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Russia admits defeat on its 'stealth' F-35 killer by canceling mass production

https://amp.businessinsider.com/russia-admits-defeat-su-57-n...
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  07/13/18
are reptile, you around?
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Still waiting to receive talking points from the Main Direct...
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cq
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  07/14/18
Ouch. This really is bad.
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  07/13/18
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Territorial gunner
  07/13/18
I thought ARE reptile said money was no issue in Russian mil...
self-absorbed locus dysfunction
  07/13/18
He is complete flame and even the Russian government wouldn'...
hateful church mad-dog skullcap
  07/13/18
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self-absorbed locus dysfunction
  07/13/18
Wrong,
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  07/14/18
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Spectacular doctorate
  07/14/18
"Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said the ...
flickering turquoise patrolman
  07/13/18
Brilliant.
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  07/13/18
180 spin
Unholy Startled New Version
  07/13/18
"We don't need to play because I've already won"
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  07/13/18
in Putin's Russia, jet plane builds YOU!
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Insane national
  07/13/18
lol are reptile
swashbuckling pisswyrm
  07/13/18
This is total Yankee lie. They just signed a contract for 12...
Arousing hyperactive school
  07/13/18
Lmao 12 he says. 12!
razzmatazz gaming laptop hall
  07/14/18
It's a heavy fighter roughly 20% larger than the F-22. 12 pe...
Arousing hyperactive school
  07/14/18
ok so it’s bigger and that means you need less of them? a...
razzmatazz gaming laptop hall
  07/14/18
The US only built 187 F-22s. It's a zero day platform. 200 i...
Arousing hyperactive school
  07/14/18
Lol! "YANKEE LIES!!"
self-absorbed locus dysfunction
  07/14/18
What the minister said was the Su-57 wouldn't cannibalize Fl...
Arousing hyperactive school
  07/14/18
Poor Russia can't afford the good stuff.
pale useless rigpig space
  07/14/18
Since 2010 the VKS and VMF has inducted 71 Su-35s 116 ...
Arousing hyperactive school
  07/14/18
So they're largely flying 1980's platforms today with some u...
tan aphrodisiac parlor
  07/14/18
Russia is shit.
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  07/14/18
90% of the USAF is tricked out F-15s and 16s and the Flanker...
Arousing hyperactive school
  07/14/18
F-15's and F-16's are still useful against shithole countrie...
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  07/14/18
The US is a shithole country with no air defense capability....
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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: pale useless rigpig space

https://amp.businessinsider.com/russia-admits-defeat-su-57-not-going-into-mass-production-2018-7

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418715)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:05 PM
Author: razzmatazz gaming laptop hall

are reptile, you around?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418735)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: lilac library international law enforcement agency

Still waiting to receive talking points from the Main Directorate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418742)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: infuriating hairraiser french chef chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418909)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 4:31 AM
Author: vibrant travel guidebook university

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36424090)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:15 PM
Author: hateful church mad-dog skullcap

Ouch. This really is bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418812)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 9:08 PM
Author: Territorial gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36422600)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:17 PM
Author: self-absorbed locus dysfunction

I thought ARE reptile said money was no issue in Russian military procurement. Could it be that weird jew is full of shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418835)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:18 PM
Author: hateful church mad-dog skullcap

He is complete flame and even the Russian government wouldn't claim something like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418841)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:18 PM
Author: self-absorbed locus dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418842)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 4:49 AM
Author: Arousing hyperactive school

Wrong,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36424104)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 5:44 PM
Author: Spectacular doctorate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36426950)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:28 PM
Author: flickering turquoise patrolman

"Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said the plane is so much better than everything out there that Russia doesn't need to build it."

LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418901)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: impertinent aromatic genital piercing

Brilliant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418916)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: Unholy Startled New Version

180 spin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418923)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: hateful church mad-dog skullcap

"We don't need to play because I've already won"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36418925)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:55 PM
Author: adulterous scourge upon the earth address

in Putin's Russia, jet plane builds YOU!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36426153)



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Date: July 24th, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: slimy talented trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36486836)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 9:08 PM
Author: Territorial gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36422597)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 9:17 PM
Author: Insane national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36422644)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 9:44 PM
Author: swashbuckling pisswyrm

lol are reptile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36422784)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 11:16 PM
Author: Arousing hyperactive school

This is total Yankee lie. They just signed a contract for 12 in 2019.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36423217)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:26 AM
Author: razzmatazz gaming laptop hall

Lmao

12 he says. 12!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36423911)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 4:24 AM
Author: Arousing hyperactive school

It's a heavy fighter roughly 20% larger than the F-22. 12 per year is a lot. Maybe 200 will be built in total.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36424084)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 4:32 AM
Author: razzmatazz gaming laptop hall

ok so it’s bigger and that means you need less of them?

also it doesn’t work, so feel free to build 2,000 of them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36424092)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 4:47 AM
Author: Arousing hyperactive school

The US only built 187 F-22s. It's a zero day platform. 200 is enough to fuck an entire continent. Heavy fighters don't get built in larger quantities generally.

