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WH frantically backtracking from Ukraine referendum discussed at Treason Summit
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Date: July 21st, 2018 1:17 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location WASHINGTON — The White House has rejected a Vladimir Putin-backed effort to hold a referendum in eastern Ukraine on the region's future, distancing itself from the idea in the aftermath of President Donald Trump's controversial summit with the Russian leader.
Russia's ambassador to the U.S., Anatoly Antonov, said the two leaders had discussed the possibility of a referendum in separatist-leaning eastern Ukraine during their Helsinki summit.
But Trump's National Security Council spokesman Garrett Marquis said Friday that agreements between Russia and the Ukrainian government for resolving the conflict in the Donbas region do not include any such option and any effort to organize a "so-called referendum" would have "no legitimacy."
The back-and-forth came as the White House outlined the agenda for a proposed second summit between Trump and Putin — in Washington this fall — that would focus on national security. Moscow signaled its openness to a second formal meeting between the two leaders as criticism of Trump over his first major session with his Russian counterpart kept up in the U.S.
U.S. officials have been mum on what, if anything, the two leaders agreed to in Helsinki during a two-hour, one-on-one meeting. Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats said Thursday he had yet to be briefed on the private session.
The Russian government has been somewhat more forthcoming.
"This issue (of a referendum) was discussed," Antonov said, adding that Putin made "concrete proposals" to Trump on solutions for the four-year, Russian-backed insurgency in eastern Ukraine, which has killed more than 10,000 people. He did not elaborate on what Putin's solutions would be.
In a sign of support for the Ukraine government, the Pentagon said Friday it would provide $200 million in additional training, equipment and advisory assistance to Ukraine's military.
Trump tweeted Thursday that he looked forward a "second meeting" with Putin and defended his performance at Monday's summit, in which the two leaders conferred on a range of issues including terrorism, Israeli security, nuclear proliferation and North Korea.
"There are many answers, some easy and some hard, to these problems ... but they can ALL be solved!" Trump tweeted.
The White House is still trying to clean up post-summit Trump statements on Russian interference in the 2016 election. Trump's public doubting of Russia's responsibility in a joint news conference with Putin on Monday provoked withering criticism from Republicans as well as Democrats and forced the president to make a rare public admission of error.
Then on Thursday, the White House said Trump "disagrees" with Putin's offer to allow U.S. questioning of 12 Russians who have been indicted for election interference in exchange for Russian interviews with the former U.S. ambassador to Russia and other Americans the Kremlin accuses of unspecified crimes. Trump initially had described the idea as an "incredible offer."
The White House backtrack came just before the Senate voted overwhelmingly against the idea.
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Date: July 21st, 2018 1:20 PM Author: infuriating legend Lol, what do we expect xoTrump’s response would have been if Putin said, “we really need to hold a vote in eastern Ukraine, to see what the citizens prefer, you know?” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471007) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:18 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location Putin did say that though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471153) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Supple bbw So I guess that means the Kosovo referendum was illegal too and we can now send in the Red Army to kill the Albanians? I'm cool with this bit of Yankee logic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471008) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:22 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location Russia needs to give this shit a rest. All its going to do is make the Baltic countries it is still angry about get worried and militant. Of course the mafia leaders don't care about being smart, only about their disappearing banking options (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471163) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:25 PM Author: Supple bbw The Baltics are losing 3% of their population annually. Countries? They will be Russian cities in 50 years.
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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:52 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location They hate Russia more than all other Atlantic alliance countries combined (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471331) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:53 PM Author: Supple bbw Who gives a fuck what these dying people think? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471337) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Galvanic Station what did u expect trump and putin to talk about - weather? grand kids? vacations? golf?
what do u think obama and putin would have discussed in bilateral summit? u think ukraine wouldnt have come up?
OH NO ukraine was discussed. CALL THE WAHMBULANCE
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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:32 PM Author: Supple bbw The only thing they should be discussing is the unilateral surrender of the entire NATO alliance. Resistance is futile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471199) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:39 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location I'm not surprised at all. Did the OP express surprise? Only surprised that the agenda, which was kept secret, is already leaking. Not surprised that it is as big of a disaster as it could have been either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471255) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Galvanic Station lol. i am sure a referendum would have been agreed upon and conducted in total secrecy. if not for the brave leakers Eastern Ukraine would have been russia already
thank you WaPo
also who should decide foreign policy of our country? POTUS or DNI? NSC? i thought president ruled our country with democracy and all that |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:59 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location Got enough straw for those men? Where did I suggest there would be a secret referendum? I said the agenda of the Treason Summit was secret.
