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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: beta razzle field scourge upon the earth is there any part of the Russia story you actually believe? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454368) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: Cream fragrant turdskin french chef Russia has been “meddling” with us elections and other shit for decades. It had zero effect on the election, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454408) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: beta razzle field scourge upon the earth non-responsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454414) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:58 PM Author: Histrionic Twisted Antidepressant Drug Dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454769) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:04 AM Author: Racy Sweet Tailpipe For starters, Russia "meddled" with our election a lot less than Mexico and Israel did you fucking imbecile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36457019) |
Date: July 18th, 2018 5:10 PM Author: Marvelous school cafeteria jap i think it's a non-issue and is a distraction from actual issues that DO affect american security. and for that reason, people obsessing over this non-issue need to be mocked until they care about something of actual import. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454396) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:10 PM Author: pontificating theatre selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454398) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: Cream fragrant turdskin french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454403) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: beta razzle field scourge upon the earth non-responsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454409) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:33 PM Author: Marvelous school cafeteria jap it's completely responsive. it's like obsessing over a small cut when your main problem is radiation poisoning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454588) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:59 PM Author: Histrionic Twisted Antidepressant Drug Dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454772) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:32 PM Author: Sickened Medicated Hospital Corn Cake I think Russia's actions more or less were in line with the counties' respective operations in the past. They should be taken seriously, which includes implementing appropriate measures to limit the effectiveness of such actions in future elections, but they fall far short of constituting a new casus belli.
The Dems' approach to all of this undermines the country's ability to effectively respond. If the Dems truly cared about limiting Russia's influence in American elections, they would have let the government quietly handle the issue. By resorting to Russia as not only a means to call into question the legitimacy of the Trump administration but to also effect the removal of Trump from office, they have severely limited the ability of the federal government to act, since any action now carries with it significant political implications. |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:39 PM Author: Aromatic Volcanic Crater titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454619) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:40 PM Author: aqua haunted graveyard tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454624) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 8:39 PM Author: Laughsome overrated psychic imagine if the democrats had framed the russia stuff in terms of wanting to work with trump to ensure nobody fucks with the USA, wanting to give POTUS tools he needs to deal with cyberattacks, etc. trump would be taking a much different line.
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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:57 PM Author: Supple university This is right. It also undermines future elections because there’s no way we are going to “solve” the problem of Russian meddling to anyone’s satisfaction. Now that it’s become a mainstream political issue it’s going to be hard to put the cat back in the bag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36456988) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: Wild irradiated digit ratio puppy What does "did anything" mean?
I don't see anything that goes outside the bounds of the presidential equivilant of the Busienss JUdgement Rule. |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: talented transparent personal credit line The DNC should start taking cybersecurity seriously, as they are undoubtedly a target for hackers around the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454603) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:37 PM Author: beta razzle field scourge upon the earth Agreed, the NRA and Trump campaign should take security seriously, as they are undoubtedly a target for foreign operatives around the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454613) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: Gold Karate Business Firm i think russia did do something, but it's no different than stuff the u.s. has done in foreign elections. i think the obama administration knew about it. i think it's being used to delegitimize trump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454609) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:38 PM Author: beta razzle field scourge upon the earth so it's OK that Russia meddled in our election because we meddle in other elections? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454616) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:40 PM Author: talented transparent personal credit line How do you propose to stop all "meddling" in our elections? Prohibit any foreigner (or foreign media org, etc) from commenting about them anywhere?
Embarrassing leaks, hacks, scandals, info drops, etc happen all the time, it's part of politics anywhere. |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:43 PM Author: Gold Karate Business Firm nope, but it's being used by the media as some sort of new thing and despite the fact that there's no evidence trump colluded with the russians, they're saying trump should be impeached because of it
also the timing of the indictments makes me think the intelligence community is against trump and should be systematically replaced |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:57 PM Author: Sickened Medicated Hospital Corn Cake The implications from all of this go far beyond Trump. The Dems and MSM are ensuring that an "outsider" will never again be able to win a presidential election.
It is painfully obvious that if the Trump campaign is guilty of anything, it is clumsily playing "the game" due to lack of experience. Just look at how the DNC handled the Steele Dossier. Clinton didn't need to rely on anyone with direct connections to her to carry out that project. Instead, her surrogates laundered money through their pet biglaw firm to finance those efforts, always being careful to maintain several levels of plausible deniability for Hillary.
