Board Trumpmorons - do you think Russia did anything at all? All media lie?
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:32 PM Author: White Dashing Kitchen
I think Russia's actions more or less were in line with the counties' respective operations in the past. They should be taken seriously, which includes implementing appropriate measures to limit the effectiveness of such actions in future elections, but they fall far short of constituting a new casus belli.
The Dems' approach to all of this undermines the country's ability to effectively respond. If the Dems truly cared about limiting Russia's influence in American elections, they would have let the government quietly handle the issue. By resorting to Russia as not only a means to call into question the legitimacy of the Trump administration but to also effect the removal of Trump from office, they have severely limited the ability of the federal government to act, since any action now carries with it significant political implications.
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: cruel-hearted cracking orchestra pit digit ratio
What does "did anything" mean?
I don't see anything that goes outside the bounds of the presidential equivilant of the Busienss JUdgement Rule.
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Date: July 18th, 2018 5:57 PM Author: White Dashing Kitchen
The implications from all of this go far beyond Trump. The Dems and MSM are ensuring that an "outsider" will never again be able to win a presidential election.
It is painfully obvious that if the Trump campaign is guilty of anything, it is clumsily playing "the game" due to lack of experience. Just look at how the DNC handled the Steele Dossier. Clinton didn't need to rely on anyone with direct connections to her to carry out that project. Instead, her surrogates laundered money through their pet biglaw firm to finance those efforts, always being careful to maintain several levels of plausible deniability for Hillary.
Outsiders don't have the benefit of relying on a gaggle of operatives with extensive experience in beltway politics, and they sure as hell don't have the luxury of running a massive BS non-profit to maintain the loyalty of their political operatives by keeping them well fed while out of power.
The next time an outsider has a real chance at winning the presidency, it will be even more difficult for that outsider to recruit talented, experienced individuals, unless the outsider completely relents and presents his hold to the established political machines.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454757) |
Date: July 18th, 2018 5:58 PM Author: Brindle Stead Roast Beef
Of course they did stuff. I assume that intelligence from other countries are CONSTANTLY poking around and fucking with us and each other. But the notion that Russia was working with the Trump campaign in some sort of insidious choreographed grand plan to "interfere" with the election is laughably stupid.
Billions were pumped into Hillary's campaign (directly and indirectly) and you want me to believe some hokey BLM memes swayed the fucking election? Lmao.
There is a stronger point to be made on the emails, if Russia actually was the one that hacked them, but then you have to remind yourself that libs are decrying the fact that they simply showed that Hillary, the DNC, and the Fake News were lying, corrupt, and all in cahoots with one another. And remember, WikiLeaks didn't just selectively release a few emails to paint a false narrative. They dumped the entire lot.
So I really have to LOL at the complaint that the "truth" being released is some awful assault on all of democracy.
You know what's actually insidious and traitorous? Using spies from other countries (like Russia) to cook up literal fake news and dossiers, and then using those falsified stories as the basis to conduct a massive counterintelligence operation against the opposing presidential candidate.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454763) |
Date: July 18th, 2018 6:26 PM Author: Onyx know-it-all base
The worst of the reasonably supported allegations at this point are that they exposed Democrats corruption via phishing due to comically lax IT security by Democrats, and that they bought Facebook ads.
I mean, HRC had a huge hand in pwning their friend Libya, and was campaigning explicitly on acts of war against Russia in Syria. Of course they hated and did not trust her, and like any powerful country, wanted to discredit her. Which they did, somewhat, due to her and her party's ineptitude.
And now Democrats and their corrupt media friends are using that (ie the exposing of their own corruption in rigging their own primary and colluding against Trump generally) to undermine Trump's legitimacy. After they made a huge deal about him not promising to accept election results no matter what, and HRC specifically promising to accept the election results no matter what.
So while I never want to just accept espionage, on net, I don't think Russia is exactly the most culpable. Hell, Snowden very criminally exposed government lies and libs love him.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36454927) |
Date: July 18th, 2018 7:16 PM Author: Supple Obsidian Church Building
Did Russian government affiliated entities post memes on Facebook and likely other websites to stir up intraparty factionalism on both sides? Yes.
Did the Russian government participate in "hacking" (i.e., guessing his password) podesta's emails or obtaining DNC info? Maybe. I'll ascribe about as much crediibility to this claim as the cia's claims regarding iraq's wmd circa 2002. Likely on some level there's an element of truth.
Are there even any other allegations based on anything beyond fantasy and innuendo? Not that I'm aware, please correct me if I'm wrong.
I even believe (and this is really shocking) Russia has likely "intervened" in such ways in other elections. Indeed theyd be stupid not to. It might have something to do with the us doing the same x1000 in nearly every other country in the world, democracy or not. The point is not moral equivalency but instead that any sensitive human being knew stuff like this was going on, has always been going on, and is a fact of high profile politics.
By again, what proof is there that it was Russia. What basis do you have to put faith in the intelligence community's assesment that was released in a time and manner which would be meaximally politically damaging to potus?
In short, why the fuxk should we trust the people who have orchestrated the utter chaos we see internationally?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36455192) |
Date: July 18th, 2018 8:43 PM Author: Shimmering Institution
I think the Russians did no more or less than they’ve probably done in every POTUS election for decades. The only exception here is Hillary’s emails, and I don’t know what to think about that – maybe it was Russia, and I don’t love that fact if true. but all it showed was that Hillary was corrupt as hell and the dem primary was rigged.
I’m loving watching libs and neocons scream in pain as Trump tries to destroy the ridiculous world order that they’ve built.
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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:53 PM Author: Supple Obsidian Church Building
no. there's still zero evidence of "collusion" which was the central claim which your ilk has been moaning about for 18 months.
we're debating whether we should believe the us intelligence community, not over the word of putin, but at all. and most importantly even the us intelligence community isn't claiming ONE SHRED of evidence of collusion which again, your ilk has been moaning about for 18 months.
The semantic games (which i'm not even sure you're aware you are playing) will work better on people that watch cable news. it will have much less success on the internet.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4029546&forum_id=2#36456967) |
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