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More Strikeouts Than Hits? Welcome to Baseballs Latest Crisis (NYT)

More Strikeouts Than Hits? Welcome to Baseball’s Latest Cris...
Pearly Demanding Range
  08/16/18
I imagine we'll see a smaller strike zone next year
Sable Dingle Berry Temple
  08/16/18
officially in the rules, or umps just more generous?
Pearly Demanding Range
  08/16/18
Umps being more generous (to hitters I mean) They've done...
Sable Dingle Berry Temple
  08/16/18
i dont remember that in the 90s. did selig call for it?
Pearly Demanding Range
  08/16/18
See link - sounds like it
Sable Dingle Berry Temple
  08/16/18
ty
Pearly Demanding Range
  08/16/18
"OFFENTH!!" lisped the moronic pro sports league e...
Slimy flesh church building
  08/16/18
You have 4 free articles remaining.
supple pozpig den
  08/16/18
you obviously love great journalism
Slimy flesh church building
  08/16/18
Make Your Daughter Practice Math. She’ll Thank You Later.
supple pozpig den
  08/16/18
refusing to bunt is just the stathead version of non-stathea...
Orchid adulterous ladyboy
  08/16/18
Baseball is horrible. The game I grew up playing and watchi...
Cowardly nursing home
  08/16/18
what game did you grow up watching? i agree that the emphasi...
Orchid adulterous ladyboy
  08/16/18
lol no it isn't, don't be retarded
supple pozpig den
  08/16/18
I grew up watching baseball in the late-80s/early-90s. Duri...
Cowardly nursing home
  08/16/18
That is not accurate.
misunderstood lodge
  08/16/18
Poast/Moniker/Synergy
misunderstood lodge
  08/16/18
Baseball is fine. It's just gakked out ADHD screen-addicted ...
adventurous skinny woman legal warrant
  08/16/18
its for advertisers, since they need to break for the manage...
Slimy flesh church building
  08/16/18
And stolen bases are down. Stolen bases are one of the few ...
misunderstood lodge
  08/16/18
cr stolen bases, infield hits, triples, the rare suicide squ...
supple pozpig den
  08/16/18
My team did a suicide squeeze recently and I suicide squeeze...
misunderstood lodge
  08/16/18
Hit and run
adventurous skinny woman legal warrant
  08/16/18
Nothing better than watching your speedy centerfielder attem...
electric ticket booth
  08/16/18
As he breaks his thumb and goes on the DL
misunderstood lodge
  08/16/18
This is really only a problem for mediocre pitchers. As a f...
misunderstood lodge
  08/16/18
Baseball fan for 30+ years but i thought the astros/dodgers ...
Arousing stock car hell
  08/16/18
Look, I like jokes....
misunderstood lodge
  08/16/18
...
electric ticket booth
  08/16/18
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odious really tough guy
  08/17/18
It was horrible for me as a Dodgers fan. Games 2 and 5 give ...
violent green stead filthpig
  08/17/18
It's stupid when people act like this isn't an issue. Articl...
Bearded meetinghouse
  08/16/18
Always a pumo.
electric ticket booth
  08/19/18
Honestly I like a pitchers' duel more than a 8-7 game
violent green stead filthpig
  08/17/18


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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:24 PM
Author: Pearly Demanding Range

More Strikeouts Than Hits? Welcome to Baseball’s Latest Crisis

This could be the first season in major league history to feature more strikeouts than hits, a slowdown that worries many league officials.

CreditDaniel Zakroczemski

By Tyler Kepner

Aug. 16, 2018

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One thing you learn from studying baseball history is that people have always predicted the sport’s demise. Over and over, the game weathers every perceived crisis and continues to thrive. More than 70 million fans will attend major league games this season; another 40 million or so will go to minor league games. Countless more watch the sport on television and online.

And yet attendance is down, and more and more balls are being kept out of play. Some longtime observers consider the shifting landscape — hitters swinging for the fences, pitchers throwing everything with maximum effort, fielders standing in unusual spots — and wonder what has happened to their game.

