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Charles XII: most underrated and overrated U.S. Presidents?
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Date: July 20th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: vigorous at-the-ready senate philosopher-king I would like to compare my list to yours.
Overrated: Jackson, Wilson, FDR, JFK, LBJ Underrated: Polk, Cleveland, McKinley, Coolidge, Eisenhower |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:34 PM Author: submissive house-broken meetinghouse persian most agree Eisenhower was 180, and Coolidge's greatness is hardly overlooked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471570) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:35 PM Author: duck-like stead whenever professional historians are polled, Coolidge is placed in the bottom 5 presidents. it is a common trope to say he did nothing at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471580) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:38 PM Author: submissive house-broken meetinghouse persian (((professional historians))) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471590) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:12 PM Author: effete haunted graveyard "Professional historians" are hacks whose judgment can be safely ignored. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471719) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:22 PM Author: rambunctious national security agency double fault very odd case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471776) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:36 PM Author: tan legend box office Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471581) |
Date: July 21st, 2018 3:34 PM Author: vigorous at-the-ready senate philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471566) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:36 PM Author: tan legend box office Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471583) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:48 PM Author: milky abode How is Jackson overrated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471631) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:11 PM Author: effete haunted graveyard Ten years ago I would have called Grant underrated but he's being revised upwards of late. Similarly, Wilson would have been overrated but most people are wising up to his downsides.
I agree with all your underrated presidents save Polk, who I think is pretty fairly rated (everybody knows he was effective, it's just a matter of how you morally judge the Mexican War). I'd add Arthur as well, who was a perfectly decent president in the mold of Coolidge but rarely gets much praise for it.
For overrated I'd agree on FDR, JFK, and LBJ, while adding Adams, Jefferson, and Madison, all of whom get, IMO, a big "Founding Father" bump for their middling efforts as chief executive. |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:13 PM Author: razzle-dazzle whorehouse uhhh the louisiana purchase called... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471721) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:15 PM Author: effete haunted graveyard The Louisiana Purchase simply fell into Jefferson's lap. I don't see why he deserves much credit for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471732) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:15 PM Author: razzle-dazzle whorehouse he could have said no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471736) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:16 PM Author: milky abode Because a substantial number of people thought it was unconstitutional and he did it anyway? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471744) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:18 PM Author: duck-like stead more importantly, he probably secretly thought it was unconstitutional
it's damning that Jefferson's biggest accomplishment required him to violate his ideology |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:18 PM Author: milky abode And secure a future for white children (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471761) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:27 PM Author: effete haunted graveyard I don't really get *why* it was supposedly unconstitutional. The Constitution plainly allows the POTUS to make treaties subject to Senate approval, and transfer of territory is a routine treaty provision. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471811) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:15 PM Author: milky abode literally the most important founding father, it's a deserved bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471735) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:20 PM Author: duck-like stead Embargo Act and Non-Intercourse Act = two of the most TTT laws ever passed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471768) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:48 PM Author: vigorous at-the-ready senate philosopher-king I guess you forgot that Washington is a founding father. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471899) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:30 PM Author: Naked church building coldplay fan *Calls Madison overrated*
*Exposes self as a nonlawyer but more importantly an idiot*
Edit nvm, you qualified 'as POTUS.' But that is a dumb limit |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:32 PM Author: effete haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471829) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:32 PM Author: Naked church building coldplay fan See edit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471830) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:35 PM Author: maize university I believe that was BEFORE he was POTUS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471844) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:36 PM Author: effete haunted graveyard Why is it dumb to evaluate presidents based on their actions as president? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471847) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:47 PM Author: Naked church building coldplay fan What is the point of that limitation? What is the point of ranking presidents? Presumably to gauge their importance. Otherwise it is nonfalsifiable and a stupid exercise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471892) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:19 PM Author: duck-like stead IMO, Jefferson and Madison were unmitigated disasters as POTUS and get a yuge boost from their pre-POTUS work as founding fathers
Monroe actually underrated IMO - he hired a great cabinet and mostly let guys like John Quincy Adams and a young, not yet insane John C. Calhoun do their thing |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:21 PM Author: effete haunted graveyard CR.
Why are you less sour on Adams? Alien and Sedition Acts were huge TTTs as well.
I guess Adams is less "overrated" though, as he's usually put a rung below the other Founding presidents, HBO series notwithstanding. |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:22 PM Author: duck-like stead does anyone consider Adams to be a good POTUS? Even the musical Hamilton shits all over him.
Now John QUINCY Adams, there is an overrated POTUS |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:23 PM Author: effete haunted graveyard Quincy is almost always rated pretty badly in my experience, unless he recently benefited from some revisionism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471781) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:27 PM Author: vigorous at-the-ready senate philosopher-king Monroe was great. He's the last POTUS to win every electoral college vote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471810) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:27 PM Author: milky abode Just do lose a war and your capital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471815) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:25 PM Author: insane titillating hospital mother underrated - Polk
overrated - Obama
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:48 PM Author: vigorous at-the-ready senate philosopher-king I despise Obama, but it's too early to fairly judge recent presidents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471898) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:52 PM Author: insane titillating hospital mother not if they win nobel peace prize before even taking the oath and had done nothing in their life till then except for winning the presidency
i dont see how somebody can be more overrated than obama |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 5:00 PM Author: vigorous at-the-ready senate philosopher-king Oh I agree. The shitlib media anointed him as the second coming of the messiah. I'm just saying that from a historical perspective, we need to wait before assessing his true legacy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471942) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:54 PM Author: azure laughsome circlehead Most overrated is obviously Lincoln (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471919) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 5:01 PM Author: Adulterous yellow area underrated - TRUMP overrated - also TRUMP |