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Love Charles but hes dead wrong re: Phantom Menace > Revenge of the Sith
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Date: July 19th, 2018 3:06 PM Author: plum stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#36460158) |
Date: July 19th, 2018 3:26 PM Author: plum stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#36460289) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 3:27 PM Author: Thriller yapping corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#36460294) |
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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: plum stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#36465120) |
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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Mind-boggling useless center I'm even more confident of this than I am of ANH > ESB. The Phantom Menace has a lot of bad superficial aspects: Jar-Jar isn't funny, Anakin has a bad actor, too much politics, etc. But it's still basically a Star Wars movie, with a real plot arc and a few cool ideas like podracing.
Revenge of the Sith is just a bloated meandering CGI monstrosity. |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 8:40 AM Author: plum stage Wrong ☝️ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39428326) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 8:41 AM Author: Lime at-the-ready heaven They're both shit and not worth arguing over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39428330) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 8:45 AM Author: plum stage Wrong ☝️ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39428337) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 3:37 PM Author: Mind-boggling useless center Explain yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430239) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 3:38 PM Author: Lime at-the-ready heaven he cried when they killt the younglings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430244) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 3:44 PM Author: Mustard Rough-skinned Mexican Dilemma I too would like to hear the explanation.
I think Phantom Menace is the worst, but I haven't watched the movies in a long time and I think a lot of that is the curse of high expectations. |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:03 PM Author: splenetic school karate Incomprehensible take.
The two best sequences in the prequels are the yoda fight and the colosseum fight with the monsters in front of Duku— both in ROTS. ROTS was not a good film because of how shitty it’s key scenes were (lava planet, lol) and how badly Vader’s character was written (2.5 movies of him being a law-abiding citizen, albeit a whiny little bitch, and then abruptly 20 minutes later we’re mass-slaughtering children) and acted (see: “whiny little bitch”). But it’s the best of the three.
Phantom Menace is so clearly the worst you’re beyond help if you think otherwise. Jar-Jar is a *historically* terrible character; Natalie Portman’s lines are cringeworthy; hippie Liam Neeson is one of the strangest casting choices in the series.
Last: Mitichlorians. |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:05 PM Author: Irradiated Associate Toilet Seat Coliseum fight was in AotC LJL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430393) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:13 PM Author: splenetic school karate Oh you may be right. AotC has that terrible, godawful, interminable opening sequence where Anakin jumps onto the flying robot and chases the lizard-lady assassin -- it's not as "flashy" in its shittiness as some of the more obviously hilarious Phantom Menace scenes, but that sequence is quietly one of the very worst in the entire franchise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430424) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:05 PM Author: Mustard Rough-skinned Mexican Dilemma which actor is more of a detriment: young Anakin or adult Anakin? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430394) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:19 PM Author: splenetic school karate Christenson obviously does more damage to the franchise, and I'm of course more critical of a (basically) adult actor than a kid. Hayden's lines were badly written and, separately, badly acted; whereas I'm aware working with child actors is always tough (a lot of very talented directors describe their handling of relatively minor child roles as the most difficult thing they've ever done) and I feel like the role should have just been better crafted. And again I say this as someone who thinks there is no debate that Phantom Menace is not only the worst SW film, but is IMO closer to the Holiday Special than it is to the next-worst movie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430451) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:30 PM Author: Mustard Rough-skinned Mexican Dilemma that is fair, although young Anakin had a pretty big role. he and jar jar got a lot of screen time in PM.
