\
  The most prestigious law school admissions discussion board in the world.
BackRefresh Options Favorite

ITT I describe owning a Porsche

Its 180 but boy is it easy to killself in one of these. It w...
puce idea he suggested field
  07/14/18
Cost for an oil change? How long do you think it will las...
Lake Sickened Area Mad Cow Disease
  07/14/18
Wtf man, do you get how a taking qs thread works?
Lake Sickened Area Mad Cow Disease
  07/14/18
Porsches are kind of ugly, don't get the hype tbh
pungent excitant regret azn
  07/14/18
Not getting one, but they have solid performance and really ...
Lake Sickened Area Mad Cow Disease
  07/14/18
They’re beautiful wtf are u talking about
Splenetic jewess whorehouse
  07/05/20
they are a bit ugly - they have that weird outdated look fro...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/06/20
Post picture of key and I will engage, otherwise flame.
Big becky
  07/15/18
...
lascivious hateful faggotry sanctuary
  07/15/18
Poast your key or you're flame
Deranged flatulent trust fund goal in life
  07/05/20
Basically screams I couldn’t afford a Ferrari etc.
buff circlehead
  07/15/18
lolz
Lake Sickened Area Mad Cow Disease
  07/15/18
I can't afford a Ferrari worth owning so partly true.
puce idea he suggested field
  07/15/18
hardly anyone can.
Vibrant associate
  07/15/18
911 gt2? i'm assuming you wouldn't shame yourself with a les...
vivacious water buffalo patrolman
  07/15/18
Outted as an Asian It’s 911 turbo or bust
rough-skinned church
  07/03/20
lol at buying a 911 turbo, the car of trust fund chinks at e...
Rusted ape
  08/25/20
great cars, very reasonable maintenance costs, absolute pant...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/03/20
...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/05/20
you have the cheapest porsche in the world with an engine wo...
vivacious water buffalo patrolman
  07/05/20
cr i'm still surprised though that he was able to get it ...
Stimulating native juggernaut
  07/05/20
clean title
cyan chapel selfie
  07/05/20
$16K is about right for a brand new $28K entry level "p...
vivacious water buffalo patrolman
  07/05/20
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4526137&fo...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/05/20
it doesn't change the fact you bought a shitbox.
vivacious water buffalo patrolman
  07/05/20
the cayman is a great supercar that is legit as fuck. i got ...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/05/20
you silly chink my worst car was a mb. i drove a lambo when ...
vivacious water buffalo patrolman
  07/05/20
cool story bro!
cyan chapel selfie
  07/05/20
lol u mad with your little automatic shitboxes.
vivacious water buffalo patrolman
  07/05/20
i live in a city of 10 million. im perfectly fine with pdk
cyan chapel selfie
  07/05/20
lol never getting to drive a real supercar in a boring antpi...
vivacious water buffalo patrolman
  07/05/20
sup.
cyan chapel selfie
  07/06/20
...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/09/20
missed that thread. not a porsche guy, but i know they are ...
yapping awkward cuckold
  07/05/20
the boxter/cayman/911 have A LOT of oil leak issues so you h...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/05/20
oil leaks are just a pain in the butt. no big deal. it's th...
yapping awkward cuckold
  07/06/20
yeah well half the porsches i test drove had oil leaks. so i...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/06/20
i have a friend with an old boxster that has the same porsch...
yapping awkward cuckold
  07/06/20
thanks bro. i highly recommend picking up a cayman yourself....
cyan chapel selfie
  07/06/20
the cheapest porsche on the market is $8,350. used 1999 boxt...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/05/20
your car was never $90K. you bought a shitbox. but you like ...
vivacious water buffalo patrolman
  07/05/20
the exact price of a new cayman is 98,300,000 KRW which come...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/05/20
holy shit. u guys don't have import taxes? that's pretty...
Stimulating native juggernaut
  07/05/20
a NEW AVANTE ("elantra" in the third world) costs ...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/05/20
how often do you see caymans there?
yapping awkward cuckold
  07/05/20
beemer benzes are a dime a dozen here. they might as well be...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/05/20
describe what kind of looks or comments u get when u drive u...
Stimulating native juggernaut
  07/05/20
2 weeks ago i went to the beach w one of my harem girls. at ...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/06/20
okay so that's a little white kid what do local korean gi...
Stimulating native juggernaut
  07/06/20
"oh wow it's a porsche" "wow i love that col...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/06/20
awesome u gotta do a video of u driving it sometime
Stimulating native juggernaut
  07/06/20
i will eventually get around to posting an exhaust vid. it s...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/06/20
do you have stingers everywhere then? strange country to hav...
yapping awkward cuckold
  07/05/20
stingers are fairly uncommon. see them every once in a while...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/06/20
now that i look. i think it was just a cayman s. i don't thi...
yapping awkward cuckold
  07/06/20
there really is no need to get anything above the CS how ...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/06/20
how easy is it to get auto loans in korea
Rose Hunting Ground Legend
  07/06/20
not sure im assuming you need a somewhat decent credit ratin...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/06/20
just curious bc its so cheap and i think car prices in ameri...
Rose Hunting Ground Legend
  07/06/20
used cars are extremely cheap. koreans are obsessed with buy...
cyan chapel selfie
  07/06/20
...
cyan chapel selfie
  08/25/20
...
cyan chapel selfie
  08/27/20
...
cyan chapel selfie
  09/02/20
...
cyan chapel selfie
  10/23/20
...
cyan chapel selfie
  10/28/20
I'll buy one when I move to Alabama or florida. Will drive a...
Soggy Private Investor Athletic Conference
  07/06/20


