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should the U.S. recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea?
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:12 PM Author: crystalline milk tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387875) |
Date: July 8th, 2018 9:15 PM Author: Opaque vibrant affirmative action goyim it's crazy and wrong that it ever transferred into the ulkraine to begin with (recent and weird political decision) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387893) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 11:59 AM Author: Arousing ticket booth it wasnt weird at all. it was silly to try and administer the region from russia proper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390932) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:17 PM Author: Multi-colored disrespectful crackhouse I love how libs talk about our RESPECT internationally fall since Obeezy, but lol at how Obama had his shit pushed in on everything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387899) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:17 PM Author: soul-stirring jet-lagged plaza yeah obviously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387902) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:18 PM Author: crystalline milk tanning salon explain? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387904) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:24 PM Author: Sable useless brakes center Borders aren’t static and it’s really up to the people of Crimea do do something about it if they don’t like it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387938) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:24 PM Author: Mauve School Not even Ukraine claims that most Crimeans want to go back to Ukraine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387940) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: Abnormal mental disorder forum Literally no one in Ukraine wants to actually live in Ukraine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387961) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:28 PM Author: Mauve School To be fair, that's why so many have left. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387973) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:29 PM Author: Abnormal mental disorder forum And they should keep leaving until only the Red Army is left in Ukraine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387979) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: Stimulating haunted graveyard Okay, just gonna add Mexico as next state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391687) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: Mauve School Mexico would love this. And Spanish would become the official language overnight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391699) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:26 PM Author: soul-stirring jet-lagged plaza there was literally a referendum in crimea on how to proceed, and they chose russia overwhelmingly. for the US to go against THAT is more than a bit absurd. it's not realistic that russia will ever give it up, which means that demanding they give it up is not a serious position, either - it's just an excuse by people with other agendas to force the US and russia to have permanently poor relations. since that's not actually in american interests, why do it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387960) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: Mauve School (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387965) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:21 AM Author: khaki theater Cr. Say what you will about Putin, but he’s a stickler for free and fair elections (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389029) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:22 AM Author: Topaz odious piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389037) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:25 AM Author: Claret high-end hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389046) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:00 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390933) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:01 PM Author: Vivacious mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390940) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:23 PM Author: Mauve School (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387933) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: Aggressive Underhanded Gas Station Boltzmann cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390893) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:18 PM Author: Abnormal mental disorder forum Doesn't matter. You Yankee swine and what army are going to take it back?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UGhmaRuxuT8&ebc=ANyPxKqJWqI8U4lxj1h9sJ33bDhkF0pFRAWqOlAQ7aHBNw-dv7KdPqO-doJbdPDIrF0K2fl6jfq9jYT5QwsBVuN_u11FjB2hYQ |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:18 PM Author: Twisted navy nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387907) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:24 PM Author: Mauve School (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387939) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: Topaz odious piazza wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387966) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:33 PM Author: Twisted navy nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388005) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:37 PM Author: Mauve School tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388021) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:39 PM Author: Topaz odious piazza so? it was transferred to ukraine in 1954. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388038) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: Mauve School At a time when Ukraine and Russia were part of the same country run from Moscow, so the transfer was meaningless. Regardless, the original point that you disagreed with was correct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388092) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:47 PM Author: Opaque vibrant affirmative action goyim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388097) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth explain how this makes it “meaningless?”
and considering the Budapest memorandum it’s more correct to say that russia’s Signature on a document is what’s really meaningless |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:44 PM Author: Mauve School It makes it meaningless because it has no effect. Transferring a territory from one part of the country to another in a country that isn't really federal in nature is purely symbolic. They never foresaw the collapse of the USSR and didn't plan for it.
I would say that the Budapest memo was basically Russia being coerced into signing a treaty at the moment of greatest weakness. |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:46 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth Russia doing something at the peak of its power: bad
Russia doing something at a moment of weakness: bad
listen just cuz your country is a fucktarded basketcase doesn’t mean we have to acquiesce to your violent bullshit |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:49 PM Author: Mauve School "Russia doing something at the peak of its power: bad" - what is this referring to?