why on Earth did Lucas cast Hayden Christensen? |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:36 PM Author: mahogany concupiscible brunch he saw him punch a hole in the wall in some movie and thought he detected some kind of raw emotional acting genius that would translate well to a volatile young Vader (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430573) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:41 PM Author: Mustard Rough-skinned Mexican Dilemma each of the 3 prequels won a Razzie for Worst Supporting Actor, with Hayden getting the award for AoC and RtS lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430605) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:42 PM Author: mahogany concupiscible brunch yeah he’s really fucking bad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430610) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:39 PM Author: splenetic school karate I have never seen American Graffiti, which I understand to be a genuinely good film, but I am nonetheless strongly of the opinion that he's just not that good of a filmmaker. His genius is in merchandising, which is why he's far and away the world's richest director. He's not a George RR Martin world-builder type (although he clearly wants to be), anecdotes abound about Harrison Ford script-doctoring all of Han Solo's lines and basically the whole character, Spielberg alone directed Indiana Jones, and Phantom Menace is one of those products that's so bad it makes you doubt the person could possibly be competent -- like when a junior delivers you a product that's so bad you're just like "oh, thanks!" and don't give feedback but just never use him again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430593) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:40 PM Author: mahogany concupiscible brunch u should give feedback, prick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430602) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:50 PM Author: splenetic school karate I never once gave bad input on a performance review -- I have a strong sense of solidarity with labor over capital; fuck those pigs -- but no, I'm not going to use someone who I've concluded is too retarded for me to ever trust. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430662) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:51 PM Author: mahogany concupiscible brunch fine, fine -recipient of many “thanks!” last emails |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 5:28 PM Author: splenetic school karate Just lateral to a v50 in two years, dave, and everyone will look at your Williams/CLS pedigree and your first firm and assume you're brighter than you are. Credentials and other proxies for talent are your friend. Stay on the move -- always upward or lateral! -- and your 250 hours of grinding for the lsat and 1 year of grinding through 1L can be parlayed into a lifetime of unmerited mid-six-figure job security.
And remember, when you make partner: none of your subordinates will have the time or comfort to reflect fully on your lack of natural ability, let alone the courage to speak about it with your colleagues, if you constantly terrorize them with unreasonable and capricious demands and deliver self-contradictory and never-satisfied feedback on their work product. Keep those fuckers looking over their own shoulders.
This words are those of wisdom that have helped many before you, dave. Good luck. |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 5:37 PM Author: mahogany concupiscible brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430930) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:41 PM Author: Mustard Rough-skinned Mexican Dilemma i'm really enjoying all your screeds ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430609) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 5:06 PM Author: splenetic school karate TY. I actually watch the prequels regularly, because my wife is a big rifftrax/mst3k fan, and now my little baby likes SW.
I'm personally fascinated by the senseless squandering of some of the world's most valuable and highest-potential IP. Like at some point, somebody came to Lucas and told him straight up "the focus groups are 100% clear that audiences hate Jar-Jar; please, George, sit down with Dr. Liu and let him explain these results to you" and Lucas, like a fucking caricature of a pre-Moneyball boomer GM, was like "nah! I got this; audiences are gonna love him! Look, look-- did you see the scene we just CGI'd where Liam he-- he-- hahahaha I can't stop fucking laughing!-- Jar-Jar sticks out his tongue out to eat an apple off the table, and Liam he-- he fucking grabs his tongue out of midair!!!" (**doubles over, gasps for air laughing**) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 5:10 PM Author: Mustard Rough-skinned Mexican Dilemma https://youtu.be/YR_ow1HYrts?t=144 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430798) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:17 PM Author: mahogany concupiscible brunch i 100% agree and have always pushed this perspective irl.
Id also add that I think Liam Neeson’s charisma carried a lot of the movie. for whatever reason he was way better delivering the (poorly written) material in a compelling way than anyone else in the whole series. also most compelling villain |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:31 PM Author: splenetic school karate (1) I've said before that, overall, Ewan McGregor comes away from the prequels looking the best of any actor involved (or at least heavily involved; Christopher Lee does fine, I guess). It's not just people who've turned out to be jokes overall (i.e., Christenson); Portman's a respected actress now, but she's *atrocious* in those films. E.g., "You're breaking my heart, Anakin!" "I was not elected [N.B.: lol at an "elected" queen. Jfc Lucas can you quit being *such* a fag with your faggy bland boomer politics.] to sit by while you discuss this invasion in a CO-mitt-ee" "You're taking me down a path I can't follow!" "So this is how democracy dies: with thunderous applause." [That last one is Lucas's fault; see earlier note about faggy bland politics that he thinks are edgy and awesome and incisive.] Ewan sort of just quietly, dryly does his thing; he's on screen more than anyone other than Christenson, but he walked away from those abortions no worse for the wear -- and much richer.
