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University of Minnesota proposes tranny pronoun policy

Keep it up, libs! http://m.startribune.com/index.php/he-s...
Concupiscible bawdyhouse
  07/15/18
“We are literally requesting of people to be respectful of p...
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  07/15/18
"the U’s Gender and Sexuality Center for Queer and Tran...
Concupiscible bawdyhouse
  07/15/18
anyone who can't see that this is textbook 1984 speak is ret...
stirring factory reset button
  07/15/18
This is literally what made Jordan Peterson famous
slippery mewling jap party of the first part
  07/15/18
what happens when the somalis refuse? shitlibs explode?
Bonkers water buffalo parlour
  07/15/18
This would have been in the Onion ten years ago.
Fiercely-loyal ebony parlor
  07/15/18
I will just call everyone "creature" from now on, ...
Concupiscible bawdyhouse
  07/15/18
I identify as a non-creature, you bigot.
flesh den
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angry dark ratface pit
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Um, he very clearly identifies as CISbigot, you asshole
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Fuck. Minefields everywhere.
flesh den
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only way to win is to get them b4 they get u, he who narcs f...
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180 set
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This policy does not ensure my right to use whichever pronou...
angry dark ratface pit
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I find pronouns to be dehumanizing. I have a name. Use it. E...
flesh den
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It's a public school. Won't survive the inevitable 1A challe...
dashing narrow-minded psychic
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Cyan national
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"Can you describe the suspect?" "No. The s...
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Concupiscible bawdyhouse
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I’m proud of the university for taking steps like this,” sai...
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In a sane world, someone like her would never be normalized....
Bateful boiling water
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wtf THIS https://cla.umn.edu/sites/cla.umn.edu/files/styles/...
Cerebral Business Firm Friendly Grandma
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looks like a man parodying a Minnesota mom.
Rose medicated private investor lodge
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CR, like a cast member from Church Basement Ladies.
Concupiscible bawdyhouse
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Mrs. Doubtfire.
flesh den
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I now identify as a lesbian. Pls ensure my female roommate i...
Disgusting mahogany stag film selfie
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cool my preferred pronouns are nig, nigga, and nigger.
Rose medicated private investor lodge
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make no mistake....Rach wants to bring this policy to XO
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Date: July 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Concupiscible bawdyhouse

Keep it up, libs!

http://m.startribune.com/index.php/he-she-or-ze-pronouns-could-pose-trouble-under-u-campus-policy

Minneapolis

He, she or ze? Pronouns could pose trouble under University of Minnesota campus policy

By Maura Lerner , Star Tribune

July 14, 2018 - 11:11 PM

Using the wrong pronoun could turn into a firing offense at the University of Minnesota.

The U is considering a new “gender identity” policy that would assure transgender men and women, as well as others, the right to use whatever pronoun they wish on campus — whether it’s he, she, “ze” or something else.

And everyone from professors to classmates would be expected to call them by the right words or risk potential disciplinary action, up to firing or expulsion.

The pronoun rule is just one of the proposed changes in a draft U policy that, advocates say, would bar harassment and discrimination against transgender and “gender nonconforming” individuals. It’s designed, in part, to combat an indignity known as misgendering — when someone is called by a name or personal pronoun they no longer use.

So far, the proposal has attracted relatively little attention on campus. But some faculty and students are raising concerns that the U, for all its good intentions, is trying to police what people say.

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“To me, it’s a bridge too far to cross for a person to tell me I have to say something … and if I don’t, I can be punished,” said sophomore Michael Geiger, a marketing major from New Prague, who is one of the campus leaders of Students for a Conservative Voice. “There’s a difference between creating a healthy environment and trying to legislate insensitivity out of the U.”

University officials insist that the policy, which has been described as one of the most ambitious of its kind in the country, is still a work in progress and will likely undergo revisions before it’s approved.

But an early draft, which began circulating on campus this year, “just set off the free speech alarms immediately,” said Joseph Konstan, a computer science professor and chair of the Faculty Consultative Committee.

“I don’t think it’s a controversial idea that people should be addressed as they prefer to be addressed,” he said. “Where it becomes controversial is where you move from being about good behavior … into a disciplinary matter.”

Locker rooms and roommates

The pronoun rule isn’t the only potentially contentious issue in the proposed policy. Among other things, it would also give individuals the right to access men’s or women’s locker rooms, recreational activities and housing based on their self-identified gender, rather than their biology. Konstan said he’s heard concerns about how that might affect roommate assignments, for example.

“Being welcoming and respectful to everyone is a wonderful goal,” he said. But “do we allow a student to say we won’t room with somebody who was born with a different gender?”

