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the NYT has had the unredacted Carter Page FISA application for a year
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:53 AM Author: Hairraiser friendly grandma meetinghouse read this thread, its not speculation
https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1021245439427907586 |
Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:58 AM Author: Coral Internet-worthy Garrison Just read it. What’s the implication?
I don’t know who these people are. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:59 AM Author: Hairraiser friendly grandma meetinghouse you should know who james wolfe (extremely senior administrator within senate intelligence committee) and ali watkins (NYT reporter) are. they had an affair and he leaked her super sensitive info (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36478838) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:00 AM Author: Beady-eyed pit Lmao jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36478839) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:02 AM Author: Coral Internet-worthy Garrison I guess I haven’t been following this page story this weekend at all No news for me at all. So the NYT has the unredacted fisa application for the past year. What have we learned about this application that makes this even more newsworthy?
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:03 AM Author: Hairraiser friendly grandma meetinghouse the released version is heavily redacted but it shows that the application relied *to an extreme extent* on the unverified trump pissgate dossier. the signatories of the application stated under perjury that they had verified the information contained in the application.
keep in mind a title 1 FISA warrant on carter page allowed the FBI & DOJ to spy on anyone within two degrees of separation of the target. the purpose of a title 1 FISA warrant is basically to be used against terrorists to uncover their network. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:06 AM Author: Coral Internet-worthy Garrison Ty
Is there a good breakdown of what the application showed anywhere? |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:07 AM Author: Hairraiser friendly grandma meetinghouse https://themarketswork.com/2018/07/21/the-carter-page-fisa-applications/
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https://themarketswork.com/2018/07/22/questions-carter-page-fisa-applications/ |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:27 PM Author: razzmatazz bearded associate space Well, one implication is that all of the claims that the dodgy Steele Dossier wasn't an important part of the FISA application (which NYT happily printed) they knew to be false. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480829) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 10:15 AM Author: Beady-eyed pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36479955) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 10:56 AM Author: violent institution Pretty shady. AM radio was all over this this morning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480163) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 11:21 AM Author: sable internal respiration I have no idea what's he's trying to say about leak tracing starting here.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1021254360582541312
What aspect of the document was their tracing marker? |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 11:23 AM Author: Hairraiser friendly grandma meetinghouse See here : https://money.cnn.com/2017/11/14/media/leak-investigations-jeff-sessions/index.html
The specific marker isn't known |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 11:58 AM Author: Laughsome Headpube I think Sundance is saying that the FISA warrant application that was released is a copy of the application that was made on March 17, 2017. In the indictment against the Senate Staffer, it specifically says that on March 17, 2017, he received a top secret document that he then shared with that Ali Watkins reporter from the NYT. I believe this is the "connection" he's making between the two. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480652) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:01 PM Author: Hairraiser friendly grandma meetinghouse Yes agreed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480666) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:11 PM Author: Laughsome Headpube Also, apparently the FISA warrant was 82 pages of material. In the indictment, the Senate Staffer, James Wolf, sent 82 text messages of pictures to NYT reporter Ali Watkins, presumably each picture being a page of the FISA application. That's quite the coincidence: Copy of FISA application made on March 17, 2017. Application is 82 pages of material. Senate Staffer Wolf is indicted for leaking classified info, specifically on March 17, 2017, and 82 text messages of pictures of the classified info were sent to Ali Watkins.
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:07 PM Author: soul-stirring smoky digit ratio church *XO struggles to understand how certain courts and legal applications function*
"Surely the general public will understand this!" |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: Laughsome Headpube There's a 75% chance Carter Page is CIA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480790) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: Laughsome Headpube There's a 75% chance Carter Page is CIA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480791) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Odious Box Office Idiot The FBI still hasn't interviewed Carter Page yet? LJL this whole thing is ridiculous
But gotta talk to the NYC Madams |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:26 PM Author: Coral Internet-worthy Garrison didn't he ask Mueller to interview him but Mueller declined? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480822) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:28 PM Author: razzmatazz bearded associate space Yup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480833) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Costumed supple roommate organic girlfriend That’s weird (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480849) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480795) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: wild ebony locus psychic It is the definition of speculative, in my opinion. Just because Watkins may have received a version of the FISA application does not mean she shared it with NYT. What we know about her history indicates she actually was not entirely forthcoming with the NYT. She said nothing after her phone records were subpoena'd.
Her stories also reveal nothing I can see beyond what is in the redacted versions. So it is possible the Intel committee version was in fact heavily redacted to begin with. On the other hand, the FOIA release could simply have been redacted to match what has been publically disclosed through news articles and/or the Nunes memo.
Either way, just because the Intel committee can look at classified docs, doesn't mean the executive agencies have to give them full versions of everything. I don't understand why Ali or NYT would sit on potentially explosive information if it were damning against Trump.
The only interesting thing from the FISA application release that we didn't know is that it is the document leaked by Wolfe on March 17, 2017. It also further confirms that Senator Warner is a complete scumbag, as evidenced by him trying to setup back channel discussions with Christopher Steele on March 17.
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: Hairraiser friendly grandma meetinghouse Good response (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480909) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:26 PM Author: razzmatazz bearded associate space It's plausible though.
Sundance is nothing if not speculative. TCTH is best understood as the musings of a somewhat obsessive 100-IQ guy with too much time on his hands. He's good at looking for coincidences, even though he's often off the reservation after that.
Literally a former grocer too. Odd case. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:36 PM Author: Beady-eyed pit How do we know it was unredacted? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480873) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Hairraiser friendly grandma meetinghouse That part is speculative but senate intelligence committee heads are allowed to see the top secret info that could have been otherwise redacted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480921) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: free-loading electric furnace preventive strike Cr. Could just be the dacted version. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032697&forum_id=2#36480923) |