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who is *the* most credited 20th century philosopher?
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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:17 PM Author: Cyan Exciting Set frege, wittgenstein, kripke, rawls, tarksi, popper, godel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36626847) |
Date: August 16th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: Naked range foucault jk he sucks |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36627191) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:50 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal senate multi-billionaire He's like the John the Baptist of sjw thought. Odd case he died an aids riddled bag of bones in the bay area. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629040) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 7:30 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629269) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 7:33 PM Author: Naked range "Excuse me sir, I--" *briefcase full of Foucault's word vomit falls open* |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 7:34 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629287) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 7:42 PM Author: Naked range *walks into your salon, points squarely at you, and declares "vous êtes une fraude"* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629337) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 7:45 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629358) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:16 PM Author: Stirring navy trump supporter foucault was actually RIGHT about a lot of stuff. ie, he called out psychiatrists as lying frauds (they were). he predicted that states and corporations would join together to "measure" and control the people within their populations for various purposes ("biopower"). he was a degenerate GRIDS-ridden faggot, but his paranoia and cynicism caused him to be rather prescient about social trends he saw in the 50's through the 70's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629947) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36626851) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Cyan Exciting Set rawls? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36626862) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628107) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 4:13 PM Author: Cyan Exciting Set he sucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628132) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: sticky water buffalo casino wittgenstein, dewey or strauss and bertrand russell. i'd say the W wins it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36626858) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: sticky water buffalo casino that's all they teach. you want to read sartre and camus and call that learning? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36626868) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: haunting cowardly persian temple i think either wittgenstein or heidegger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36626866) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:23 PM Author: free-loading mediation Very poor transPOC representation in the options, denying their lived experiences, highly problematic, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36626876) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:23 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36626878) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Naked range forget trans for a second, who would be the GOAT POC philosopher? has there even been a single one? not counting azns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36626884) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36627162) |
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Date: August 17th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: Naked range depends if you count theology/mysticism stuff as pure philosophy or not. but to be fair, I guess everyone would consider Aquinas or Kierkegaard philosophers, so I would say it counts |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Pearl Black Woman Trailer Park What about Bertie Russell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36626886) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: Big karate Technically, Nietzsche (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36627178) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: Zippy hairless immigrant orchestra pit 15 October 1844 – 25 August 1900
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Date: August 16th, 2018 11:28 PM Author: Racy coiffed box office Some are born posthumously dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36630753) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: passionate kitchen digit ratio Probably Aristotle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36627192) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: indecent ratface volcanic crater Hayek (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36627316) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: bonkers area Wittgenstein (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36627333) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: heady red alpha ITT: philo shitheads
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Date: August 16th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: shimmering boyish travel guidebook stage thanks for your opinion, incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628096) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: elite bespoke field round eye Sartre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628044) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 4:03 PM Author: Ocher Stead Gaping none. philosophy in the 20th century has been a joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628085) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 4:11 PM Author: pink thirsty becky No more so than any other century Aristotle was literally 100iq spaceporn |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: Ocher Stead Gaping wow...
