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Talk me out of buying a Kimber Adirondack in 6.5 Creedmoor & Swaro Z3 scope
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Date: August 7th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Going on a caribou hunt in a couple of days. About to drop $2,500 on rifle and 4-12x50 Z3. My main hunting gun is a Kimber Montana chambered in .325 WSM with a Zeiss 3-9x40. Don't really need another gun, but I keep coming up with reasons... (my 9yo will be able to shoot it soon and go hunting with me).
https://www.kimberamerica.com/adirondack
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Date: August 7th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: Racy Angry Principal's Office Police Squad http://www.bergarausa.com/Bergara_Production_Rifles.php
I don’t know which is better, but one of these is on my wish list in 6.5.
If there is a blue wave, I’ll snap one up. |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 9:56 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Those are really nice rifles for sure. But I really want an 18" barrel for a suppressor/brake. Not too concerned with fps out of the barrel.
It was between the Kimber Adirondack or the new Barrett Fieldcraft. Both are significantly lighter than the Bergara. |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: dashing learning disabled public bath I’m not really an expert on caribou but I didn’t realize 6.5cm was big r ouch (barring excellent shot placement of course). I know that the creedmoor as an elk round is somewhat controversial.
Either way I love the creedmoor |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 9:54 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven I've killed a lot of moose and black bear with a 7mm-08. Not too different ballistically.
A friend just killed a 9' Grizz with a 6.5 cm with 143 gr factory load. |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 9:56 AM Author: dashing learning disabled public bath I love it. I’m planning on taking the 6.5cm for black bear this year and my brother thinks I’ve lost it.
Do you hand load? |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 9:59 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven I don't. That takes attention to detail and a certain amount of OCD that I completely lack. I have a lot of friends that reload though. I might have a buddy work up some loads for me. I'd like to find a 150-160 grain bullet for larger game. Apparently the 143 gr ELD-X are amazing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36568614) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: dashing learning disabled public bath Hornady makes a 160gr round nose. I think a 140gr solid can have the same terminal ballistics as a 150-160gr.
Good luck. When I was looking into the caliber I heard it described as “boringly accurate”, which I didn’t understand until I put 5 rounds into an inch at 200 yards my first time out. |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 10:07 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven You're not helping with talking me out of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36568671) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Racy Angry Principal's Office Police Squad UNNGGGH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36568958) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 9:55 AM Author: Sadistic alcoholic dog poop Do it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36568594) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 10:08 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven I'm also going to pick up a set of Vortex Fury rangefinding binos.
Talk me out of those. Can't justify Swaro or Leica |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:09 PM Author: Sadistic alcoholic dog poop brother I just spent $850 on a trijicon 1-6x optic. I'm not the one to "talk you out" of a gun purchase (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569595) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:13 PM Author: flickering scarlet heaven lol... I was torn between the Trijicon accupoint and the Swaro. Swaro had the better glass, but I sure wish they could figure out a way to get that lit reticle in there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569622) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: Sadistic alcoholic dog poop I got the trijicon accupoint 1-6 - uses fiber optics to light the dot (but frankly its so small that its hard to see). But it never requires batteries.
The accupowers are fucking sweet, I looked at the 1-4 and 1-8. Compared the "glass" next to some high end vortex and swaros. Just as good as far as I can tell. Wish they made a 1-6 accupower. |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: flickering scarlet heaven I've always liked Trijis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569746) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Sadistic alcoholic dog poop same. there's something super fucking sexy about them, and their stuff is built like a tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569768) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:36 PM Author: Hideous shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569792) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 10:51 AM Author: Racy Angry Principal's Office Police Squad I really should move to Alaska (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36568970) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 10:55 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven It's truly awesome 9 months out of the year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36568991) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 10:56 AM Author: Racy Angry Principal's Office Police Squad Do you live in the SW area along the coast? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36568999) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven On the Kenai Peninsula, near the coast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569003) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 5:41 PM Author: Racy Angry Principal's Office Police Squad interesting
I'm like 2% native american, the tribe that is from Chichagof Island. Tinglit or something. |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:17 PM Author: Hideous shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569644) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: tantric passionate wrinkle Long time Kimbermo here: don't buy a Kimber, generally speaking. Cohen (every single time) destroyed the company. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569085) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 11:13 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Fucking Cohen! He always benefits.
Seriously though... the Adirondack is getting great reviews. |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: tantric passionate wrinkle If you have a short lead time, it makes sense and $1700 isn't even that much for a good barrel/action.
I'm too afraid of Kimber rusting issues to every trust them again. |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven I don't maintain my rifles for shit and put them through the ringer. My Montana has held up amazingly well. Some rust spots don't bother me.