Poast new message in this thread



Reply Favorite

Date: July 14th, 2018 7:30 PM
Author: puce idea he suggested field

Its 180 but boy is it easy to killself in one of these. It would still be worth it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36427404)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 14th, 2018 7:31 PM
Author: Lake Sickened Area Mad Cow Disease

Cost for an oil change?

How long do you think it will last you?

Warranty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36427416)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 14th, 2018 7:44 PM
Author: Lake Sickened Area Mad Cow Disease

Wtf man, do you get how a taking qs thread works?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36427504)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 14th, 2018 7:44 PM
Author: pungent excitant regret azn

Porsches are kind of ugly, don't get the hype tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36427507)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 14th, 2018 7:46 PM
Author: Lake Sickened Area Mad Cow Disease

Not getting one, but they have solid performance and really good reliability, generally speaking. Don't see how it represents a good value compared to BMW and Mercedes, but I guess I'm poorer than a bunch of people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36427516)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:13 PM
Author: Splenetic jewess whorehouse

They’re beautiful wtf are u talking about

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553235)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:36 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

they are a bit ugly - they have that weird outdated look from like the 30s or whatever

but girls LOVE them and eventually the look grows on you. respect the frog.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553764)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 15th, 2018 5:13 AM
Author: Big becky

Post picture of key and I will engage, otherwise flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36429354)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 15th, 2018 4:09 PM
Author: lascivious hateful faggotry sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36431670)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:48 PM
Author: Deranged flatulent trust fund goal in life

Poast your key or you're flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553088)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 15th, 2018 9:03 AM
Author: buff circlehead

Basically screams I couldn’t afford a Ferrari etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36429572)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 15th, 2018 4:08 PM
Author: Lake Sickened Area Mad Cow Disease

lolz

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36431667)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 15th, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: puce idea he suggested field

I can't afford a Ferrari worth owning so partly true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36431681)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Vibrant associate

hardly anyone can.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36431770)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 15th, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: vivacious water buffalo patrolman

911 gt2? i'm assuming you wouldn't shame yourself with a lesser model.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#36431677)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:38 AM
Author: rough-skinned church

Outted as an Asian

It’s 911 turbo or bust



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40539529)