Outsiders don't have the benefit of relying on a gaggle of operatives with extensive experience in beltway politics, and they sure as hell don't have the luxury of running a massive BS non-profit to maintain the loyalty of their political operatives by keeping them well fed while out of power.
The next time an outsider has a real chance at winning the presidency, it will be even more difficult for that outsider to recruit talented, experienced individuals, unless the outsider completely relents and presents his hold to the established political machines. |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 6:00 PM Author: magical internal respiration boltzmann you didnt need to throw the fine folks at Perkins Coie under the bus like that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454782) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 6:52 PM Author: Aromatic Volcanic Crater Really killing it ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36455072) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:40 PM Author: Orange 180 home i dont think phishing for podesta's password and buying facebook ads had any material impact on the outcome of the election (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454639) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 8:41 PM Author: Laughsome overrated psychic wait so u deny they hacked the election and that we should vaporize moscow? TREASON (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36455612) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:42 PM Author: Mind-boggling Box Office That's the problem...what exactly is the story? It changes everyday. There is no coherent narrative about for anyone to confirm or deny. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454656) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:58 PM Author: stimulating saffron ticket booth Of course they did stuff. I assume that intelligence from other countries are CONSTANTLY poking around and fucking with us and each other. But the notion that Russia was working with the Trump campaign in some sort of insidious choreographed grand plan to "interfere" with the election is laughably stupid.
Billions were pumped into Hillary's campaign (directly and indirectly) and you want me to believe some hokey BLM memes swayed the fucking election? Lmao.
There is a stronger point to be made on the emails, if Russia actually was the one that hacked them, but then you have to remind yourself that libs are decrying the fact that they simply showed that Hillary, the DNC, and the Fake News were lying, corrupt, and all in cahoots with one another. And remember, WikiLeaks didn't just selectively release a few emails to paint a false narrative. They dumped the entire lot.
So I really have to LOL at the complaint that the "truth" being released is some awful assault on all of democracy.
You know what's actually insidious and traitorous? Using spies from other countries (like Russia) to cook up literal fake news and dossiers, and then using those falsified stories as the basis to conduct a massive counterintelligence operation against the opposing presidential candidate. |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:58 PM Author: Glittery multi-billionaire pretty much all fake news AFAIK. but who really care about this shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454765) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:59 PM Author: erotic hairraiser property yes but the cynical instrumentalizing of it by libs has done infinitely more to 'undermine are democracy' than those actions themselves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454776) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 6:26 PM Author: glassy razzle-dazzle patrolman brunch The worst of the reasonably supported allegations at this point are that they exposed Democrats corruption via phishing due to comically lax IT security by Democrats, and that they bought Facebook ads.
I mean, HRC had a huge hand in pwning their friend Libya, and was campaigning explicitly on acts of war against Russia in Syria. Of course they hated and did not trust her, and like any powerful country, wanted to discredit her. Which they did, somewhat, due to her and her party's ineptitude.
And now Democrats and their corrupt media friends are using that (ie the exposing of their own corruption in rigging their own primary and colluding against Trump generally) to undermine Trump's legitimacy. After they made a huge deal about him not promising to accept election results no matter what, and HRC specifically promising to accept the election results no matter what.