My 7mm-08 Rem 700 XCR (Extreme Corrosion Resistant) had the spring in the bolt rust completely out, and the firing pin would not engage. It was a $30 fix, but still... I've never done anything with my Montana and I can still shoot sub-moa @ 100 with .325 wsm. |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:15 PM Author: Hideous shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569635) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:15 PM Author: beady-eyed doobsian preventive strike messiness 28 Nosler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569636) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:24 PM Author: Hideous shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569706) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:29 PM Author: flickering scarlet heaven boring caliber to me. The Ruger American is a great bargain though. I hate the stock. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569742) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Hideous shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569786) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:50 PM Author: flickering scarlet heaven 30-06 is a great round, it's just too boring for me like the .308. In Alaska, most hunters shoot 30-06, .300 winmag, or .338 Winmag. All are great calibers. I used to shoot a .300 RUM and I hated the barrel length (28") because it always got caught in tree branches and also the recoil. It wasn't pleasant to shoot, but neither is my lightweight .325.
I'm looking for a capable super light rifle, that is actually fun to shoot. Hence the 6.5 CM. New caliber to me and it's getting tons of good reviews. |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 12:59 PM Author: Hideous shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36569957) |
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Date: August 7th, 2018 1:04 PM Author: beady-eyed doobsian preventive strike messiness 6.5 Creed, 7mm-08, and 308 are all basically identical except for the diameter of the bullet. On choosing a caliber, just figure out what grain of bullet you want to shoot and at what velocity and go from there. So what grain of bullet do you want to shoot and how fast do you want to push it? |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 12:33 AM Author: Chestnut sinister stead this. and one is a lot cheaper and more common than the rest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36583343) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 12:27 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Common sense did not prevail. Chalk one up for GC.
https://imgur.com/a/OgmH7yN |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 7:52 AM Author: Racy Angry Principal's Office Police Squad Sweet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36584023) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 12:32 AM Author: Chestnut sinister stead don't understand the 6.5 fad, nor the older WSM fad either for that matter. i prefer the tried and true. they're basically all the same out to 400 yards anyways. a lot of guys talk about kimber roulette on other forums. tikkas seem pretty popular for decent price (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36583341) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 12:50 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven I have 308's, 30-06,300 winmag, 338 rifles too. 6.5 CR may be a fad, but I'm super imposed by the research I've done.
Windage are great because you get large caliber in a short action. My 325 wsm is amazing at felt recoil compared to similar may calibers.
Yes, I'm one of the few Alaskan poasters |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 12:52 AM Author: Chestnut sinister stead do locals care about controlled round feed? i read a lot of forums and a lot of guys say they'd only take a CRF in Alaska. Do locals care about this? Also, do some guys in the rainy parts still use wood and blued rifles? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36583417) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 12:57 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven I never hear discussion about CRF. People do talk about the calibers they own, they're favorites, etc. Load work ups. Most people ate just using whatever gun they could get. I see lots of really old wooden stocks. I know a guy that goes moose hunting with his 44 mag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36583431) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: Chestnut sinister stead ever get into the brooks range? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36583440) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 7:29 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Not yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36583996) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 7:54 AM Author: Racy Angry Principal's Office Police Squad 6.5 is great if you want hit a, um, deer at 1000 yards. Don’t know why dirt got it for a hunting rifle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36584030) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven My kids will be hunting soon. I wanted a low recoil gun that is light enough for them to carry and shoot. 6.5 has taken thousands of moose in scandinavia. A friend just killed a grizzly with one shot at 600 yards. Mostly, it'll be my sheep and goat gun. It's unbelievably light. Right at 6 lbs scoped. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36584468) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 12:33 AM Author: Chestnut sinister stead are you in alaska? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36583345) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 9:54 AM Author: Fishy Marvelous Property Blood Rage Edit: NM. 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36584518) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven TY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36584747) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: flickering scarlet heaven First three shots out of the barrel at 100 yards. Factory Hornady ELD-X 143 gr
I think I’ve got a keeper
https://imgur.com/a/b2nj5FI |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Just checked sights on my .325 WSM. 3 shots at 100yards. I’d say I won the Kimber lottery. Both of my Kimbers shoot lights out.
https://imgur.com/a/7ETh9k7 |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: beady-eyed doobsian preventive strike messiness The 6.5 creedmoor fad comes from the fact that it's a great case to shoot a high BC bullet. 6.5 CM can be had in a short action rifle (reduced weight). High grain (140gr+) 6.5 bullets have high BCs, which mean more resistant to wind drift at longer distances and able to carry more energy at impact at further distances. The case design (brass) of the round has steeper shoulders and longer necks, which allows you to seat the longer, higher grain bullets further out inside the brass than you normally would because the longer necks allow you to maintain tension on the bullet. This is important because the further the bullet is inside the case means there is less room for powder, thus potentially hampering velocity due to a decrease in powder. So with the 6.5 CM, you can seat the bullet out further due to the long neck of the case without having to lower powder charge, thus able to maximize velocities as much as possible.