Reply Favorite

Date: August 25th, 2020 10:02 PM
Author: Rusted ape

lol at buying a 911 turbo, the car of trust fund chinks at every university ever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40811461)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:36 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

great cars, very reasonable maintenance costs, absolute panty dropper that few cars can match

highly recommend cayman/boxter/911

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40539526)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:45 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553067)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:49 PM
Author: vivacious water buffalo patrolman

you have the cheapest porsche in the world with an engine worse than most 3 series bmws. lol idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553093)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:51 PM
Author: Stimulating native juggernaut

cr

i'm still surprised though that he was able to get it for so cheap. must be a salvage or branded title

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553103)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:52 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

clean title

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553107)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:52 PM
Author: vivacious water buffalo patrolman

$16K is about right for a brand new $28K entry level "porsche." they colored it orange and this chink bought it thinking it's better than his v6 mustang.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553112)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:54 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4526137&forum_id=2#40143509

paid a hair under 18k USD

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553124)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:56 PM
Author: vivacious water buffalo patrolman

it doesn't change the fact you bought a shitbox.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553134)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:58 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

the cayman is a great supercar that is legit as fuck. i got a GREAT deal on my supercar. u mad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553150)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:01 PM
Author: vivacious water buffalo patrolman

you silly chink my worst car was a mb. i drove a lambo when you were a virgin in college.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553168)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:03 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

cool story bro!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553177)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:10 PM
Author: vivacious water buffalo patrolman

lol u mad with your little automatic shitboxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553223)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:12 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

i live in a city of 10 million. im perfectly fine with pdk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553232)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:14 PM
Author: vivacious water buffalo patrolman

lol never getting to drive a real supercar in a boring antpile country. so sad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553242)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:21 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

sup.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553654)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 9th, 2020 10:30 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40577559)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:09 PM
Author: yapping awkward cuckold

missed that thread.

not a porsche guy, but i know they are good cars

nice step up from your entry level mustang

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553209)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:11 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

the boxter/cayman/911 have A LOT of oil leak issues so you have to be really careful with your due diligence if youre going used

i was super paranoid and checking under the car for any leaks for about a month after purchasing but no issues whatsoever. great cars for sure man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553227)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:23 AM
Author: yapping awkward cuckold

oil leaks are just a pain in the butt. no big deal.

it's the tranny/gasket/engine/heater core/etc problems that crush you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553665)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:37 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

yeah well half the porsches i test drove had oil leaks. so imagine you buy one that has a oil leak and the engine explodes. thats a big deal lol

yeah i looked into what a gasket replacement would go for and its like 3-5k for a cayman. LMFAO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553770)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 1:18 AM
Author: yapping awkward cuckold

i have a friend with an old boxster that has the same porsche graphic along its side

he says the kids love it and it gets more conversation than his other cars

your cayman is far better. his car isn't miata shit, but it's zero interest for me. your car is at least interesting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553919)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 1:24 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

thanks bro. i highly recommend picking up a cayman yourself. you wont regret it. it's mid-engine and very fun.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553931)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:51 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

the cheapest porsche on the market is $8,350. used 1999 boxter w/ 110,000 miles

so definitely not the cheapest porsche. one of the cheapest? definitely. but i am not shelling out 90k for a porsche that you can buy 10 years later for a fraction of the original cost

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553105)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:53 PM
Author: vivacious water buffalo patrolman

your car was never $90K. you bought a shitbox. but you like shit cars after that purple automatic mustang. i'm sure your shitbox porsche is auto too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553117)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:55 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

the exact price of a new cayman is 98,300,000 KRW which comes out to 82,000 USD so not exactly 90k but close enough if you consider most porsche buyers will not be getting the base + no options

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553132)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 10:56 PM
Author: Stimulating native juggernaut

holy shit.