"also who should decide foreign policy of our country? POTUS or DNI? NSC? i thought president ruled our country with democracy and all that"
This is a retard's view of our country's constitutional order, but the President does have significant powers under Article II if thats what you're asking |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:10 PM Author: Galvanic Station was agenda of Nixon's visit to China public when he went there?
whats wrong with POTUS deciding (if he wants to) that our foreign policy should be supportive of a referendum in Eastern Ukraine? Didn't Clinton decide that he supported independence for East Timor? Didn't Bush support Kosovo breaking away from Serbia? That's the job of the POTUS or "ultimate decider" as GWB called it
Even if we accept everything you state as a fact I don't see a problem. These diplomatic events are conducted in secrecy and POTUS has the power and right to conduct foreign policy as he wishes
Putin proposed this, WH discussed this internally and decided not to support it. The only difference is that fake news has made it a national news story
Finally if Trump had accepted this proposal congress, EU, media etc have had opportunities to weigh in just like they had an opportunity to do so with Syria, Iraq war etc
OH NO Trump ran with a radical new agenda but he better not disturb the status quo and his foreign policy shouldn't deviate from Obama's foreign policy. But it was OK for Obama to tear up our status quo with Cuba that existed for decades under multiple presidents?
your TDS is at 10/10
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:15 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location Lol at comparing this compromised trust fund reality TV host to Richard MILHOUS Nixon, and LOL at comparing the monumental China diplomacy with the grotesque sideshow last week. Kissinger laid groundwork for a fucking year. Trump announced this on a whim after getting a subpoena or some other bad news from his lawyers or briefers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471467) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:17 PM Author: Galvanic Station u mean the Nixon who said that Trump would make a great president? lol @ u
Trump wont be impeached and will win reelection in 2020 if he is on the ballot
HTFH. u can cry all you want |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:19 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location Lol okay, these aren't real arguments so I'll assume you're done here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471483) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:21 PM Author: Galvanic Station you couldn't refute anything i said about the role of POTUS and how diplomacy is conducted. your only response is DRUMPF/Apprentice and some other BS. are you john oliver by any chance?
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:24 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location I don't think u know what refute means. You argued by analogy, and I told you why those analogies are not apt. Comparing this to Nixons weeklong trip to China is braindead. And you were burning down strawman after strawman re your retarded view of our constitutional order (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471507) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:50 PM Author: Galvanic Station OH NO NOT DRUMPF. he is different and rules/powers of POTUS doesn't apply to him just because RUSSIA/Mueller
this is literally your argument. you are probably a low IQ retard so i will stop arguing with you |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:11 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location Look at this straw man bullshit. Where do I argue that Trump shouldn't have the same Article II powers that predecessors had? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471715) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 2:42 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location And LOL at drawing historical comparisons. This is not a diplomatic event, it is an episode of the Apprentice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471275) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:13 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location Very convincing lmao at how triggered you get by Trump criticism u weird idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471722) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 10:17 PM Author: Vivacious Alcoholic Trust Fund You’re a dumb nigger who went to Howard, can barely handle a government job, and is a raging alcoholic. LOL at your life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36473024) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 11:03 AM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location *TRIGGERED* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36474364) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 11:33 AM Author: Vivacious Alcoholic Trust Fund *NIGGERED* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36474612) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:01 PM Author: Galvanic Station Obama Presidency - Putin invades Crimea, Ukraine, hacks podesta's email, runs GRU campaign to cause chaos in american election
Trump - ?
shitlib: DRUMPF is a Russian puppet |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:05 PM Author: excitant reading party ape in a nutshell. That fact that the Russia 'probe' isn't an investigation into how US intelligence dropped the ball but instead is looking into far-fetched conspiracies is proof its a farce at best (basically a pretext to get Trump). Any libs that can't admit as much are liars (to themselves first). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471681) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:20 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location I'm wondering how your arguments will shift if/when there is evidence of kickbacks from Russia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471769) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:37 PM Author: titillating gay resort I'm pretty sure Obama would be charged with treason at that point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36471855) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 5:35 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location He did biz w/ Russians? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36472118) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 8:59 PM Author: titillating gay resort How would I know the specific reasons that Obama was Putin's puppet? Am I his stenographer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36472774) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 5:52 PM Author: excitant reading party ape I like that this fantasy is the coping mechanism you've created to deal with your Trump Derangement syndrome. It's 180 and I enjoy when you poast. Carry on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36472192) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 2:44 PM Author: maize metal kitty sanctuary Okay, let's get this straight. Putin proposed something during his meeting with President Trump. After consideration, Trump decided to turn Putin down.
So, why aren't boart shitlib conspiracy theorists happy about President Trump standing up to Putin?
This is just another example confirming that shitlib conspiracy theorists have no agenda other than anti-Trump. Even if Trump takes actions that they would ostensibly approve of, they contort themselves into knots trying to find an excuse to criticize Trump for it.
They've shown their true colors. They can't be trusted. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 2:53 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location "Trump decided to turn Putin down"
Lmao, he doesn't decide anything w/r/t Russia. That's what happens when you are a compromised tool. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 2:56 PM Author: maize metal kitty sanctuary On a scale of 1-10, how crestfallen and dejected are you that Trump turned Putin down? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36475542) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 2:57 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location "crestfallen" wtf? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36475548) |
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So, I'll toss a link your way: www.dictionary.com
YWIA |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 3:26 PM Author: scarlet domesticated mad cow disease location You have the weirdest poasting patois. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031690&forum_id=2#36475718) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 3:37 PM Author: maize metal kitty sanctuary Perhaps you just have a poor command of the English language. But, whatevs...it's telling that my bug-spray worked again, and you (a Trump-Russia conspiracist) have no substantive response.
Keep on #resisting! |
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