“Keith and I were talking, and I said, ‘You know, our window is probably three years until we can’t work anymore,’ because the game is going to be so different,” said Ron Darling, the former Mets pitcher and broadcast partner of Keith Hernandez, the former Mets first baseman. “I mean, what was fair is foul, and what’s foul is fair.”

This could be the first season in major league history to feature more strikeouts than hits, a slowdown that worries many league officials. Thirty years ago, batters compiled nearly 13,000 more hits than strikeouts. Last season, that edge dwindled to about 2,000. This season, through Tuesday, it was nearly even, with hits only slightly ahead: 30,422 hits, 30,341 strikeouts.

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9.06 hits

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4.80 strikeouts

Statistics through WednesdaySource: Baseball-reference.comBy The New York Times

Fifteen years ago, only seven qualified pitchers averaged 8.4 strikeouts per nine innings. Now, 8.4 is the major league average. Collectively, batters are hitting .248, the lowest average since 1972, the year before baseball introduced the designated hitter.

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“There’s going to be a breaking point,” Erik Neander, the general manager of the Tampa Bay Rays, said. “In terms of purely watching a baseball game, seeing a few hundred pitches a night that aren’t put in play, there’s not a lot about that that’s entertainment. People don’t come to see the umpire call a ball or a strike or a foul ball. I think it’s something we have to be mindful of, because this is an entertainment business, and we are here for the fans.”

Fans may be sending a signal that the modern game — focused so much on power pitching and power hitting — is losing its appeal. Attendance across the majors is down an average of about 1,500 per game, with 18 teams experiencing a drop from last year.

When he talks with fans, Commissioner Rob Manfred said last month, he hears the same concerns over and over: the downtime between balls in play and the rise of strikeouts, shifts and bullpen usage.

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“I think everyone realizes what’s going on,” Manfred said.

The worry, for baseball, is that the changes on the field could make the product less appealing for future customers. While declining interest is often tied to the local team’s outlook, especially if that team is rebuilding, the increasing emphasis on keeping balls out of play — by throwing the ball past hitters or bashing it over the fence — seems out of touch with modern tastes.

“I just wonder if the issue has to do with the parts that appeal to people now in sports,” said the Houston Astros’ Charlie Morton, who reinvented himself as a power pitcher and became a first-time All-Star last month at 34 years old. “Do people like the chess game, or do they like quick action?”

In football and basketball, analytics and rule changes have promoted more action: the passing game rules the N.F.L., and 3-pointers reign in the N.B.A. In baseball, though, the reverse holds true. For a pitcher, the surest way to get an out is to strike out the opponent, thus eliminating all fielding variables. For a batter, the easiest way to score a run is to do it with one big swing.

Home runs made up 10 percent of the hits in the 2014 season. That percentage spiked in ensuing years, rising to 11.7 percent in 2015, 13.3 percent in 2016, and a stunning 14.5 percent last season, which had a record number of homers. This season, home runs account for 13.6 percent of hits through Tuesday.

“We know now, just like we did 15 years ago, that home runs are the best way to score runs, the most efficient way to get back to home plate,” said David Forst, the general manager of the Oakland Athletics, a surprise contender thriving with a power-packed lineup. “That’s sort of our style, and those are the hitters we go after. The patience and power profile is something we’ve never tried to get away from.”

Forst’s boss, Billy Beane, the team’s executive vice president for baseball operations, helped spark teams’ reliance on data as the subject of “Moneyball,” Michael Lewis’s landmark book in 2003. The lesson of the book was in the importance of finding undervalued assets to gain an edge; it was not purely an ode to numbers. But every team, to varying degrees, now employs a team of analysts seeking to uncover hidden value in the data.

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Lorenzo Cain after striking out in a game in May. Cain, one of the leading hitters in the National League this season, said, "We try to adjust as hitters, but it’s a different style of ball now."CreditDavid Zalubowski/Associated Press

Athleticism vs. Analytics

No team mines the data more diligently than the Astros, whose general manager, Jeff Luhnow, came to the executive ranks with an Ivy League education, an extensive business background and no professional playing experience.

