NYT acknowleges connection between race and IQ the jig is up
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Date: August 19th, 2018 1:04 AM Author: Awkward Hunting Ground Roommate
phone poasting but one of the worst that jumped out at me below. and this was a times pick
NYC, NYMarch 23
Times Pick
Spare me the concerned scientist posture.
If you are a researcher who believes that genetics predicts performance on an IQ test, you also have to concede that the differences in performance on those tests between groups has changed over time with the lowest performing groups showing improvement and performance among all groups improving over time. This disproves the thesis that intelligence, whatever that is, is genetic and shows that environment most certainly plays a role.
Is Dr. Reich asserting that there has been some dramatic change in the genetic makeup of all these groups over the course of two or three generations? If such a change occurred, it should be easy to find so where is the data?
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/18/15655638/charles-murray-race-...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055169&forum_id=2#36642054) |
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Date: August 19th, 2018 1:07 AM Author: greedy white pit
Naishadh
Fremont, CAMarch 23
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Equating genetics with "race" is how slavery, Jim Crow laws, and subjugation of fellow human beings is justified. If we don't understand that, we are condemned to repeat the mistakes of the past.
May I suggest repeat the "crimes" of the past!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055169&forum_id=2#36642069)
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Date: August 19th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: magenta stirring tanning salon
AND NOW THE BACKLASH:
Slate: Stop Talking About Race and IQ
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/stop-talking-about-race-and-iq-take-it-from-someone-who-did.html
The race-and-IQ debate is back. The latest round started a few weeks ago when Harvard geneticist David Reich wrote a New York Times op-ed in defense of race as a biological fact. The piece resurfaced Sam Harris’ year-old Waking Up podcast interview with Charles Murray, co-author of The Bell Curve, and launched a Twitter debate between Harris and Vox’s Ezra Klein. Klein then responded to Harris and Reich in Vox, Harris fired back, and Andrew Sullivan went after Klein. Two weeks ago, Klein and Harris released a two-hour podcast in which they fruitlessly continued their dispute.
Here’s my advice: You can talk about the genetics of race. You can talk about the genetics of intelligence. But stop implying they’re the same thing. Connecting intelligence to race adds nothing useful. It overextends the science you’re defending, and it engulfs the whole debate in moral flames.
I’m not asking anyone to deny science. What I’m asking for is clarity. The genetics of race and the genetics of intelligence are two different fields of research. I
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055169&forum_id=2#36642846) |
Date: August 19th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: Lascivious Alcoholic Roast Beef Temple
Sneak peak at liberals’ end game (from Ezra Klein). If IQ is really genetic, then smarter races must be forced to subsidize less smart races:
“If you say that our IQ is genetic and environmental, but at any rate, it’s not our fault, because we don’t choose either one of those, and there’s not much we can do about it. Not just our IQ, but something you’ve said is that, you know, a lot of traits come down like this — the big five personality traits, determination. Look, you can connect genetic inheritance to divorce. I think it’s a .2 or .4 correlation. So, if you begin to believe that, actually you begin to ask the question of, should, do we deserve what we have?
Should society be vastly more redistributed than it actually is? Should we be much less within this construct that what we’re getting, we’re getting because of hard work and determination and intelligence and the application of our talents? In fact, we need to move to something that is, I’m not literally advocating this, but more in the range of full socialism.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055169&forum_id=2#36642881) |
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