u guys don't have import taxes? that's pretty cheap for a new car. u should start a business that just sells cars to rich chinese or singaporeans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553140)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:00 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

a NEW AVANTE ("elantra" in the third world) costs 15,700,000 krw or 13,100 USD

it's all relative, friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553164)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:10 PM
Author: yapping awkward cuckold

how often do you see caymans there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553220)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:12 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

beemer benzes are a dime a dozen here. they might as well be camrys stateside

a porsche cayman is the equivalent to a huracan stateside

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553231)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:20 PM
Author: Stimulating native juggernaut

describe what kind of looks or comments u get when u drive ur car around the city?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553278)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:27 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

2 weeks ago i went to the beach w one of my harem girls. at a rest stop, this cute little cumskin kid with his parents walk by my parked car. the kid goes "hey is that a ferrari?"

cumskin dad goes "no, porsche"

loled IRL. when i had a mustang more dudes looked at my car. now, way more girls stare and comment. to put some numbers on it, maybe 25% of people noticed my mustang. now, over 85% notice it.

huge pantydropper.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553683)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:40 AM
Author: Stimulating native juggernaut

okay so that's a little white kid

what do local korean girls say?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553790)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:59 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

"oh wow it's a porsche"

"wow i love that color"

"oooh", *points*

it has custom axlebacks and i dont know if they're off-road because the exhaust was put in after the last inspection but it is fucking LOUD. when you floor it pretty much everyone turns their head

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553879)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:59 AM
Author: Stimulating native juggernaut

awesome

u gotta do a video of u driving it sometime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553882)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 1:11 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

i will eventually get around to posting an exhaust vid. it sounds absolutely 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553912)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 5th, 2020 11:34 PM
Author: yapping awkward cuckold

do you have stingers everywhere then? strange country to have mercedes everywhere, but not p cars

i saw a very sweet cayman yesterday. i think it was a gt4 since it had the huge intake at the back wheel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553355)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:33 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

stingers are fairly uncommon. see them every once in a while. many more base models than GTs

beemerbenzes go for 3k USD. so very common. porsches are a class above

gt4s are sick. the cayman is an all around great supercar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553737)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:42 AM
Author: yapping awkward cuckold

now that i look. i think it was just a cayman s. i don't think it had the big spoiler

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553807)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 1:12 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

there really is no need to get anything above the CS

how many posters actually track their cars? which is an expensive hobby in and of itself anyways

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553913)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:22 AM
Author: Rose Hunting Ground Legend

how easy is it to get auto loans in korea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553661)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:28 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

not sure im assuming you need a somewhat decent credit rating?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553693)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 12:41 AM
Author: Rose Hunting Ground Legend

just curious bc its so cheap and i think car prices in america have gone up somewhat artificially in the last 15ish years because they can do way more no income/no credit loans since it became less legal to do it with houses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553798)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 1:02 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie

used cars are extremely cheap. koreans are obsessed with buying new cars for some bizarre reason so if you go used, you are guaranteed to get a great deal

by law, all used cars - both foreign and domestic - must include vehicle histories and an inspection

domestics, by law, come with a warranty. imports do not, which suck. but as long as you are careful and do your due diligence, used imports are great deals because you can get them for insanely cheap

as an ALL CASH BUYER, i definitely would not advise taking out a car loan unless you can get near zero financing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553886)



Reply Favorite

Date: August 25th, 2020 9:59 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40811445)



Reply Favorite

Date: August 27th, 2020 8:20 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40824911)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 2nd, 2020 10:40 PM
Author: cyan chapel selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40861301)



Reply Favorite

Date: October 23rd, 2020 1:14 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#41170490)



Reply Favorite

Date: October 28th, 2020 12:39 AM
Author: cyan chapel selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#41203192)



Reply Favorite

Date: July 6th, 2020 1:02 AM
Author: Soggy Private Investor Athletic Conference

I'll buy one when I move to Alabama or florida. Will drive around H.s. parking lots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026047&forum_id=2#40553887)