(2) I to this day do not understand why they created Darth Maul, promoted him TO THE HILT in trailers, promo materials, on Taco Bell cups, etc., and then gave him 2 lines (1?) and like 4 minutes of screen time. I assume they cut a lot of his stuff for time? And left in 80 minutes of inscrutable trade negotiations and way-more-boring-than-real-life (especially now) political bullshit? |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:34 PM Author: Mustard Rough-skinned Mexican Dilemma I agree with all of this. Portman was fucking terrible in those movies too.
I assumed Darth Maul was created to sell toys and shit. |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:35 PM Author: mahogany concupiscible brunch it’s probably a blessing to the character that he has no lines because any writing would’ve been corny as hell. but it also works out because it amplifies the mystique and general sense that there’s a dark mysterious force about to descend on everyone without warning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430563) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:44 PM Author: Mind-boggling useless center CR. There is nothing wrong with limiting the exposure of a cool character, as long as they remain cool. Wanting 30 minutes of Darth Maul is the sort of mindset that gave us the prequel disaster in the first place. See also how lightsabers had only limited usage in the OT and then the prequels drowned everyone in cheesy lightsaber porn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430625) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:56 PM Author: splenetic school karate I agree -- and especially good point on the light sabers -- but I don't for a second think that that was Lucas's mentality with Darth Maul. The movie just doesn't scream "restraint". It's not like audiences were DEMANDING that The Force be explained or that the plot necessitated reducing it some really gay biological phenomenon that, when combined with Lucas's heavy-handed political shit, leads me to believe that Lucas was basically an ahead-of-his-time 2018 lib NPC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430717) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 5:00 PM Author: Mind-boggling useless center Oh, it was almost certainly an accident that Maul wasn't overexposed in TPM, but doing something right accidentally is still doing something right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430743) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 5:08 PM Author: exciting gaping Lucas was already intent on adding gay politics shit to SW, then 9/11 and Iraq happened and he tripled down on it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430782) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:59 PM Author: Mustard Rough-skinned Mexican Dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430737) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:19 PM Author: sapphire state The action sequences in the prequels are just soooo dated. Movies from the 80s/early 90s look better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430461) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:21 PM Author: blue dopamine What good is a plot when the movie completely fails to execute on key fundamental things like "acting", "dialogue", and "visuals". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430472) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:22 PM Author: Ruddy Vibrant Depressive Clown The visuals were great (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430479) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:22 PM Author: mahogany concupiscible brunch acting dialogue etc are just crutches for the talentless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430480) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:24 PM Author: Mind-boggling useless center All the prequels fail on this front, so plot is what allows Episode 1 to stand out a tiny bit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430496) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:23 PM Author: buff selfie jap They should have used IG droids like from the Mandalorian instead of those lame as fuck battle droids
That black insect-like droid from the Bill Burr episode was also 178 and they should've have more cool concepts like that in TPM |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:49 PM Author: slate friendly grandma Darth Maul fight was the best of the prequels. Yeah yoda is cool but that’s a cgi video game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430656) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 4:54 PM Author: Mustard Rough-skinned Mexican Dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430699) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 5:04 PM Author: Charismatic Sneaky Criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39430758) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 6:44 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy theater The prequels are all bad, with AOTC being the worst, and ROTS being the best. Phantom Menace was just sort of dumb and Portman is unbelievably terrible, but it at least had lots of screentime for Neeson and McGregor.
Portman and Christenson combined give quite possibly the worst acting performances in the history of major motion picture cinema. Portman was somehow able to rebound, but they destroyed Christenson's career. Funny enough, he was actually great in Shattered Glass - a movie which was released between AOTC and ROTS. Leads me to believe almost all of the blame lies with George Lucas. |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 8:08 PM Author: buff selfie jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39431578) |
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Date: January 14th, 2020 6:51 PM Author: multi-colored saffron sanctuary Absolutely devastating for Voodoo Manchild (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39431219) |
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Date: January 21st, 2020 5:32 PM Author: plum stage Wrong ☝️ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030322&forum_id=2#39466847) |