Luhnow acknowledged that extreme infield shifts spring directly from data, which — quite logically — encourages fielders to play in spots where batters are most likely to hit the ball, and thus encourages batters to hit balls over the shift and into the seats. But the power game, Luhnow said, has more to do with athleticism than analytics.

“Look at these guys last night,” he said before a recent game, after a succession of unheralded Oakland pitchers had dominated the Astros’ brawny lineup. “I mean, where are these guys coming from? How are you supposed to hit off these guys? And every team we face has guys starting in the sixth inning throwing 100 miles an hour with breaking balls.

“Granted, technology’s allowing them to fine-tune their repertoire and know how to use it, but holy cow, the development of these athletes — in the past you’d see one out of 100 guys in the big leagues like that. Now, they’re more common than they’re not. Of course, Nolan Ryan and those guys always existed, but there was maybe one in a division. There weren’t four or five in every bullpen.”

Amateur pitchers often train specifically to build velocity, inspired by examples like Trevor Bauer, the Cleveland Indians right-hander who made himself into a star with help from the data-driven Driveline Baseball program near Seattle. Teams covet hard throwers and select from that ever-expanding pool, flooding their farm system with heat — not just in the bullpen, and not just with fastballs.

“I was in low-A last year and you saw guys in the mid- to upper-90s starting,” Buddy Reed, a top outfield prospect for the San Diego Padres, said. “Usually you see that out of the pen, and the starters would be 89 to 93, which is a lot different. Now you’ve got to be ready, like, right away — because not only is their fastball good, but they’re throwing harder sliders, harder curveballs and harder changeups, too, with a lot of movement.”

Reed spoke last month in Washington before the Futures Game, which featured eight home runs (doubling the record for the 20-year-old event) and 16 strikeouts. Two days later, the major leaguers set a record for homers in the All-Star Game, with 10 in 10 innings, while fanning 25 times.

Velocity was the story. Fifteen of the 18 pitchers in the All-Star Game threw a pitch at least 96 miles per hour, and everyone threw at least 93.8 m.p.h. — one m.p.h. faster than the average major league fastball, according to Fangraphs. The 92.8 average matches last year’s for the highest in Fangraphs’ data, which dates to 2002.

“We try to adjust as hitters, but it’s a different style of ball now,” Milwaukee Brewers outfielder Lorenzo Cain said. “Guys are throwing a lot more breaking balls in hitter’s counts. You can’t really cheat to a fastball anymore. I feel like pitching is going to continue to get better and better. As far as hitting, I don’t know how that’s going to go.”

Defying the strikeout trend is rare; those who do it often earn World Series rings. The 2015 Royals and the 2017 Astros had the fewest strikeouts in the majors and wound up winning the championship. But it is not easy, even for hitters who have managed to cut their strikeout rates in recent years, like Joey Votto of the Cincinnati Reds.

“Hitting is much harder than it was when I entered the league,” said Votto, a 12-year veteran. “Lots of things feel different. The strike zone feels a little different, the shift is something. In the past, at times when you were struggling, you’d think about hitting a one-hopper through the infield and that was a hit and that would get you going. But now, with each and every adjustment to the game, it feels like there’s fewer and fewer options. Especially as a left-handed hitter, you have to be very near perfect to be successful.”

The sinker has gone out of vogue, partly because the pitch, which can tail off the plate, cannot reliably be called for a strike. Encouraged by launch-angle data and the narrower strike zone, many hitters have tailored their swings to lift the low pitch.

The north-south approach to pitching — fastballs up and curveballs down — now reigns, although the overall percentage of fastballs keeps dropping, from 64.4 percent in 2002 to 55.2 percent this season, and slider usage is rising. More pitchers are scrapping traditional patterns, and have the stuff to do it.

“I think pitchers are better than ever right now,” said David Ortiz, the former Boston Red Sox slugger, dismissing the notion he hears from other retired players that the game was better in the old days. “Bro, the talent out there right now is stupid crazy. You see guys throwing 100, snapping breaking balls, throwing good changeups in hitters’ counts.”