So while I never want to just accept espionage, on net, I don't think Russia is exactly the most culpable. Hell, Snowden very criminally exposed government lies and libs love him. |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 6:30 PM Author: erotic hairraiser property would like a lib to respond directly to this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454940) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 6:35 PM Author: Sickened Medicated Hospital Corn Cake I doubt you did this intentionally given your opinion, but you dance around the main reason why the Dem and MSM position is complete horse shit: without the ridiculous allegation of the Trump campaign's collusion with Russia, whatever Russia did or didn't do is not a political issue. Instead, Russia's "meddling" is entirely a national security issue and the previous administration's failures to protect it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454965) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 6:38 PM Author: erotic hairraiser property "whatever Russia did or didn't do is not a political issue"
they obviously wanted HER to lose tho and wouldn't have done the same for a candidate they liked. |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 6:53 PM Author: Sickened Medicated Hospital Corn Cake Even if that is true, without the "collusion" allegation, it is not a political issue, and there certainly wouldn't be a special prosecutor. It strictly would be a matter of national security. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36455081) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 6:55 PM Author: Mauve Plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36455087) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 7:13 PM Author: erotic hairraiser property k not how I read 'political issue' but I still disagree with that assessment. w/o 'collusion' there'd be no special prosecutor but there'd still be a shitton of lib hysteria around trump = "putin winning," trump being a useful idiot, goading him into a hostile posture vis-à-vis Russia and calling him a traitor when it isn't sufficiently hostile, etc etc etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36455176) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 3:49 AM Author: Sickened Medicated Hospital Corn Cake Agreed. Perhaps a more accurate statement would be Russia's actions wouldnt be part of the public political *process*. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36457638) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 6:52 PM Author: glassy razzle-dazzle patrolman brunch Tbf I farted this poast out without much thought, but yeah. They are putting the cart very far ahead of the horse wrt whether Trump had any involvement, or whether there was any collusion at all. They just frame everything that way because that's the scope of the investigation, so any time they discuss the investigation or anything related, they get to imply there was collusion/speculate and fantasize about it in whatever way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36455069) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 6:31 PM Author: Chocolate Shaky Parlour No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454949) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 6:44 PM Author: pontificating theatre selfie No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36455016) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 7:16 PM Author: sapphire rehab round eye Did Russian government affiliated entities post memes on Facebook and likely other websites to stir up intraparty factionalism on both sides? Yes.
Did the Russian government participate in "hacking" (i.e., guessing his password) podesta's emails or obtaining DNC info? Maybe. I'll ascribe about as much crediibility to this claim as the cia's claims regarding iraq's wmd circa 2002. Likely on some level there's an element of truth.
Are there even any other allegations based on anything beyond fantasy and innuendo? Not that I'm aware, please correct me if I'm wrong.
I even believe (and this is really shocking) Russia has likely "intervened" in such ways in other elections. Indeed theyd be stupid not to. It might have something to do with the us doing the same x1000 in nearly every other country in the world, democracy or not. The point is not moral equivalency but instead that any sensitive human being knew stuff like this was going on, has always been going on, and is a fact of high profile politics.
By again, what proof is there that it was Russia. What basis do you have to put faith in the intelligence community's assesment that was released in a time and manner which would be meaximally politically damaging to potus?
In short, why the fuxk should we trust the people who have orchestrated the utter chaos we see internationally? |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 8:43 PM Author: Wonderful territorial house boiling water I think the Russians did no more or less than they’ve probably done in every POTUS election for decades. The only exception here is Hillary’s emails, and I don’t know what to think about that – maybe it was Russia, and I don’t love that fact if true. but all it showed was that Hillary was corrupt as hell and the dem primary was rigged.
I’m loving watching libs and neocons scream in pain as Trump tries to destroy the ridiculous world order that they’ve built. |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 8:48 PM Author: titillating casino I believe that they made a few weird Facebook posts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36455650) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 8:49 PM Author: Diverse headpube 18 months ago a thread like this would've been full of Trumpmos insisting no Trump team member ever so much as saw a Russian. Now the debate is about whether we should trust the US government over Vladimir Putin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36455655) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 8:51 PM Author: erotic hairraiser property lol shitlibs went from "collusion with hostile power to rig election" to "saw a Russian about shit totally unrelated to the cybertheft," and *we're* the ones moving the goalpoasts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36455669) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:34 AM Author: glassy razzle-dazzle patrolman brunch Yeah, we keep poking different holes because the allegations don't stay still for two days in a row. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36457167) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 10:16 PM Author: Marvelous school cafeteria jap why, specifically, should we trust the US government? this is not a traditional leftist position, in any case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36456342) |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:53 PM Author: sapphire rehab round eye no. there's still zero evidence of "collusion" which was the central claim which your ilk has been moaning about for 18 months.
we're debating whether we should believe the us intelligence community, not over the word of putin, but at all. and most importantly even the us intelligence community isn't claiming ONE SHRED of evidence of collusion which again, your ilk has been moaning about for 18 months.
The semantic games (which i'm not even sure you're aware you are playing) will work better on people that watch cable news. it will have much less success on the internet. |
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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:58 PM Author: pontificating theatre selfie “no Trump team member ”
That’s hundreds of people |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:01 AM Author: Racy Sweet Tailpipe Do you completely lack self-awareness or simply don't care if you come off like an unhinged buffoon? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36457005) |