Physicists sort of zeroing in on fact universe springs from a "consciousness"
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Date: July 18th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: Titillating Violet Step-uncle's House
"They were literally the smartest people in the past several thousand years." I don't think so. They were definitely supersmart though.
But also, to the guy who said, "Huh, they were right all along!" actually, the underlying premise OP put up is bullshit quantum woo quackery, so you sort of sound silly saying, "huh, Plato, Aristotle, they were right all along!"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029144&forum_id=2#36451207) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: Titillating Violet Step-uncle's House
Well I can appreciate the "you have to choose to believe in some, at least until something better comes along or you realize how you cannot possibly be right" component of this but again--one should be suspicious ANY time you find yourself going to an invisible supernatural actor as an ultimate explanation without any support for the assertion that there is an invisible supernatural actor.
The more parsimonious, and safer viewpoint, is that until there is evidence to support a creative demiurge or agent, we shouldn't assume there is one.
Remember, we have a natural tendency as impure thinkers to go very speedily toward assuming there is a conscious actor behind natural phenomena. This drift is a cognitive error or blindspot we have in the evolution of consciousness--the same as the blindspot we have in our vision.
It is part of my project mentally to get as clean as I can be in my thought on difficult subjects and part of that means watching out for those little quirks of reasoning such as imputing agency we all have baked in as humans who have evolved over the millenia.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029144&forum_id=2#36451731) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Titillating Violet Step-uncle's House
I wasn't really talking about skepticism though, which is a different sort of thing than what I was trying to get at. I was only trying to talk about how it's important to see things as clearly as possible, and how belief in a supernatural actor when there isn't any evidence supporting it is a cognitive or evolutionary quirk we should be sensitive to in asking deep questions.
As for your current belief in a creator, I think if you examine things coolly and carefully over a period of months, reading up on all your initial objections, you'll see that I'm not so far out from the optimal way of looking at things, if you want to get at some underlying "truth" claims.
Keep in mind, the best atheists are, really are, smart as hell and as dispassionate and considered as totally alien physicists on the subject of a demiurge.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029144&forum_id=2#36451826) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 12:03 PM Author: Titillating Violet Step-uncle's House
Well, look at this:
The world is here--at least there is something we are in the midst of.
What evidence do you have that there is a demiurge who created it?
If the answer is none, or "could be," w a host of other explanations equally viable for the phenomena you think is evidence, then the clearest conclusion--for right now--is: I can't make that assumption until there is some evidentiary support for it.
I know its not human nature to think like this-but the tool itself is warped--our consciousness has built into it an impulse to see agency, the same as we have an impulse to see faces in everything--so we should proceed w care in our evaluation of the "evidence" or what is proffered as "evidence" of the presence of a demiurge.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029144&forum_id=2#36451905) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 12:54 PM Author: Titillating Violet Step-uncle's House
Not really. I'm not making assumptions, or I'm making fewer than you.
As for yr assumption that "order" is evidence of a demiurge, much of the universe is a place of Terrible disorder! Also, please examine the concept of Emergence, which is order from random processes, and simply follows rules of physics and biology without the need for a supernatural agent.
"order" such as it is, isn't really evidence of the presence of an active agent.
Dont get mad at me, I'm just showing you where you may have gone wrong.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029144&forum_id=2#36452258) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 2:19 PM Author: Titillating Violet Step-uncle's House
not really responsive to any points and just sort of calling me names, dude.
I know its painful to have it pointed out that your paradigms are in large part thought magnets that have evolved but aren't really connected w seeing the world as it is. I know the natural impulse is to push that sort of idea away from you as far as possible because it causes a great deal of distress, but try not to take it out on me while we are discussing this.
But there's no need to call me low IQ and irrational, or a 20 year old community college psych major in response.
As for "arguing w spaceporn"--I think its clear I was discussing w another speaker, not the speaker you claimed I was arguing with. please try to read more carefully.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029144&forum_id=2#36452914) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:07 AM Author: Titillating Violet Step-uncle's House
Eastern traditions are theistic in practice and in implementation.
It's just because westerners study only the tenets of eastern religions but do not see their practice in the cultures where they arose that we think they are non-theist.
Go to any buddhist temple anywhere in Asia and you will see worship of gods.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029144&forum_id=2#36451475) |
Date: July 18th, 2018 10:11 AM Author: bull headed haunting new version
"John Hagelin, theoretical physicist and spiritual guru"
LJL, recycling the same bullshit
https://www.csicop.org/si/show/quantum_quackery
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029144&forum_id=2#36451108) |
Date: July 18th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: Flesh corner
Can't watch a video rn but afaik that is egregious interpretive flame. Physics is not "zeroing in" on that.
I'm of the opinion that all possible quantum events are as real as the next, and that's the multiverse. Add in anthropic principle and that's about it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029144&forum_id=2#36451390) |
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