"listen just cuz your country is a fucktarded basketcase doesn’t mean we have to acquiesce to your violent bullshit"
No one has to do anything, but there are smart things to do and dumb things to do. |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:58 PM Author: Umber Stain Friendly Grandma Do we have to send Alaska back? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388188) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:36 PM Author: Mauve School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea
In 1783, Crimea became a part of the Russian Empire as the result of the Russo-Turkish War (1768–1774). Following the Russian Revolution of 1917, Crimea became an autonomous republic within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in the USSR. During World War II, Crimea was downgraded to the Crimean Oblast and then, in 1954, it was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR from the Russian SFSR.[3] |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:42 PM Author: Topaz odious piazza transferred to ukraine and then invaded militarily.
i dont really care and certainly wouldn't be in favor of a US intervention or antything but if I'm asked to say whether it was right or wrong or if as a policy we should acquiesce to military invasions and a lack of respect for internationally acknowledged blrders, my answer is it was wronf and countries should not fear invasion based on a historical justification ex post facto. |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:48 PM Author: Mauve School See above. A transfer when it is part of the same country that was purely symbolic is meaningless. it was inevitable that it would go back to Russia in the event of an Anti-Russian Ukrainian government (which, is exactly what happened). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388102) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:52 PM Author: Topaz odious piazza bizarre rationale. i suppose russia then would be justified in invading the rest of ukraine since it was at one point part of the soviet union. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388139) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:55 PM Author: Mauve School Like the other poster said, that's sort of a separate question. The point is that Crimea specifically was Russian territory for a very long time and was only given to Ukraine as a symbolic gesture. Most people there are Russian and wanted to be part of Russia. There's no sensible reason to have them be part of Ukraine.
I think Ukrainian nationalism is generally retarded, but I understand that other than Crimea and a few places like Donbass, most of Ukraine doesn't want to become a part of Russia. |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:59 PM Author: Topaz odious piazza When the soviet union fell, Ukraine declared independence with 56% of crimea voting to be part of ukraine. these borders were acknowledged by the new russian state and international community. i dont care what historical rationale you use. invading a country >20 years after recognizing their borders is NOT OK. It had nothing to do with realizing the will of the crimean people and everything to do with retaliating against ukraine for wanting to adopt pro-west policies.
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Date: July 8th, 2018 10:04 PM Author: crystalline milk tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388260) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:03 PM Author: Mauve School The fall of the USSR was a total clusterfuck but obviously they have changed their mind since then. Explain why you think they're "stuck" and why borders can't change.
"It had nothing to do with realizing the will of the crimean people and everything to do with retaliating against ukraine for wanting to adopt pro-west policies."
Not mutually exclusive. Pro-Western and anti-Russian isn't automatically good and popular. In Crimea it obviously wasn't. |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:27 PM Author: Topaz odious piazza just move the goalposts why dont you. now a country can just change it's mind as to another country's borders and decide to invade it. you've lost if this is now the road you want to go down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388743) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:04 AM Author: Mauve School Uh, residents certainly can change their minds, especially if the country changed in nature as Ukraine did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388943) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:16 AM Author: Topaz odious piazza Your argument would make some sense if what happened was an organic movement inside crimea to secede from Ukraine and either declare independence or becomepart of russia. you know that's not what happened. putin deployed a sophisticated covert invasion of crimea then justified with a totally reliable "referendum" with 95% of crimeans backing the russian invasion.
You have an allegiance to russia so your view is skewed. if the Spaniards tried to reclaim florida with the acquiescence of the Floridians, I doubt you'd see it the same way. |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:45 AM Author: Mauve School Again, not even Ukraine doubts that most want to be part of Russia and not Ukraine.
And you have ties to Ukraine and are against Russia. |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:48 AM Author: Topaz odious piazza nonresponsive. victory declared. gonna pack it up for the night. take care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389141) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:50 AM Author: Mauve School Look, if this is what you need to get sex from your wife tonight then I understand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389151) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:52 AM Author: Topaz odious piazza if i tell her i've spent hours online defending ukraine to a russian she MIGHT give me a blowjob. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389163) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:38 PM Author: Mauve School Look bro, I hope I made it happen for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391520) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: Topaz odious piazza we made love. ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391676) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:33 PM Author: Twisted navy nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391971) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:34 PM Author: Topaz odious piazza i'm in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391977) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:18 PM Author: Ungodly Church Building No way. it's a trump card for the future invasion of vodkastan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387908) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:23 PM Author: Mauve School Just do invade the largest nuclear power on the planet, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387934) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:26 PM Author: Ungodly Church Building Nucler war scare is overrated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387956) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:26 PM Author: Mauve School Underrated, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387959) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 10:51 AM Author: Ungodly Church Building NO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390524) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Mauve School YES (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391489) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: Canary dashing area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387962) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: Abnormal mental disorder forum TCR. Russia will survive. Yankeestan won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387967) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:21 PM Author: Abnormal mental disorder forum 500,000 Russian soldiers died fighting British and French swine in Crimea. 250,000 died there fighting Nazis. A million will happily die there fighting Yankees. Bring it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387921) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:21 PM Author: Ungodly Church Building Not enough vodka swine dead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387925) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:29 PM Author: Mauve School Fuck off. I own property around NYC and I'd like it not to be incinerated/radioactive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387981) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM Author: Abnormal mental disorder forum Why? Small price to pay for Soviet glory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387988) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:32 PM Author: Mauve School No way. Collective Russian wealth will plummet if NYC and Maimi are vaporized. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387998) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:34 PM Author: Abnormal mental disorder forum Small price to pay for the eternal glory of the empire. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388007) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:37 PM Author: Mauve School Not really, no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388023) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:53 PM Author: Opaque vibrant affirmative action goyim not everything is about a few marginal dollars, dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388149) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:55 PM Author: Mauve School Most human struggle is about that, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388170) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: Topaz odious piazza no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387963) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:28 PM Author: Sable useless brakes center (King George) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36387971) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:48 PM Author: Mauve School (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388105) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:52 PM Author: pearl aromatic principal's office Depends what we get in return. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388133) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:53 PM Author: Abnormal mental disorder forum You get to continue living without a Topol-M exploding over your city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388151) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:58 PM Author: Dull dysfunction preventive strike CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388194) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:56 PM Author: Kink-friendly maniacal toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388912) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:41 PM Author: adulterous prole station I'm sure Trump will have his pick of land for a new hotel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391552) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:03 PM Author: Appetizing Sick Business Firm Chad No. Germans should retake Kaliningrad and see what these Ruskie fucks have to say about historical ownership and territorial rights then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388632) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:11 PM Author: Mauve School But Berlin is such a lovely city and it would be a shame if it were a radioactive wasteland. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388668) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:28 PM Author: Topaz odious piazza (true patriot advocating for a US enemy to destroy a US ally) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388748) |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:53 PM Author: Opaque vibrant affirmative action goyim Merkel turned Germany against American and towards CHINA Keep up |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:04 AM Author: Mauve School I'm advocating the opposite. Ergo, invading Russia is a bad idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388944) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:19 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth no, you're just advocating for Russia (or at least what you narrowly define as being in their interests)
so glad you two retards wont be breeding |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Mauve School 1. I don't think nuclear war is in anyone's interests. Seriously.
2. We probably are. Sorry. |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:42 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth so we have to sign on to Crimea being officially a part of Russia or you’ll start lobbing nukes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391558) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: Mauve School Link to anyone suggesting this? Follow along. Here's what started this conversation (it was about invading Russia, not recognizing Crimea as a part of Russia):
Date: July 8th, 2018 11:03 PM Author: solace and wallace
No. Germans should retake Kaliningrad and see what these Ruskie fucks have to say about historical ownership and territorial rights then.
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:48 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth Kaliningrad being a part of Russia is meaningless and Germany taking it back is justified, according to you
but because you support Russian interests you feel it’s totally fine to threaten nuclear war over a simple irredentist act (well also because you’re a mongol) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:51 PM Author: Mauve School Invading Russia is going to result in nukes being used. That isn't a threat, that's a fact. Incidentally, a successful invasion of the US is also going to result in the US using nukes. Come to think of it, give me an example of a nuclear power that will accept defeat on its own soil without using nukes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391660) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth if Russians would use nukes over Kaliningrad then you guys are even dumber than I thought (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391696) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:58 PM Author: Mauve School They 100% would. In fact, they have nukes stationed there, iirc.
EDIT: Also Crimea. http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-deploying-tactical-nuclear-arms-in-crimea/ |
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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:55 PM Author: Opaque vibrant affirmative action goyim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388907) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: Dull dysfunction preventive strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391028) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:13 AM Author: stirring misunderstood kitchen tattoo No because FUCK RUSSIA
literally everything russia wants, we should want the opposite |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:14 AM Author: Twisted navy nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388982) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:14 AM Author: Mauve School (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36388988) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:46 AM Author: Razzle rusted public bath lol at this retarded neocon shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389132) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:47 AM Author: Mauve School (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36389137) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: Offensive learning disabled lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36390530) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:03 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth Lmao, not for at least 30-40 years. russia is acting like the mongols that they are and we should in no way encourage this behavior.
and they have nothing to offer us that would make us change our minds short of denuclearizing (which will never happen) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:15 PM Author: Kink-friendly maniacal toilet seat "they have nothing to offer us that would make us change our minds short of denuclearizing"
this is completely wrong |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:17 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth go ahead and list what they have to offer us, George Kennan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391023) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Kink-friendly maniacal toilet seat sure, off the top of my head
- lots of things to be traded in syria - russian support for iran can be traded - trade with russia as a counter to trade with china can be traded - lots of stuff around oil can be traded
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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth Lmao, you dumb cuck. for allowing them to invade a great US ally and steal a huge chunk of land (not to mention shooting down a passenger place), you're willing to accept this pidly shit?