University officials say that many of the details have yet to be worked out.

“The intent is to be able to create more access and an inclusive environment for all of our community members regardless of their gender identity,” said Gabrielle Mead, assistant director of the U’s Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action office, which would oversee the new policy. But since the proposal is still in draft form, she said, “I don’t think I’m prepared to talk about the specifics of what would be permitted and not at this stage.”

Some are cheering the proposal as a welcome change.

“I’m proud of the university for taking steps like this,” said Melissa Harl Sellew, an associate professor of classical and Near Eastern studies, who is transgender. “It’s a good step in the direction of just normalizing someone like me.” Sellew, who has taught at the U since 1984, said that her colleagues have treated her “splendidly” since her gender transition in 2016.

But she said pronoun use can be an especially sensitive subject for transgender men and women, as well as those who reject traditional gender labels.

“I have friends who really want me to refer to them as ‘they’ because they don’t strongly feel male or female,” she said. “They tell you it’s really affirming when you’re called by the correct pronouns, and it’s really saddening when you’re not.”

Pronouns have become a hot topic on college campuses in recent years, as schools have become attuned to the ever-changing labels in the LGBTQ community. In some classes and student gatherings, it’s become routine to ask individuals to introduce themselves by name and pronoun.

Just last month, the U officially gave students a list of pronouns and gender options on its online registration website, MyU. If they choose, they can identify themselves as male, female, agender, gender nonconforming, genderqueer, nonbinary or two spirit, or skip the gender question entirely. Pronoun options include he, she, ze, the singular “they,” none and “prefer not to specify.”

Request for respect

Ahmad Qais Munhazim, a graduate student who helped draft the new policy, said that “misgendering” happens all too often, and that this is a way to educate people to get the pronouns right.

“We are literally requesting of people to be respectful of people’s very basic identities,” said Munhazim, who previously led the U’s Gender and Sexuality Center for Queer and Trans Life. “When you introduce any change in the language, there’s always a pushback at the very beginning until they get used to it.”

Jessica Schalz, another campus advocate, said that students who have switched gender identities often lack the “leveraging power” to challenge professors who call them by their old names or pronouns. “So I am absolutely thrilled to see this as an administrative policy,” she said. “This [is] something we can take back and show our professors.”

But Jane Kirtley, a U professor of media ethics and law, sees the pronoun rule as a risky proposition. “Suppose you slip up and just accidentally use the wrong one. Is that harassment or discrimination?” she asked. “Does everybody get one free pass and after that, it’s harassment?”

Personally, she said, “I don’t have an issue calling a student by a name that she or he or ze prefers.” But “looking at the proposal policy with a lawyer’s eyes, I am concerned … I frankly do not see how they could enforce something like this.”

Sellew, though, says she doubts anyone would be punished for a mere slip of the tongue. “Heavens no,” she said. “I don’t [think] you’re going to get fired the first time you call Melissa ‘he.’ Maybe the 40th time, if you’re doing it loudly and publicly and brazenly, you might get in trouble. I hope so.”

Mead, whose office would be charged with enforcing the policy, declined to speculate on what might trigger disciplinary action against a student or employee, except to say it would “really depend on the circumstances.”

For now, she said, the U plans to seek additional feedback this fall, including a 30-day public comment period, before any policy is approved.

“We want to make sure that we are getting all of those different perspectives,” she said. “We’re not going to push it through if we still have some big issues to work through.”

Rilyn Eischens, a graduate of the University of Minnesota journalism school, contributed to this report.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36431795)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: Frozen Coldplay Fan Corner

“We are literally requesting of people to be respectful of people’s very basic identities,” said Munhazim, who previously led the U’s Gender and Sexuality Center for Queer and Trans Life.

LITERALLY REQUESTING at the threat of discipline

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36431922)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:39 PM
Author: Concupiscible bawdyhouse

"the U’s Gender and Sexuality Center for Queer and Trans Life"

Mind-boggling that such a thing even exists.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432067)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:27 PM
Author: stirring factory reset button

anyone who can't see that this is textbook 1984 speak is retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432868)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: slippery mewling jap party of the first part

This is literally what made Jordan Peterson famous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36431928)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: Bonkers water buffalo parlour

what happens when the somalis refuse? shitlibs explode?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36431931)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:06 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal ebony parlor

This would have been in the Onion ten years ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36431932)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:41 PM
Author: Concupiscible bawdyhouse

I will just call everyone "creature" from now on, since we're all creatures.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432080)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:49 PM
Author: flesh den

I identify as a non-creature, you bigot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432122)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:49 PM
Author: angry dark ratface pit



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:32 PM
Author: buck-toothed market

Um, he very clearly identifies as CISbigot, you asshole

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432907)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:04 PM
Author: flesh den

Fuck. Minefields everywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440823)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:14 PM
Author: irate electric brunch travel guidebook

only way to win is to get them b4 they get u, he who narcs first lives to narc again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440861)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:48 PM
Author: flesh den

"I don't think it's a controversial idea that people should be addressed as they prefer to be addressed,"

THIRD PERSON PRONOUNS

Half this debate is fucking retarded because PEOPLE IN COLLEGE don't know what a third person pronoun is.

