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:04 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

I'm advocating the opposite. Ergo, invading Russia is a bad idea.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388944)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

no, you're just advocating for Russia (or at least what you narrowly define as being in their interests)

so glad you two retards wont be breeding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391037)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:35 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

1. I don't think nuclear war is in anyone's interests. Seriously.

2. We probably are. Sorry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391494)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:42 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

so we have to sign on to Crimea being officially a part of Russia or youíll start lobbing nukes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391558)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:45 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Link to anyone suggesting this? Follow along. Here's what started this conversation (it was about invading Russia, not recognizing Crimea as a part of Russia):

Date: July 8th, 2018 11:03 PM

Author: solace and wallace

No. Germans should retake Kaliningrad and see what these Ruskie fucks have to say about historical ownership and territorial rights then.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391594)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:48 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

Kaliningrad being a part of Russia is meaningless and Germany taking it back is justified, according to you

but because you support Russian interests you feel itís totally fine to threaten nuclear war over a simple irredentist act (well also because youíre a mongol)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391632)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:51 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

Invading Russia is going to result in nukes being used. That isn't a threat, that's a fact. Incidentally, a successful invasion of the US is also going to result in the US using nukes. Come to think of it, give me an example of a nuclear power that will accept defeat on its own soil without using nukes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391660)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:55 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

if Russians would use nukes over Kaliningrad then you guys are even dumber than I thought

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391696)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:58 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

They 100% would. In fact, they have nukes stationed there, iirc.

EDIT: Also Crimea. http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-deploying-tactical-nuclear-arms-in-crimea/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391724)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:55 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388907)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:18 PM
Author: longwangpoontang



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391028)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: Boehner wearing Kavanaugh mask, crying losing HOAP (playing with gay dog boners since 2013)

No because FUCK RUSSIA

literally everything russia wants, we should want the opposite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388979)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: anglican lawyer

friend i will kill

do not say

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388982)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388988)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:46 AM
Author: a den of proles

lol at this retarded neocon shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389132)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:47 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389137)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 10:52 AM
Author: flip flop prole in first class (ggtp)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390530)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

Lmao, not for at least 30-40 years. russia is acting like the mongols that they are and we should in no way encourage this behavior.

and they have nothing to offer us that would make us change our minds short of denuclearizing (which will never happen)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390946)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:15 PM
Author: ..,.,.,,,...,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,,


"they have nothing to offer us that would make us change our minds short of denuclearizing"

this is completely wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391013)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:17 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

go ahead and list what they have to offer us, George Kennan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391023)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:33 PM
Author: ..,.,.,,,...,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,,


sure, off the top of my head

- lots of things to be traded in syria

- russian support for iran can be traded

- trade with russia as a counter to trade with china can be traded

- lots of stuff around oil can be traded



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391110)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

Lmao, you dumb cuck. for allowing them to invade a great US ally and steal a huge chunk of land (not to mention shooting down a passenger place), you're willing to accept this pidly shit?

ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391124)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:37 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

LOL @ Ukraine as a "great US ally." Like Israel they just show up with their hands out and we fill those hands with cash. Their part of the bargain is that they take the cash and pay lip service to western democracy, while both doing a bunch of things that are a direct violation of that concept. If China invades the US tomorrow there will be zero Israelis and Ukrainians fighting beside US troops.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391507)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:44 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

Ukraine is of massive strategic importance, and they fought with US in Iraq

Ukraine is massively flawed but nobody denies itís a democracy. Maidan was a great democratic act that Russians donít have the brains or balls to pull off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391581)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:47 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

So did Syria, for that matter. I'm not talking about joining a turkey shoot in a quest to get more $$$s and support. I'm talking about getting invaded by a country with over a billion people that would be very bloody. They would absolutely avoid that.