ill just ignore that and assume u arent real. |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: haunting cowardly persian temple hubbard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628090) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 4:10 PM Author: garnet hospital Derrida Baudrillard Deleuze |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: garnet hospital They aren't credited? They aren't philosophers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628166) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628175) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 4:13 PM Author: pink thirsty becky Godel was a mathematician... Otherwise wittgenstein = shakespeare of phil Kripke ~ chaucer maybe |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:27 PM Author: bonkers area It seems obvious it is Wittgenstein. Not sure how this is much of a debate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628912) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:28 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628919) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:35 PM Author: Naked range I poasted about this but I recently tried to read his Tractatus, vaguely understood the first 40 pages or so of propositions, then he got into hardcore formal logic and that shit sailed way the fuck over my head. I would need like 15 extra IQ points at least to get it. Blatantly obvious he was a genius (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628957) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:37 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628969) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:45 PM Author: Naked range Nietzsche was the same way, although much more intelligible. Frequently said that his work would not be understood by most and that's the way he wanted it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629010) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:46 PM Author: Cracking business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629019) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:56 PM Author: Naked range yeah most people latch onto the ubermensch and Will to Power stuff and read it all as proto-Nazi shit, which is way off. He fucking hated German culture, as much or more than Christianity. He basically thought they were boring cucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629075) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:43 PM Author: bonkers area A genius and a very strange guy. His biography would be hard to believe if it was fiction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629000) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:43 PM Author: Lavender Titillating Elastic Band Locale In terms of IQ and influence, hard to top Wittgenstein. He was a legit 170 IQ bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36628997) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:47 PM Author: Ocher Stead Gaping and what did he discover about the world? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629021) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:52 PM Author: Naked range "Without philosophy, thoughts are, as it were, cloudy and indistinct: its task is to make them clear and to give them sharp boundaries." "What can be said at all can be said clearly, and what we cannot talk about we must pass over in silence." He was the most successful thinker of all time in the domain of articulating complex subjects in extraordinarily definitive language. I've never read anything else like it. His stuff is basically math in verbal form. |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 7:00 PM Author: Ocher Stead Gaping he was a gay autist, in other words? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629101) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 7:02 PM Author: Naked range he actually was gay (or bi, if you believe such a thing is possible in men) but he was also a decorated officer on the front lines of WWI |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 7:10 PM Author: Brindle public bath and childhood friend of uncle A.
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:46 PM Author: Brindle public bath Wittgenstein and it's not too close.
any other answer has to come with a "hot take" disclaimer. |
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Date: August 17th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: 180 Sound Barrier Indian Lodge Liberal protestants rely heavily on Wittgenstein. You're not a liberal protestant, are you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36631992) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:48 PM Author: olive partner William James by a long shot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629028) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:51 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal senate multi-billionaire Trump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629046) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 7:13 PM Author: Stirring navy trump supporter heidegger's essay on technology was a big influence on uncle ted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629184) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 7:53 PM Author: Smoky Tripping Cuckold Hayek, Foucault, Lacan, Heidegger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629399) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:13 PM Author: Cyan Exciting Set ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629921) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 7:54 PM Author: nudist university Lenin. Leninism won even if Marxism lost. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629407) |
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Date: August 17th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: Big karate Sup, Willard? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36633237) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:22 PM Author: Cyan Exciting Set correct answer was tarski. sorry, proles. thread's been locked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36629994) |
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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:05 PM Author: bonkers area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36635127) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:24 PM Author: Stirring navy trump supporter lol his "theory of truth" isn't even a complete theory; it's basically him yammering about how MAYBE certain things are true, but (tee-hee!) maybe they AREN'T. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36630005) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:30 PM Author: Mentally impaired point prole i wouldn't know, but what i do know is that david lewis had a really good reputation, like as a person, among other philosophers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36630061) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 9:36 PM Author: olive partner I had to read his paper on possible worlds in an intro to philosophy class I took. What a waste of time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36630098) |
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Date: August 16th, 2018 10:05 PM Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Property "Why are you here?!" "Why am I here? Why are you here? Why is anyone here? Didn't Jean Paul Sartre have something to say about that?" |
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Date: August 17th, 2018 10:51 AM Author: irate shrine Wow. I'm not sure whether to be disappointed or pleasantly surprised that no one said Hitler yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36632228) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2018 8:46 AM Author: Mentally impaired point prole shut up bel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36669724) |
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Date: August 17th, 2018 6:00 PM Author: bat shit crazy space Avital Ronell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36635110) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2018 8:47 AM Author: Mint Knife Scruton (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36669726) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2018 8:53 AM Author: charismatic frum macaca whorehouse QUINE. dunno if he was the greatest, but he was the most credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4053357&forum_id=2#36669740) |