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Yes or no? Tiger wins 5 more times on tour and 1 more major?
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Date: July 18th, 2018 4:34 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut In his career. I'd go with yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36454074) |
Date: July 24th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36486534) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: indigo address water buffalo If I had to put money on it? No. He hasn't won in 5 years and he's had 4 back surgeries in that time.
As The Open Championship showed, he still has the ability to beat these guys and win again. I just don't think his body will hold up at age 42+ given his injury history. I guess I could see another couple wins and maybe 1 more major (likely a British or Masters championship), but I just think it's a stretch at this point. |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 12:49 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut yeah, it is all about health. But if he stays healthy for the next 5 years, he will probably do it. His back could also go for good any day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487332) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 12:53 PM Author: indigo address water buffalo I want to see him win a single tournament before I can really entertain the thought. He needs to build off last weekend and notch a win before the end of the season. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487353) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 12:57 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut yeah. He is in the mix enough that he should win a tournament per year. Someone with his record and consistency usually notches a win per year on average, even if he isn't the Tiger of old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487373) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 12:56 PM Author: Onyx Quadroon Church he needs to stay healthy so he can practice his short game and putting. His short game is getting better, but at the start of the season it was clear that he hadn't practiced much. That type of work is really hard on your back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487370) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 12:58 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut His short game looked good. Everything seems really close, just needs to have one tournament where he just putts particularly well and doesn't make the dumb mistake, and he'll win it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487384) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: Onyx Quadroon Church I agree that he's improving, especially his putting this week. He just had a couple missteps on the back nine on Sunday and fell apart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487507) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut he didn't fall apart. he made basically one mistake....the flop on 11....if that had gone a foot farther, rolled to 2 feet and he made par he probably would have won. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487828) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 3:13 PM Author: indigo address water buffalo Nah, he completely butchered that hole. Missed the fairway with an iron, horrible second that he got extremely lucky on with the bounce off the spectator, and then the bad pitch followed by a bad lag putt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36488179) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 3:32 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut yeah, but it was one hole. could have easily bogeyed or parred that hole if he hadn't gotten greedy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36488259) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: indigo address water buffalo Also shows you how hard golf is and how quickly and easily a good round could go bad.
I played on Saturday and was -1 after 13 holes. Pure an iron over the green on 14 from an elevated tee and make bogey. Come to the next tee and try to lay up with a three wood, but get a bad kick and the ball rolls into the edge of a hazard. Chip it out from there, but hit a poor wedge shot to the front of a very very deep green. Had about 100' and ended up four putting...lol. So all of a sudden I'm at +3 and my round is shot. None were "terrible" shots but I dropped 4 strokes on 2 holes, and ended up coming in with a 74 on a day where I hit 14 GIRs. |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut true
btw, nice humble bragging about your disappointing 74.... |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 12:58 PM Author: Snowy domesticated marketing idea mood No. The open was an anomaly. Time for regression toward the mean. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487381) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 12:59 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut He's had like 4 tournaments like that this year already. It doesn't seem like an anomaly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487386) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: Snowy domesticated marketing idea mood When was the last time he did that well in a major? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487389) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:05 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut well, that has been awhile, but it had been awhile for every tournament. Majors aren't any different for Tiger IMO....it isn't like he doesn't know how to rise to occasion like the average touring pro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487416) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Opaque Pocket Flask Dopamine No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487391) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:01 PM Author: Motley Abnormal Friendly Grandma LOL NO.
No way he wins five more times on tour.
I could see him winning 1 more major (Masters or PGA most likely) but all of the stars would have to align for that to happen. Guy just falls apart on the weekend.
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:06 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut So you think he is just going to fall apart every weekend for the next five years (if he stays healthy)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487420) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:07 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Opaque Pocket Flask Dopamine that's not a lot of majors though. including the PGA this year that's only 21 events, and it's not like he's going to do well in all of them, the USO in particular.
if he's up near the lead on the weekend in 5 of them that's good, and then he needs to have a good weekend and get a bit lucky |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:10 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut That's a good point. I'd still say it is 60/40 in his favor based on those stats you just laid out.
And limiting it to 5 years is probably silly. Phil is still in the mix at 48. |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:16 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Opaque Pocket Flask Dopamine really hard to project out that far. and his odds go way down every year older he is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487493) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:48 PM Author: Motley Abnormal Friendly Grandma Tiger just isn't the player he used to be. You could see it on Sunday... he made several stupid mistakes on the back 9 and his swing is very inconsistent.
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:49 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut well, that's true, because if he was the player he used to be I'd estimate 20 more wins and 4 more majors.
But he is still top 15 in the world. He'll probably be ranked around there by the end of next year. |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: Motley Abnormal Friendly Grandma Maybe, but even a T15 ranking is probably a long shot. He only plays in like 15 tournaments a year.
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut yeah, but he is already 50th in the world after 3/4th of a year of tournaments. World ranking points go back 2 years. I think if you extrapolated his performance over 2 years he'd be ranked 15-20th. And if he doesn't get hurt, he'll get better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487748) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: Motley Abnormal Friendly Grandma I wouldn't be surprised if Tiger gets hurt again. His body appears to be falling apart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487751) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:58 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut only god knows, but I don't see any evidence of him being hurt. He certainly doesn't walk around or swing like someone who is hurt. I think he got hurt from working out too hard before, and I think he stopped doing that. He is acting like someone in his 40's should be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487770) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: Onyx Quadroon Church So he's no longer playing as the second best golfer of all time. Doesn't mean he still can't be competitive and win.