It's a great round for recreational target shooting for the reasons listed above. It's properties are conducive for long range shooting because you can launch those high BC 140gr+ bullets with mild recoil and mild cost. To get the same BCs with a 308 (7.62) caliber bullet, you need to step up to 210gr+ bullets, which are going to cost more and require a larger case (thus more powder) to get them going at the needed velocities (e.g. 300 Win Mag). All this comes at a cost of more $$$ for powder and reloading supplies, as well as punishment on your shoulder due to the recoil sustained from shooting these for any sort of extended range session. If you're wanting to target practice out to, say, 750 yards, would you rather shoot 20 rounds of 6.5 CM or 20 rounds of 300 Win Mag? One is going to be pleasant to shoot and the other one is going to beat you up pretty good, especially with a light weight rifle like Kimber produces.
But if you're hunting, 99% of people's shots will be within 250 yards. With that range, there's no real difference in a 6.5 Creed, 7mm-08, or 308. So you might as well go with the 308 because it produces a bigger hole in the animal and gives you the option of stepping up to 180gr bullets, which you can't do with the others. |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Is this copy pasta? I already have three .308's. A fine caliber, but I'm certainly not going to buy another when I already have three of them.
I realize the limitations of the 6.5, but I was looking for an ultra lightweight gun, with a small enough caliber that the kids could shoot it, and an accurate rifle. This rifle was designed for alpine sheep/goat hunting. Basically, I bought a cool new caliber in a gun that meets all my requirements. I'm thrilled with it. It's got such low recoil that it would be fun to shoot, as opposed to my boomer .325. |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 5:14 PM Author: beady-eyed doobsian preventive strike messiness No, just typed it up.
I'm not knocking any caliber or gun. Just giving the realities of it all. If I had to have one rifle for hunting in North America, it'd be something light weight in a 308. But what fun is only having one rifle?
Check out the 26 Nosler. 6.5mm with a shit ton of powder behind it. You can shoot those heavy 140 to 160gr bullets at well over 3,200fps. You could sight the rifle in at 250-300 yards and not have to do any adjusting in terms of hold over or anything until past 450-500 yards. Basically a totally flat shooting rifle out to 450-500 yards. |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: flickering scarlet heaven I'll look into it.
Also, sometimes you have to take sheep and goats at 550-650 yards, if you're confident in your shooting ability. I've never shot anything past 100 yards though. |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 7:27 PM Author: beady-eyed doobsian preventive strike messiness also check out the 28 Nosler if you want a big 7 (7mm/.284). You can shoot a 180gr. bullet with a BC of .796 (huge!) at over 3,100 fps, that's 3,842 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle. This would be a long range death machine.
I personally like a 308 for hunting deer east of Kansas where most shots are within 300 yards and use a 7mm Rem Mag or 28 Nosler for anything out west where I'm shooting 500+ yards potentially.
But getting back to the topic, 6.5 Creedmoor is perfect for a first gun for young teenager. It'll easily kill anything up to elk (I know it'll kill elk, but I'd want something stouter personally) and if you ever start to reload, the design of the case makes it ideals for reloading and long range shooting.
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Date: August 10th, 2018 8:06 AM Author: Racy Angry Principal's Office Police Squad Lol just do shoot a goat at 550 yards (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36590920) |
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Date: August 10th, 2018 9:19 AM Author: beady-eyed doobsian preventive strike messiness what's wrong with that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36591141) |
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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:44 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven TITCWWWT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36614035) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 5:14 PM Author: Heady toaster legal warrant http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4045141&mc=6&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36587543) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 7:42 PM Author: costumed home national security agency Get a Sako in .270 Lapua, faggot. 6.5 is flame unless you're loading your own rounds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36588257) |
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Date: August 9th, 2018 7:44 PM Author: beady-eyed doobsian preventive strike messiness ".270 Lapua" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36588263) |
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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:43 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Here are some real world results.
6.5 Creedmoor. 1 shot, double lung. Just as dead as most any other caliber. See bullet hole in last pic.
My kimber Adirondack in first pic.
https://imgur.com/a/zWIuRi1 |
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Date: August 15th, 2018 1:07 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Somebody view.
https://imgur.com/a/zWIuRi1 |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36624885) |
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Date: August 15th, 2018 12:27 AM Author: Chestnut sinister stead do you wear those "alaskan slippers?" aka xtratuf rubber boots? heard quality went to shit after move to CHYNA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36618940) |
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Date: August 15th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Of course. Great boots,even the new chinese ones. Never knew xtra tuff were an Alaskan thing. Normal attire for me is carhartts and xtrys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36618958) |
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Date: August 17th, 2018 12:00 AM Author: Chestnut sinister stead how often do you run into grizzlies? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36630938) |
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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:55 PM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Not too often. I've actually never seen one while hunting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36635432) |
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Date: August 18th, 2018 7:02 AM Author: Chestnut sinister stead what area do you live in and what area do you typically hunt in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36637722) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:52 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Kenai peninsula (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36652858) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 12:55 AM Author: Chestnut sinister stead heard guys in Alaska prefer Helly Hansen Impertech over Goretex. Is this true? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36652863) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:52 AM Author: flickering scarlet heaven Depends. I wear a brand called kryptek for rain gear and a hodge podge of kuiu and Sitka gear. Impertech is good stuff though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4044356&forum_id=2#36653135) |