Even opponents get it wrong.

You don't address a person by that person's third person pronouns. That's what second person pronouns (e.g., "you") are for, WHICH ARE GENDER NEUTRAL IN ENGLISH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432121)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:20 PM
Author: apoplectic school legend



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:22 PM
Author: 180 set



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:49 PM
Author: angry dark ratface pit

This policy does not ensure my right to use whichever pronoun I want.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432124)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 6:25 PM
Author: flesh den

I find pronouns to be dehumanizing. I have a name. Use it. Every. Time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432316)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:57 PM
Author: dashing narrow-minded psychic

It's a public school. Won't survive the inevitable 1A challenge by FIRE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432160)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 6:27 PM
Author: Cyan national



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Date: July 15th, 2018 6:26 PM
Author: flesh den

"Can you describe the suspect?"

"No. The suspect did not reveal the suspect's preferred third person pronouns."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432319)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:14 PM
Author: slippery mewling jap party of the first part

Underrated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432782)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:15 PM
Author: irate electric brunch travel guidebook



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Date: July 17th, 2018 1:16 AM
Author: Honey-headed orchestra pit boistinker



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:10 PM
Author: Concupiscible bawdyhouse



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:11 PM
Author: domesticated iridescent sound barrier piazza



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:28 PM
Author: Irradiated digit ratio



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:04 PM
Author: Crimson Passionate Queen Of The Night Indian Lodge



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:15 PM
Author: irate electric brunch travel guidebook



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Date: July 20th, 2018 10:42 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Chestnut Rigor



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Date: July 20th, 2018 10:43 PM
Author: lascivious site pervert



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Date: July 20th, 2018 10:54 PM
Author: chartreuse idea he suggested cruise ship



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:17 PM
Author: slippery mewling jap party of the first part

http://m.startribune.com/he-she-or-ze-pronouns-could-pose-trouble-under-u-campus-policy/488197021/

OPs link broke

This isn’t fake

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36432798)



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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:19 PM
Author: 180 set



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:03 PM
Author: Concupiscible bawdyhouse



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:09 PM
Author: Disgusting mahogany stag film selfie

I’m proud of the university for taking steps like this,” said Melissa Harl Sellew, an associate professor of classical and Near Eastern studies, who is transgender. “It’s a good step in the direction of just normalizing someone like me.” Sellew, who has taught at the U since 1984, said that her colleagues have treated her “splendidly” since her gender transition in 2016.

Oh what a scholar!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440837)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:17 PM
Author: Bateful boiling water

In a sane world, someone like her would never be normalized. But in lib carnival world, up is down, wrong is right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440877)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:18 PM
Author: Cerebral Business Firm Friendly Grandma

wtf THIS https://cla.umn.edu/sites/cla.umn.edu/files/styles/profile_image/public/externals/e7ceecfea1aafcb979535103f45acd07.jpg?itok=v7bqgePI "transgender" person is a bible scholar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440887)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:23 PM
Author: Rose medicated private investor lodge

looks like a man parodying a Minnesota mom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440908)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:29 PM
Author: Concupiscible bawdyhouse

CR, like a cast member from Church Basement Ladies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440950)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 2:54 AM
Author: flesh den

Mrs. Doubtfire.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36442807)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:09 PM
Author: Disgusting mahogany stag film selfie

I now identify as a lesbian. Pls ensure my female roommate is hot. Thx

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440843)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: Rose medicated private investor lodge

cool my preferred pronouns are nig, nigga, and nigger.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440901)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 9:25 PM
Author: slippery mewling jap party of the first part

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36440923)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 1:22 AM
Author: Snowy costumed deer antler

"I can't believe so many bigots have a problem with this" said the millennial "anarchist".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36442512)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 1:31 AM
Author: charcoal dead center puppy

make no mistake....Rach wants to bring this policy to XO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36442553)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 3:40 AM
Author: Swashbuckling house

This could lead to some 180 trolling:

Mr. Drunkard ....

My preferred pronoun is lord. Lord Drunkard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026652&forum_id=2#36442837)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 3:41 AM
Author: Diverse Crystalline Abode Ceo



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