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Max Scherzer of the Nationals, a three-time Cy Young Award winner, leads the league in strikeouts.CreditScott Taetsch/Getty Images

Celebrating Pitchers

Pitchers, naturally, would prefer to be appreciated for their skills rather than treated as a problem. Baseball has a long history of stacking rules against the pitchers: banning the spitball in 1920, lowering the mound in 1969, creating the D.H. in 1973 and tacitly condoning steroid use in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

“Baseball has a way of correcting itself,” Sean Doolittle, the Washington Nationals’ closer, said. “Any response we have would be an unfair, kneejerk reaction to this thing. Why aren’t we talking about how awesome pitchers are? We’re really good. We have guys throwing harder than ever with nastier stuff. Celebrate that. It’s not bad.”

Hitters understand the futility of trying to score with a flurry of hits against dominant pitchers and over-shifted fielders. League officials have no way to regulate velocity or suppress the quality of breaking balls, but they could mandate that two infielders play on either side of second base, effectively killing the shift.

Now that so many teams use shifts, Luhnow said, the competitive advantage is all but gone; he would be open to experimenting with a ban in the minors. The players’ union would probably oppose the idea in the majors, and has so far resisted invitations from Manfred to discuss possible on-field changes.

“You can’t change the way the competitive people that run clubs are thinking about the game because they think they’ve figured out the way to win more games,” Manfred said. “The only option available to us is to have dialogue with the people that play the game every day and figure out what rules, if any, ought to be put in place to kind of check, or manage, these organic developments that are ongoing.”

Last winter’s sluggish free-agent market has made many players suspicious of owners’ motives and reluctant to cooperate on fundamental changes. Players are generally protective of the game, believing that on-field trends merely reflect the ability of highly skilled athletes to respond to the owners’ incentives.

“No matter what the game throws at them, they are talented enough to adjust to it,” Tony Clark, the executive director of the players’ association, said. “And they have.”

In other words, with analytics encouraging power pitching and power hitting — and the patience to wait for pitches to drive and accept the risk of strikeouts — the players are simply giving front offices the game they want.

“It’s all about scoring the most runs and creating wins,” Max Scherzer, the Nationals’ three-time Cy Young Award winner, said. “That’s what drives this. This is how you win baseball games. If you’re trying to win 90 to 100 games, this is the formula. That’s how the G.M.s have formulated it.”

With that formula, at times, comes a lack of nuance from a game that should have so much to offer — daring base runners, far-ranging fielders, pitchers finding ways to last deep into games. Strikeouts may not be boring and fascist, as Crash Davis memorably said in “Bull Durham,” but they are eclipsing everything else in the game.

For the moment, anyway.

“Any time something’s different, people want to categorize it as good or bad, and it’s probably neither,” Bauer said. “It appeals to a certain fan base more and it appeals to a certain fan base less.

“And there will be adaptation, for sure. Hitters aren’t just going to sit here and continue getting punched out for years and years and years. They’re going to make some sort of adjustment to that. It’ll all equal out.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/sports/baseball-mlb-strikeouts.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626597)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:25 PM
Author: Sable Dingle Berry Temple

I imagine we'll see a smaller strike zone next year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626607)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:25 PM
Author: Pearly Demanding Range

officially in the rules, or umps just more generous?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626609)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: Sable Dingle Berry Temple

Umps being more generous (to hitters I mean)

They've done this in the past too, I remember some uproar in the 90s about umps unofficially changing the zone.

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/06/sports/baseball-notebook-strike-zone-change-hurts-braves-aces.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626611)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:27 PM
Author: Pearly Demanding Range

i dont remember that in the 90s. did selig call for it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626618)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:27 PM
Author: Sable Dingle Berry Temple

See link - sounds like it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626620)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: Pearly Demanding Range

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626631)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:28 PM
Author: Slimy flesh church building

"OFFENTH!!" lisped the moronic pro sports league executive as he ruined a beloved pastime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626625)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: supple pozpig den

You have 4 free articles remaining.