As for it not working, the 4 sent to Syria say otherwise,

The VKS is 2025 will look like this

60 Su-57s

150 Su-35s

200 Su-30SMs

30ish Su-30MKs

70ish Su-27SMIIs and IIIs

48ish MiG-35s

24ish MiG-29Ks

56ish MiG-29SMs

160ish Su-34s and 34SMs.

60 Tu-22M5s

25ish Tu-160s

50ish Tu-95s.

3ish PAK-DAs

120ish Yak-130s

120ish Su-25s.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36424103)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:21 PM
Author: self-absorbed locus dysfunction

Lol! "YANKEE LIES!!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36425935)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:22 PM
Author: Arousing hyperactive school

What the minister said was the Su-57 wouldn't cannibalize Flanker orders because the Flanker is cheaper and good enough for an airforce with a hi-lo mix. He didnt really say the plane isnt entering production. Yankee lies for real.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36425950)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 5:43 PM
Author: pale useless rigpig space

Poor Russia can't afford the good stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36426946)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Arousing hyperactive school

Since 2010 the VKS and VMF has inducted

71 Su-35s

116 Su-34s

110 Su-30SM

20 Su-30M2s

12 new build Su-27SM3s (Im not counting upgrades)

24 MiG-29K/KUBs

353 heavy class twin engined fighters. This is roughly 2x more than all the countries in Europe COMBINED.

They continue to induct about 40 per year. There is no resource constraint on the PAK-FA.

Russian jet procurement matches Chinese procurement on a nominal defense budget that is 1/3 the size. The Chicoms have a bloated manpower problem and not enough kit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36425991)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:41 PM
Author: tan aphrodisiac parlor

So they're largely flying 1980's platforms today with some updated avionics and better engines than existed then. If we were fielding tricked out F-15's and 16's and not the F-35, I'd be concerned. But as it stands, the F-35 is a generational leap for which they don't have an answer.

And probably still won't 5-7 years from now. For better or worse, PAK FA is their only hope. But it is increasingly clear that it's a long shot. Real long...



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36426067)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:42 PM
Author: self-absorbed locus dysfunction

Russia is shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36426072)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:43 PM
Author: Arousing hyperactive school

90% of the USAF is tricked out F-15s and 16s and the Flanker is half gen newer than the F-15 and 16 so its not a fair comparison at all. By RANDs own admission an F-15 should lose to a Su-30 3 times in 4. The US is 5 years later into its refresh cycle than the Russkies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36426082)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:51 PM
Author: tan aphrodisiac parlor

F-15's and F-16's are still useful against shithole countries with no AA capabilities. Face facts rat faced Jew, Russia has nothing flying today that can defend against 400 F-22s and F-35s. LOL at your puny Air Force in 20 years when the US has 1,500 F-35s and Europe another 750.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36426132)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:56 PM
Author: Arousing hyperactive school

The US is a shithole country with no air defense capability. You never built out a proper SAM system or a multi-tiered radar network. All the radars over the US are commercial grade. Same for Europe. Flankers should have an easy time of it on day zero before NATO runs 24/7 CAPs. The reality is NATO is built up to project into Russia. There is basically no defensive setup over Europe or the US. If the Russkies go zero-day their initial strikes are going un-opposed. Its an open question whether they have the C4I for a knockout. NATO thinks they dont because their sat coverage is insufficient. NATO is an offensive alliance. The Russkies are supposed to be afraid of MAD and NATO numerical superiority but theres nothing defensive to stop 1 Russian volley and if its with hypersonics and big enough it might be enough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36426160)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 5:46 PM
Author: pale useless rigpig space

"The Russkies are supposed to be afraid of MAD and NATO numerical superiority"

They are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36426958)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 11:04 PM
Author: Unhinged Garrison

(Pre-ICBM slav. Slavemind)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36630602)



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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:57 PM
Author: Sapphire cumskin principal's office

DISAPPOINTING....we need some nation to dispose of Wash DC for us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36426166)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 10:58 PM
Author: slimy talented trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024960&forum_id=2#36630573)