Remember when everyones health insurance premiums went up 400% bc of Obama?
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Date: July 12th, 2018 12:44 AM Author: Clear lascivious bawdyhouse skinny woman
Over the course of like 3-4 years?
And libs kept repeating “the current system doesn’t work” and meanwhile the entire productive middle class got fucked in the ass by Obamacare?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36410096) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:09 AM Author: Soul-stirring feces cruise ship
Hey, thank God for Obamacare. Now we don't worry about getting screwed for medical service because it's so fucking expensive with the out of pocket minimums that we wouldn't go unless it was a true emergency. Also, there isn't a OBGYN within 100 miles that takes Obamacare, so there's that.
I escaped this nonsense last year only through means that are not available to most people.
The only people who think that Obamacare helped - anyone* - is a fucking idiot or such political lib faggot that they can't see past their own nose.
Also, as for pre-existing injuries, this is fucking nonsense. Provided you didn't have any gaps in coverage - and most responsible people successfully avoided gaps in coverage - this is a non-problem.
* - exception: medicaid expansion helped some working poors.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411049) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 12:14 PM Author: Laughsome scourge upon the earth
I have never had a gap in coverage. I got denied for a preexisting condition before Obamacare. The insurer was wrong, but simply delayed payment on treatment and refused to give any information regarding the refusal to me or the treating facility until the bill went to collections. This was before I was a lawyer, and did not know how to handle the situation correctly; if it happened now, I would have a bad faith suit drafted and on the desk of the company counsel about 72 hours after the initial denial. Except that they wouldn't try to pull that bullshit, because it isn't an option.
A friend of mine broke his arm skiing and went to the hospital. The same insurer denied this claim as a preexisting condition as well.
Obamacare may be a fucked-up frankenpolicy with absurd costs, but bullshit denials for preexisting conditions were hardly "fucking nonsense."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411776) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:11 AM Author: Clear lascivious bawdyhouse skinny woman
I see that you linked this thread as proof of my low IQ
Keep in mind that because of Obamacare, I lost my work provided healthcare insurance, and then saw premiums go from like $125 to $450 a month over the course of 3-4 years. I never made a single insurance claim for anything over that time. It raped me. I feel like I have a right to bitch about this
Addressing your questions, sure they were out of control before Obamacare. And I’m sure some poor people got insurance that didn’t have it before. But please tell me how Obamacare regulated any costs (they still kept going up), and in particular why it is a good thing that tens of millions of productive middle class types had their premiums increase 100% a year for several years after Obamacare was enacted? assume I’m low IQ like you alleged.
As for ore existing conditions, yes that’s a good part of Obamacare. Was it impossible to enact that in any other way? You can be creative here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411063) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: indigo effete knife
wow cool anecdotes above. Here's another one: I had to have to surgery from a skiing accident like cockcheese above. it cost my parents a few hundred dollars as opposed to the $15K it would cost today. they were able to still buy me a car when I turned 16 and I got laid in the back seat. my parents had and maintained coverage like responsible ppl so it was no issue.
instead of having a few one off stories where idiots get boned by ins cos and we're all supposed to feel bad, we now have a system where they don't pay for anything for both responsible people and idiots alike.
more anecdotes: I know many people who simply say they have no insurance when they go to the doctor. they paying less than they would out of pocket through insurance.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414009) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: 180 lettuce
i don't agree with that thread and I removed that link (which was in jest) before I read your post.
But you do have a right to bitch about your healthcare costs. I just think the source of that anger is misdirected. We can agree to disagree on that.
And my costs went up as well. But I don't view my situation as an indictment on Obamacare overall. There are just too many distortions in the healthcare market and fundamental problems with the american healthcare system that I think it's wrong to place them solely on Obamacare
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411170)
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Date: July 12th, 2018 11:26 AM Author: puce rigpig factory reset button
“Everyone” is fake news. Employer based premiums have gone up at a historically low rate since ACA passed. Individual plans have gone up a ton (not sure where the 400% number comes from but you can find plenty of numbers like 79% in 2014 alone). But that makes sense given that pre-ACA an individual plan was just an invitation to pay money in order to negotiate how hard your ass got fucked when you actually had a major illness. It’s simple math, given that insurers are getting huge subsidies and charging more and still losing tons of money and withdrawing from the exchanges. If the GOP actually does anything to do away with pre-existing conditions or lifetime limits they will get raped in the midterms and murder-raped in 2020. Trump gets this but Randtard dumbass faggot Paul Ryan and his cuck buddies don’t of course.
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/employer-premiums-and-the-aca/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411452) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:01 PM Author: Cordovan multi-colored brunch
that was the entire point. to push everyone into corporate employment/kill entrepreneurship.
next was going to be employer-provided housing.
lose your job-- lose your healthcare, lose your home. modern day feudalism.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36412936) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:08 PM Author: indigo effete knife
it should be. until we establish a lower tier of health care specifically for proles, the individual market is going to be a shitshow. in america, proles have lower but acceptable qualities of housing, education, food, transportation, clothing, etc, etc, but for some reason we stop short at healthcare.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36412984) |
Date: July 12th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: Insecure Ruddy Candlestick Maker
It's total horseshit and anyone (other than the working poor and I suppose insurance company execs and major stockholders) should be livid.
I pay $1400/mo for a family of 3 with no health issues. This is the lowest amount I can pay to be compliant.
I haven't been to a doctor in years, so it's effectively catastrophic coverage for me.
No publicly available plan (I'm technically self-employed) is taken by PAMF, the largest medical group by me -- the one that "everyone" uses. So most doctors recommended to us by friends won't take our $1400/mo insurance.
My wife goes to what is effectively a clinic for OBGYN. Maybe one half-step above what true poors go to.
Poasters tell me to just do Kaiser, but I can't shake its reputation in my head, and with Stanford and UCSF in our backyard, if something really did go wrong, why would I want to leave it up to Kaiser to determine whether they would refer us to them?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411560) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 7:33 PM Author: maroon vibrant corner
regardless of what they "want to do," i'm saying that is the result.
i lived it.
i was hired into a difficult job. the workplace's insurance premiums had gone sky-high because of the ACA. so, to skirt contributing to employees' insurance, they began hiring full-time workers, like me, "part time." it was tough to get employment, and it was considered a good job, so people would still accept it.
so i had to work full-time, get paid under 30 hours per week, and get destroyed with obscene obamacare premiums each month paying for my own insurance on top of my reduced pay.
add those ridiculous ACA monthly costs into rent, student loan payments, and utilities and other costs, and I thought to myself, "why the hell am i working my ass off in a difficult job, to take home this small amount of pay, all to pay for the insurance of those who don't work (many of whom are quite able bodied)?"
it literally felt stupid to slog through the horrors of work instead of just quit, get medicaid, get subsidized housing, food stamps, etc., and not have to work. and maybe sell some drugs on the side for extra cash.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414768) |
Date: July 12th, 2018 3:31 PM Author: Hilarious Station Blood Rage
Why are you blaming libs for this? It’s faggot ass joe Liebermans fault the public option wasn’t included in the bill. Bear in mind the whole structure is a Heritage foundation plan.
Look, it’s a insurance co handout. But at least it moved the Overton window towards single payer. That plus the government setting price schedules is the ONLY thing that will control costs
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413146) |
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