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:37 PM Author: Mauve School LOL @ Ukraine as a "great US ally." Like Israel they just show up with their hands out and we fill those hands with cash. Their part of the bargain is that they take the cash and pay lip service to western democracy, while both doing a bunch of things that are a direct violation of that concept. If China invades the US tomorrow there will be zero Israelis and Ukrainians fighting beside US troops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391507) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:44 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth Ukraine is of massive strategic importance, and they fought with US in Iraq
Ukraine is massively flawed but nobody denies it’s a democracy. Maidan was a great democratic act that Russians don’t have the brains or balls to pull off |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:47 PM Author: Mauve School So did Syria, for that matter. I'm not talking about joining a turkey shoot in a quest to get more $$$s and support. I'm talking about getting invaded by a country with over a billion people that would be very bloody. They would absolutely avoid that.
It is such a wonderful democracy that saying a bunch of various shit or having banned books or movies or visiting the wrong place will land you in a jail cell. |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: Opaque vibrant affirmative action goyim WAS a democracy Until the US sabotaged the will of the people there
Are u really this fucking retarded to ignore chain of events and have ZERO perspective? |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:57 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth I live here, and I’ve lived in Russia. I’m pretty sure my perspective is a lot more valid than yours
the people held massive protests and the former president ran away along with his imported Praetorian guard. lord know the US public would be well within its rights to do the same if governed by illegitimate criminals |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:01 PM Author: Opaque vibrant affirmative action goyim US sabotage of democratic outcomes. Being there means you have less access to non-propaganda information streams. Speaking of, Ulkraine actually did intervene in our elections in a BIG way for Hillary. The Russian Facebook ads are comparatively tiny. |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: Kink-friendly maniacal toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391769) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:31 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth I’m sorry you’re a bootlicker, but democratic outcomes that are bad ought to be corrected by any means. sure America assisted, but this was a homegrown movement
I don’t speak Ukrainian or watch local news.
I’m aware of the Ukrainian interference, but like the Russian interference it doesn’t surprise me because everyone is doing it across the world. |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:06 PM Author: Mauve School I've lived in both Russia and Ukraine too. You're ridiculously pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391761) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: Kink-friendly maniacal toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391770) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth If being pro western makes me ridiculously pro Ukrainian, then so be it
I’m actually a Russophile, but I wanted what was best for Russia I would pretty much do the opposite of everything they have done for the last 5 years. the country is becoming very reactionary, which just means that the country will be repeating its history very soon. it all could have been avoided, but dimwitted Russians like you have sealed their fate. will be sad to see the Chinese eat your lunch (not to mention the southern problem getting worse) while you diddled around in shitty little Crimea |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: Mauve School "If being pro western makes me ridiculously pro Ukrainian, then so be it"
Except that it isn't. Ukraine is bleeding money and people. This isn't to say they should have been "anti-Western" either. Just taken a smart middle road, which is what Yanukovich was attempting to do before yet another ridiculous color revolution. The disastrous results (which would be significantly worse but for handouts and loans that they have no ability to repay) are ignored in the name of Ukrainian nationalism. It is totally and utterly absurd.
"I’m actually a Russophile, but I wanted what was best for Russia I would pretty much do the opposite of everything they have done for the last 5 years"
Totally disagree. Russia is doing what it has to. IRL, it should never have been put in this position.
"the country is becoming very reactionary, which just means that the country will be repeating its history very soon"
I actually agree with the first part. But if they weren't provoked and the reactionary response wasn't triggered, then everyone would be better off. The second - I'm not sure what you think Russia is going to do. Assuming no one does anything else, I don't think they have some grand plan.
"it all could have been avoided, but dimwitted Russians like you have sealed their fate"
It could have been avoided by the West not supporting Chechnya, Georgia, Ukrainian nationalists, Syrian "moderate Islamist rebels" and adding former Soviet territories as NATO members.
"will be sad to see the Chinese eat your lunch"
Russia and China have a mutually beneficial relationship and they realize that there's pressure on both of them.
"not to mention the southern problem getting worse"
It has actually gotten better.
"while you diddled around in shitty little Crimea"
Russia simultaneously won in Crimea, E. Ukraine and Syria. All 3 conflicts have calmed down and nothing bad happened. |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth I’m sure Russia will be fine. Keep up the good work! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36392197) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:59 PM Author: Kink-friendly maniacal toilet seat The US has no strategic interest in Crimea at all. It is 90% Russian speakers & Russian ethnicity. We aren't talking about the rest of Ukraine. You are an enormous lib or neocon & are clearly not arguing in good faith. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391727) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: Opaque vibrant affirmative action goyim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391743) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 3:31 PM Author: Mauve School (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36392390) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 1:39 PM Author: Hairraiser hell pisswyrm The Crimea is rightful Rus clay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4020912&forum_id=2#36391526) |
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Date: July 9th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Arousing ticket booth so you’re saying it belongs to Kiev?
Cool |