It is such a wonderful democracy that saying a bunch of various shit or having banned books or movies or visiting the wrong place will land you in a jail cell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391621)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:54 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat

WAS a democracy

Until the US sabotaged the will of the people there

Are u really this fucking retarded to ignore chain of events and have ZERO perspective?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391695)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:57 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

I live here, and Iíve lived in Russia. Iím pretty sure my perspective is a lot more valid than yours

the people held massive protests and the former president ran away along with his imported Praetorian guard. lord know the US public would be well within its rights to do the same if governed by illegitimate criminals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391712)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:01 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat

US sabotage of democratic outcomes.

Being there means you have less access to non-propaganda information streams.

Speaking of, Ulkraine actually did intervene in our elections in a BIG way for Hillary. The Russian Facebook ads are comparatively tiny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391739)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: ..,.,.,,,...,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,,




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391769)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:31 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

Iím sorry youíre a bootlicker, but democratic outcomes that are bad ought to be corrected by any means. sure America assisted, but this was a homegrown movement

I donít speak Ukrainian or watch local news.

Iím aware of the Ukrainian interference, but like the Russian interference it doesnít surprise me because everyone is doing it across the world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391960)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:06 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

I've lived in both Russia and Ukraine too. You're ridiculously pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391761)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: ..,.,.,,,...,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,,




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391770)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:35 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

If being pro western makes me ridiculously pro Ukrainian, then so be it

Iím actually a Russophile, but I wanted what was best for Russia I would pretty much do the opposite of everything they have done for the last 5 years. the country is becoming very reactionary, which just means that the country will be repeating its history very soon. it all could have been avoided, but dimwitted Russians like you have sealed their fate. will be sad to see the Chinese eat your lunch (not to mention the southern problem getting worse) while you diddled around in shitty little Crimea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391988)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:53 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.

"If being pro western makes me ridiculously pro Ukrainian, then so be it"

Except that it isn't. Ukraine is bleeding money and people. This isn't to say they should have been "anti-Western" either. Just taken a smart middle road, which is what Yanukovich was attempting to do before yet another ridiculous color revolution. The disastrous results (which would be significantly worse but for handouts and loans that they have no ability to repay) are ignored in the name of Ukrainian nationalism. It is totally and utterly absurd.

"Iím actually a Russophile, but I wanted what was best for Russia I would pretty much do the opposite of everything they have done for the last 5 years"

Totally disagree. Russia is doing what it has to. IRL, it should never have been put in this position.

"the country is becoming very reactionary, which just means that the country will be repeating its history very soon"

I actually agree with the first part. But if they weren't provoked and the reactionary response wasn't triggered, then everyone would be better off. The second - I'm not sure what you think Russia is going to do. Assuming no one does anything else, I don't think they have some grand plan.

"it all could have been avoided, but dimwitted Russians like you have sealed their fate"

It could have been avoided by the West not supporting Chechnya, Georgia, Ukrainian nationalists, Syrian "moderate Islamist rebels" and adding former Soviet territories as NATO members.

"will be sad to see the Chinese eat your lunch"

Russia and China have a mutually beneficial relationship and they realize that there's pressure on both of them.

"not to mention the southern problem getting worse"

It has actually gotten better.

"while you diddled around in shitty little Crimea"

Russia simultaneously won in Crimea, E. Ukraine and Syria. All 3 conflicts have calmed down and nothing bad happened.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36392132)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 3:03 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

Iím sure Russia will be fine. Keep up the good work!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36392197)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:59 PM
Author: ..,.,.,,,...,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,,


The US has no strategic interest in Crimea at all. It is 90% Russian speakers & Russian ethnicity. We aren't talking about the rest of Ukraine. You are an enormous lib or neocon & are clearly not arguing in good faith.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391727)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:02 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391743)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36392390)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:39 PM
Author: libcrusher180

The Crimea is rightful Rus clay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391526)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: empathy incarnate (Pederastrian)

so youíre saying it belongs to Kiev?

Cool

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391993)