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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: Slimy flesh church building

you obviously love great journalism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626644)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: supple pozpig den

Make Your Daughter Practice Math. She’ll Thank You Later.

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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: Orchid adulterous ladyboy

refusing to bunt is just the stathead version of non-statheads being "too stuck in their ways"

the early 2000s sabermetric circlejerk was opb over power. they would be shitting themselves if their power hitters weren't taking a free base when it was given to them and swinging for the fences instead, especially if the rest of the team has good OBPs. some team will start taking advantage and the trend will turn.

also it's clear that coaches haven't been teaching bunting well enough. that will start more at the minor league level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626645)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: Cowardly nursing home

Baseball is horrible. The game I grew up playing and watching is long gone. It's gotten to the point where I'm more excited by singles, well-executed sacrifices and even routine infield put outs, than home runs and strikeouts. I went to two games in the past two weeks, great seats right on the third base dugout, and was bored out of my mind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626666)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: Orchid adulterous ladyboy

what game did you grow up watching? i agree that the emphasis on power sucks but it's basically the same as the steroid era.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626686)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: supple pozpig den

lol no it isn't, don't be retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626692)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:17 PM
Author: Cowardly nursing home

I grew up watching baseball in the late-80s/early-90s. During that period there was an average of around 23,000 strikeouts/year. Players struck out more than 40,000 times in 2017. (Also, compare that to the height of the steroid era where strikeouts came in around 32k).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626844)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:43 PM
Author: misunderstood lodge

That is not accurate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626985)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:43 PM
Author: misunderstood lodge

Poast/Moniker/Synergy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626982)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:40 PM
Author: adventurous skinny woman legal warrant

Baseball is fine. It's just gakked out ADHD screen-addicted freaks who complain because they have no attention span. Only thing I'd do is make pitching changes faster. Relievers already warm up in the bullpen. Why do they need another 5 minutes on the field. Should be they can come in, throw one warm up pitch, and then get started.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626974)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:43 PM
Author: Slimy flesh church building

its for advertisers, since they need to break for the manager to come out and the trot anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626984)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:42 PM
Author: misunderstood lodge

And stolen bases are down. Stolen bases are one of the few gasp-moments in baseball.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626979)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:44 PM
Author: supple pozpig den

cr stolen bases, infield hits, triples, the rare suicide squeeze are all 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626992)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:45 PM
Author: misunderstood lodge

My team did a suicide squeeze recently and I suicide squeezed in my pants.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626997)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: adventurous skinny woman legal warrant

Hit and run

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36627046)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:50 PM
Author: electric ticket booth

Nothing better than watching your speedy centerfielder attempt a steal and decrease your team's chance of winning the game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36627028)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:57 PM
Author: misunderstood lodge

As he breaks his thumb and goes on the DL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36627068)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:45 PM
Author: misunderstood lodge

This is really only a problem for mediocre pitchers. As a fan, watching Sale or Verlander record a strikeout is fucking awesome. But for the fifth guy on the Orioles or Rays who gives a fuck?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36626993)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:56 PM
Author: Arousing stock car hell

Baseball fan for 30+ years but i thought the astros/dodgers ws was horrible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36627061)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:58 PM
Author: misunderstood lodge

Look, I like jokes....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36627070)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:59 PM
Author: electric ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36627075)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 12:14 PM
Author: odious really tough guy



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Date: August 17th, 2018 12:32 PM
Author: violent green stead filthpig

It was horrible for me as a Dodgers fan. Games 2 and 5 give me PTSD Flashbacks, but cmon all the crazy lead changes was nuts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36632910)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 11:59 PM
Author: Bearded meetinghouse

It's stupid when people act like this isn't an issue. Articles like this are the only thing that is getting discussed in baseball. It's obviously an issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36630934)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:45 AM
Author: electric ticket booth

Always a pumo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36643257)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 12:11 PM
Author: violent green stead filthpig

Honestly I like a pitchers' duel more than a 8-7 game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053310&forum_id=2#36632782)