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Date: August 21st, 2018 6:13 PM Author: nudist laughsome shitlib death wish
Did Cohen reference the Stormy Daniels' payment or the other woman? Or both?
Trump's problem is determining motive for the payment. Here's what Obama's former White House Counsel, Bob Bauer, said after the Cohen tape came out:
"The Cohen tape is not helpful to the president, but because of the structure of campaign-finance rules, it may not be conclusive. The question for legal purposes is whether Trump would have made this payment even if he had not been a candidate.
Trump would argue that even if he had powerful political reasons to hide the McDougal relationship, he also had personal ones. He does not have to deny that politics played some part in his and Cohen’s plotting to bury the McDougal story. After all, he may contend, a revelation in the heat of the political season would be even more intensely covered and add considerably to whatever marital or family reaction he would have to deal with. And he could have both objectives in mind—to spare himself political as well as personal trouble. Under the rules, a dual motive is enough to muddy the legal waters.
So the short and not entirely intelligible recording does not clearly settle this motive issue. On the other hand, Cohen has his own story to relate, with perhaps more telling details about motive, at which point it’s a duel between competing narratives offered by two individuals with dismal reputations for truth-telling."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057312&forum_id=2#36657812) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 6:01 PM Author: Doobsian Locale Antidepressant Drug
Don't think it matters
The goalposts have been collusion with Russia
Until they show something people aren't going to budge on either side
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057312&forum_id=2#36657688) |
Date: August 21st, 2018 6:03 PM Author: hyperactive ruddy tattoo
Mueller has "crossed the Rubicon", so to speak.
Civil War.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057312&forum_id=2#36657705) |
Date: August 21st, 2018 6:10 PM Author: Pungent Gaping Pit
An illegal immigrant was arrested for the brutal & senseless muster of a 20 year old jogging college student.
You’d think that would wake libs up a little & support Trump’s position that some people are animals & strict vetting on immigration is necessary. But they’ll probably just defend the murderer like they ended up defending MS 13.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057312&forum_id=2#36657777) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 6:34 PM Author: Pungent Gaping Pit
1. The poster you were replying to here wasn't me.
2. I never suggested that "one news article about one incident automatically decides the entire immigration issue."
So it looks like you are the one "putting words in other people's mouths."
What I said is that it should serve as a wake up call to some people that the scary thing about illegal immigration is that with no vetting and no ICE, you don't know who is getting in and staying here. And guess what, plenty of bad people want to get in illegally. Violent people, crazy people, people who hate American want to conspire with terrorists, gang members running drugs and money and slicing throats.
It seems ludicrous to me that so many libs have gone so extreme on this issue. To the point of implying that unless we have stats proving illegal immigrants cause more crime than the bad people already committing crime here here, we should essentially allow nearly open borders. The logic in that seems to be, "if there are already bad people in the country, might as well risk letting more in!"
Probably a lot of people who take that stance live in rich gated communities and have security systems.
Anyway, I feel we should be looking to minimize threats to our country, not throw up our hands. If you don't know what's getting in you're making your country an unsafer place in an already deranged and dangerous world.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057312&forum_id=2#36657960) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 10:28 PM Author: concupiscible lime liquid oxygen resort
I wasn't responding to you, as you have very astutely pointed out, so it doesn't seem very accurate to state that I'm putting words in your mouth. But if you really want to get in on this conversation, then that's fine, as long as you have some kind of statistic indicating that illegal immigrants are disproportionately likely to commit violent crimes. But instead of providing that statistic, you've just said "plenty of bad people," which isn't really helpful because there are "plenty of bad people" already here. How do we know what fraction of potential immigrants are "bad people"? Your statement doesn't seem very helpful. Like I said, I've never supported fully open borders, but I have still yet to see a shred of evidence that illegal immigrants are statistically more likely to commit violent crimes in the US.
The argument about immigration should be job-related, it shouldn't be based on the unsubstantiated assertion that illegal Mexican immigrants are "bad hombres."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057312&forum_id=2#36659774) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 8:18 PM Author: french clown plaza
No you idiot
Date: August 21st, 2018 7:44 PM
Author: slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland (sarc)
lmao. you realize how many Trumpmos have argued for Manafort (and even Cohen) to be pardoned?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057312&forum_id=2#36658828) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 8:19 PM Author: french clown plaza
Date: August 21st, 2018 7:44 PM
Author: slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland (sarc)
lmao. you realize how many Trumpmos have argued for Manafort (and even Cohen) to be pardoned?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057312&forum_id=2#36658842) |
Date: August 21st, 2018 6:17 PM Author: Indigo well-lubricated boistinker stag film
Some of the higher up scumbags in Trump's orbit took Ls for things prior to their involvement in the campaign. The Manafort loss is the prelude to his bigger trial. The Cohen deal implicates Trump's knowledge of misuse of campaign funds but what he's discussed remains mostly unknown.
Overall impact isn't clear and it's not an obvious sign of actual shot connecting to the Oval Office. Depending on which glass of Kool Aid you drink it's either the first of many bad actors to go down or a chance to post Trump said pussy for the 8000th time.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057312&forum_id=2#36657842) |
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