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Seems like for how much work it takes to be Big Law partner, comp isn't that gre

at. All those years toiling away through being an assoc...
180 violent garrison goal in life
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100% agree. My life isnt any better now than when I made 300...
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180 violent garrison goal in life
  08/19/18
tell me how to make 200-300k relatively easily
titillating chartreuse station
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Go solo. I could make 200 working 10 hours a week. So can yo...
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comical university
  08/19/18
PPP is 2-6 million at major firms You probably hit those ...
Haunting topaz area
  08/19/18
nah, the mean exceeds the median. rainmakers now take as mu...
doobsian market corn cake
  08/19/18
The multiple is more like 20-25x at a lot of firms
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The real key is to make partner in the 1980s.
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Cr as fuck. Then you can just go into chill politics and mak...
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The point is that toiling away has low returns as you point ...
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Bright Office Regret
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Very good poa Colt tp "Guess what? Grinders don't br...
180 violent garrison goal in life
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also, how do you get clients when your clients at a v20sih f...
Cowardly angry friendly grandma community account
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When you see a Russian oligarch across the room at Le Bernar...
180 violent garrison goal in life
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rainmaker bro i primarily work with is all over me about biz...
Trip deep organic girlfriend prole
  08/19/18
I assume the issue you're describing is incredibly common. L...
180 violent garrison goal in life
  08/19/18
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disgusting claret bawdyhouse
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I’m down
Trip deep organic girlfriend prole
  08/19/18
This is the strategy if you want to make it, but the issue i...
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Cowardly angry friendly grandma community account
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As a follow up, it takes years of article writing, conferenc...
At-the-ready Brilliant Hospital Round Eye
  08/19/18
Lol at writing articles to get business. Just make friends w...
rough-skinned state boltzmann
  08/19/18
I agree writing articles is shit, but at my firm at least th...
At-the-ready Brilliant Hospital Round Eye
  08/19/18
The most successful young guys I know just get hired by all ...
rough-skinned state boltzmann
  08/19/18
"as a follow up" stop poasting like a biglawyer...
Cowardly angry friendly grandma community account
  08/19/18
The point of writing articles is so that you can list them i...
shivering jade son of senegal
  08/19/18
So the Cr strategy is to be a rainmaker?
blathering shimmering location
  08/19/18
Adopt this as a middle level associate if you want to avoid ...
rough-skinned state boltzmann
  08/19/18
lol NOWAG
impertinent avocado public bath
  08/19/18
CCRRRR
rough-skinned state boltzmann
  08/19/18
When I was a summer, one of the rainmaker partners told us t...
Embarrassed to the bone greedy pervert
  08/19/18
Right, I mean, 3-4 million is a very healthy income, don't g...
180 violent garrison goal in life
  08/19/18
Very few small business owners and docs make 3-4 million a y...
Haunting topaz area
  08/19/18
True, but plenty make around 500K-2 million, not factoring i...
180 violent garrison goal in life
  08/19/18
dumb thread from a dumb kike
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  08/19/18
yeah love u too
180 violent garrison goal in life
  08/19/18
small businesses are a terrible way to make money.
gaped poppy house
  08/19/18
This. The chance of maeking it in small biz is about the sam...
blathering shimmering location
  08/19/18
how do you define maeking it in biglaw? small business is pr...
Trip deep organic girlfriend prole
  08/19/18
aren't franchises almost guaranteed money machines?
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sort of, but for a lot of franchises you need a shitload of ...
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At least you're working for yourself in small biz. Somethin...
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180 violent garrison goal in life
  08/19/18
I think people forget how absurd big law is. Like if you wat...
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Your billables -okay your take home - far from that Yo...
180 violent garrison goal in life
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BD skill correlates with phenotype and family background/Jew...
Glittery Spot
  08/19/18
lol
180 violent garrison goal in life
  08/19/18
Nah you canake 3mil as a boomer 900k as genx or 500k as a mi...
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Date: August 19th, 2018 10:41 AM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life

at.