He just finished in the top 10 of a major and has 4 top 10s this year. |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: Motley Abnormal Friendly Grandma None of that adds up to 5 tour wins and a major victory.
Yeah he's still "competitive" in that he will still make cuts and probably still be in the hunt on Sundays, and probably even win 1 or 2 events, but not FIVE tour events and definitely not a Major |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:56 PM Author: Onyx Quadroon Church This is retarded and not something you would say about anyone else that finished in the top 10 this week (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487757) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:59 PM Author: Motley Abnormal Friendly Grandma Anyone who has watched the progression of Tiger's game over the last 15-20 years can see he is on a definite downward trend overall. He's also in his mid 40s and has major issues with his fitness/health
He has trouble putting together 4 solid rounds in a row, which is really what you need to win a major. |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: Onyx Quadroon Church "Anyone who has watched the progression of Tiger's game over the last 15-20 years can see he is on a definite downward trend overall."
Oh wow, what ground breaking insight here. Guy in his 40s is not as good as he was when he was in his 20-30s and playing at as high of level of any human ever to play the game.
He fucking finished three shots back. You're acting like he can't make a cut anymore. |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: contagious ruddy juggernaut he shot even or better in every round and left shots on the table. he put together 4 solid rounds...he just got beat and didn't make many putts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487809) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:59 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Opaque Pocket Flask Dopamine most people in the top 10 aren't on the cusp of 43 with significant prior injuries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487775) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 2:03 PM Author: Onyx Quadroon Church I will grant you that, but his entire argument is "he's not as good as he used to be" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487796) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 2:06 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Opaque Pocket Flask Dopamine well, it's not just that
1. he's not as good as he used to be, but he's also 43 so it means he's headed downward and potentially quickly.
2. the tour is pretty deep right now with young talent
3. time is not on his side in that, assuming you don't think he'll be winning majors at 50+, he has limited chances to get one
4. he hasn't won one in a while, so he'd have to be in contention and get the lead and likely hold his nerve. that's harder the older he gets. |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: Onyx Quadroon Church I don't necessarily disagree that there a lot of factors against him, I just take issue with Anne Frank sporting a full bush tp's analysis.
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Date: July 24th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Opaque Pocket Flask Dopamine I don't think there is zero chance he wins another major, but it's pretty unlikely. He'd have to play really well and he'd have to get lucky. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487872) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 2:34 PM Author: Outnumbered stirring personal credit line stage lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487971) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Motley Abnormal Friendly Grandma Fine. I will restate my analysis.
He has a whole lot going against him |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: Outnumbered stirring personal credit line stage lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487525) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: Laughsome persian Possible, but less than 50% chance. He’s more likely to win another major than to win 5 more titles simply because that’s all he cares about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36487691) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Opaque Pocket Flask Dopamine This gets at what DBG and I talk about as a major (heh) difference between tennis and golf.
In tennis there is a distinct difference between the majors and other events. They have more rounds, have longer matches (for the men) and generally have fuller fields (though yes the Masters are usually pretty full).
In golf DBG's assertion is that there is way less difference between a tour event and a major, and that the distinction is mostly made up.
What you're saying is one of my counterarguments: namely that the top players care way more about majors, and it's not that they will try harder, but certainly they peak for the majors, and they won't be trying out new swings or clubs or techniques or whatever at the majors. They will play them as honestly as possible, and thus they're at least a little more difficult to win. (I also think the pressure aspect is amped up as well.) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: Ungodly Principal's Office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36488677) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 5:09 PM Author: Laughsome persian I don’t disagree. One of the best things about golf is that it’s each player against the entire field (or against the course if you prefer) rather than going through a draw. But to your point, I do think that the golf majors are closer to a regular event than tennis is. The PGA is a distant 4th, and the Players is total GC promotion/hype.
I think Tiger would love nothing more than to catch Jack, even if he probably knows that will never happen now. He really doesn’t care about random other tourneys, so I doubt he’s going to treat them as anything more than training. |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Opaque Pocket Flask Dopamine >> I don’t disagree. One of the best things about golf is that it’s each player against the entire field (or against the course if you prefer) rather than going through a draw. But to your point, I do think that the golf majors are closer to a regular event than tennis is. The PGA is a distant 4th, and the Players is total GC promotion/hype. <<
They are closer, but there are some important tangible benefits to winning them over regular events. The money is higher for starters, but also (i) you get 5 years exemption for winning a major or the Players versus 2 for a regular tour event, and (ii) if you're a really good player the big titles matter a lot for the Hall of Fame.
Also interesting that you also have the PGA ranked so low. I got into an argument with someone else on xo re the PGA and the importance of the career Grand Slam. My contention was that it's far less important for an all-time great to have a PGA, and if they're gonna miss one, that's by far the best one to miss. Past one PGA, you'd probably always want another of the other 3 majors. |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 1:51 PM Author: Medicated Sooty Property close call, but i'd say no. he's finishing close to top 10 in almost every tourney now, but the way he swings is too violent. no way he doesn't get injured.
i'd say two more tourney wins, some close calls at majors, but no w's |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: indigo address water buffalo I just realized that two of the next three US Opens are being played at Pebble Beach ('19) and Torrey Pines ('21); two courses where he's historically had a lot of success. I could definitely see him bringing home the prize in one of those. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36488200) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Opaque Pocket Flask Dopamine fuck it let's revise the analysis: TIGER WILL WIN SIX MORE MAJORS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36488526) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: Ungodly Principal's Office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029505&forum_id=2#36488528) |