All those years toiling away through being an associate with soul crushing hours and work to have a remote chance at obtaining something which is slightly less soul crushing for like 800k a year? What's the point? Would not even be close to making you actually rich and it isn't enough to be truly appreciably better in any way than someone's life who makes 1/2 that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36642999)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: Laughsome pontificating gas station

100% agree. My life isnt any better now than when I made 300k. The only difference now is im getting to retirement faster. Money is overrated and friends, family, and time for hobbies is what is really important. Once you hit a minimum threshold (200-300k) you wont be any happier. People who make 200-300k a year think seven figures think it will make them happier but thats because they have never made seven figures. Working on your relationships and having fun interests will increase your happiness way more after that amount of income.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643027)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:30 AM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:52 AM
Author: titillating chartreuse station

tell me how to make 200-300k relatively easily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643273)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 5:24 PM
Author: Laughsome pontificating gas station

Go solo. I could make 200 working 10 hours a week. So can you if you do the right things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644671)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 2:37 PM
Author: comical university



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Date: August 19th, 2018 10:45 AM
Author: Haunting topaz area

PPP is 2-6 million at major firms

You probably hit those averages in your early 40s after a several years as a junior partner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643020)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 3:01 PM
Author: doobsian market corn cake

nah, the mean exceeds the median. rainmakers now take as much as 10X the lowest paid partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644137)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 3:48 PM
Author: pink contagious turdskin whorehouse

The multiple is more like 20-25x at a lot of firms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644312)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 10:46 AM
Author: Charcoal frum genital piercing old irish cottage

The real key is to make partner in the 1980s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643026)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: mustard heady dingle berry



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life

Cr as fuck. Then you can just go into chill politics and make 250K speeches like Hillary RODHAM Clinton.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643152)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:25 AM
Author: aromatic sexy piazza



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:04 AM
Author: rough-skinned state boltzmann

The point is that toiling away has low returns as you point out even if you make partner. It's not worth the time trade. The more devastating issue is ithe remote possibility of making partner as a grinder. Guess what? Grinders don't bring new money to the partnership, and grinders are fungible.

TCR biglaw strategy, if that's what you're going to do, is to originate and ape BD. Your expertise in any practice area hits a HUGE plateau around year 5 or 6 and there isn't another major jump until you put in another 10,000 hours and become a nation or industry-wide MFE. While this step is in your control, unlike ascent to partnership, the time return profile is similar. So fuck it. If you're a business originator you are spending your time (1) socializing and entertaining , (2) representing friends, (3) delegating substantive work. Oh and you're not fungible, and you actually add profits to the partnership that are attached to your name. You can take the book with you if you don't like the deal at your current firm. You're levels removed from the soul crushing day to day of biglaw, will be infinitely more successful in the short and long-term, and you'll have more time outside of work.

Why don't people do this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643086)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: Bright Office Regret



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643091)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life

Very good poa Colt tp

"Guess what? Grinders don't bring new money to the partnership, and grinders are fungible."

Yikes. One more time for the cheap seats in the back.

Problem is, as you point out, is BizDev and being good at that. A "rainmaker" as it were, but how many autistic people who just want to grind on the hamster wheel would even be good at this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643097)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:10 AM
Author: Cowardly angry friendly grandma community account

also, how do you get clients when your clients at a v20sih firm are all huge funds, banks and multinationals?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643107)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life

When you see a Russian oligarch across the room at Le Bernardin, wave him over to your table.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643128)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:12 AM
Author: Trip deep organic girlfriend prole

rainmaker bro i primarily work with is all over me about biz dev. i fucking HATE that shit. i may do this for a few more years until my kids are out of daycare and become a truck driver or some shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643117)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:17 AM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life

I assume the issue you're describing is incredibly common. Lawyers are like a step above accountants on introvert scale. There's like 1,000 autists per one Johnnie Cochran.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643136)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:32 AM
Author: disgusting claret bawdyhouse

Bro, I'll cook some meth and we can run a rig cross country non-stop.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643201)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 12:15 PM
Author: Trip deep organic girlfriend prole

I’m down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643407)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:46 AM
Author: At-the-ready Brilliant Hospital Round Eye

This is the strategy if you want to make it, but the issue is you can spend years slaving away at BD and never bring in a client with matters appropriate for biglaw rates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643260)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 12:18 PM
Author: ruddy circlehead center



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Date: August 19th, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: Cowardly angry friendly grandma community account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643596)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 1:38 PM
Author: At-the-ready Brilliant Hospital Round Eye

As a follow up, it takes years of article writing, conference attending and industry socializing (with people you don’t want to socialize with) and other nonbillable efforts firms considee BD before you MIGHT bring in a client that throws you 200k in billables per year, just barely justifying a firm’s decision to allow you non-equity partnership that can be taken away at any time.

And in that partnership race, you’re likely already up against someone whose relative or best friend’s dad or someone is already a GC or something.

Long story short, if you are a mid-level, ask yourself - is there someone ALREADY in my family or social circle who is in a position to send business to a big law firm (regardless of whether thats me at the moment)? If not, BD is going to be tortuous and will likely amount to nothing even after years of effort.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643799)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 2:13 PM
Author: rough-skinned state boltzmann

Lol at writing articles to get business. Just make friends with bankers and entrepreneurs and it will come.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643938)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 3:57 PM
Author: At-the-ready Brilliant Hospital Round Eye

I agree writing articles is shit, but at my firm at least they wanted you to do that along with RFPs, nonbillable client presentations, etc. Just additional hoops they made you start jumping through, right when you reached midlevel and had begun to have enough of law generally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644343)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 6:23 PM
Author: rough-skinned state boltzmann

The most successful young guys I know just get hired by all their friends, work hard for them, and let reputation and network grow from there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644892)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Cowardly angry friendly grandma community account

"as a follow up"

stop poasting like a biglawyer you faggot

does anyone actually get business from writing articles? like does an inhouse counsel read one and reach out and go "oh hey interesting article, we wanna hire you!"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643992)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 4:13 PM
Author: shivering jade son of senegal

The point of writing articles is so that you can list them in your pitch book / RFP and seem like you're a "thought leader" or whatever BS term is popular at the moment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644423)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 1:43 PM
Author: blathering shimmering location

So the Cr strategy is to be a rainmaker?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643815)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 2:12 PM
Author: rough-skinned state boltzmann

Adopt this as a middle level associate if you want to avoid a life of grinding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643936)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 3:09 PM
Author: impertinent avocado public bath

lol NOWAG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644173)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 6:22 PM
Author: rough-skinned state boltzmann

CCRRRR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644887)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone greedy pervert

When I was a summer, one of the rainmaker partners told us that “being a iglaw partner is one of the hardest ways to make money”

He was making like 3-4m so we all just secretly rolled our eyes, but I do get his point now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643112)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:22 AM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life

Right, I mean, 3-4 million is a very healthy income, don't get me wrong. It's actually fantastic and puts you 10x above the threshold of being in the '1 percent' (380K).

BUT-

It's a question of what it requires to get there and how teeny tiny slim of a chance it is that it will ever even happen. Running a small business, real estate, investing, seems to be so many more ways to generate comparable earnings with less sacrifice. Even the medical profession where salaries are high and work is very stressful but much more rewarding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643150)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:25 AM
Author: Haunting topaz area

Very few small business owners and docs make 3-4 million a year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643161)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:30 AM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life

True, but plenty make around 500K-2 million, not factoring in QoL, job satisfaction, independence and other factors. Either way, I assume the people who become Big Law partners genuinely "like" the work they do or find it interesting - but it just seems to me to be hugely sacrificial for increasingly diminishing returns. Again, I don't see a huge difference in life satisfaction between making 600k/year as a small business owner than 1.8 million as a Big Law partner, especially taking intangibles into consideration.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643184)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:27 AM
Author: cream arousing trump supporter

dumb thread from a dumb kike

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643168)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:30 AM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life

yeah love u too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643187)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 12:32 PM
Author: gaped poppy house

small businesses are a terrible way to make money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643476)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 1:44 PM
Author: blathering shimmering location

This. The chance of maeking it in small biz is about the same as biglol, but same hours and lower pay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643819)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 2:39 PM
Author: Trip deep organic girlfriend prole

how do you define maeking it in biglaw? small business is probably much harder to pull off (unless by maek it you mean become a rainmaker partner and make like 3 mil+ a year)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644051)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 3:17 PM
Author: titillating chartreuse station

aren't franchises almost guaranteed money machines?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644194)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 7:04 PM
Author: Aqua Insane Indian Lodge Macaca

sort of, but for a lot of franchises you need a shitload of capital just to start out and buy one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36645133)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: shivering jade son of senegal

At least you're working for yourself in small biz. Something to be said for grinding on your time vs. because some asshole tells you to

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644433)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:09 PM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36646433)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 6:27 PM
Author: sinister reading party therapy

I think people forget how absurd big law is. Like if you watch shark tank, you'll see a company that sold $800,000 worth of baguettes on a food truck and be like "oh wow they're really crushing it why am I so dumb toiling away turning docs!"

Meanwhile, your billables for the year are probably $1 million as a midlevel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36644913)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:11 PM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life

Your billables -okay

your take home - far from that

Your billables are simply what your pimp sells you for

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36646439)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 1:45 PM
Author: Glittery Spot

BD skill correlates with phenotype and family background/Jewishness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36643824)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:12 PM
Author: 180 violent garrison goal in life

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36646442)



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Date: August 19th, 2018 11:15 PM
Author: bossy irradiated hall black woman

Nah you canake 3mil as a boomer 900k as genx or 500k as a millennial. In nyc of course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4055355&forum_id=2#36646458)