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Charles: Jesus dies in 30 -> Rome peaks 117 -> Dark ages until 1800s
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Date: September 20th, 2018 1:52 AM Author: 180 location how do you not see everything became horrible because of Catholicism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846683) |
Date: September 20th, 2018 3:28 AM Author: 180 location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846879) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 3:32 AM Author: odious juggernaut idea he suggested religion is the devil. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846880) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 4:49 AM Author: maroon sweet tailpipe indian lodge Can't tell if sarcasm?
It was only the "dark ages" in a relatively small part of the world - western europe. The Eastern Roman empire did very well although it had its ups and downs - was still vibrant and making progress, as did other parts of the world with very religious people.
You could just as well say - Diocletian divide ~276 --> Constantine reorganizes empire and moves East to the more economically productive / wealthy parts + legalizes Christianity 325 --> Christianity becomes Official State religion under Theodosius around 390-ish I think --> After Christianity is legalized then becomes official state religion, several generations later Eastern Roman Empire (which they just considered the roman empire) reaches its peak under XO Justinian in 560s
Your thesis makes no sense considering the roman empire - particularly in the west - was *already* in deep trouble by mid 3rd century |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 5:45 AM Author: Low-t Brunch Useless Brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846951) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 5:58 AM Author: Green fragrant mexican (gore vi:Dal) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846960) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:04 AM Author: Avocado resort “Dark Ages” is a myth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846962) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:07 AM Author: Amethyst point Libs invented the dark ages to discredit white people. If you want to see real dark ages look at the entire history of subsaharan africa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846968) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:09 PM Author: arousing puce state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339996) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:03 PM Author: multi-colored mahogany den coldplay fan Settle down, Gibbon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339925) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:09 PM Author: arousing puce state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339991) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:58 PM Author: House-broken walnut black woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343030) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:35 PM Author: vengeful dragon so is it possible we could have had the internet 200 years earlier and could have now had flying cars and sex bots that are indistinguishable from humans? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340148) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:35 PM Author: vibrant church Pretty sure Rome had that stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340150) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:38 PM Author: vengeful dragon ho lee shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340164) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:37 PM Author: arousing puce state What happened in 1800 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340158) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:38 PM Author: 180 location discovery of fossil fuels. living standards actually peaked in 4th century BC athens. https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14660 |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:54 AM Author: arousing puce state flame on the athens thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341698) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:56 PM Author: 180 location 32% urbanization rate! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342665) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:57 AM Author: Nubile elastic band The chart on HDI for the Greek East is total fucking flame. LJL at 900 AD being worse than the Bronze Age Collapse. That was an actual Dark Age where Greeks had to RE-INVENT writing because they forgot how to do it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341707) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:00 AM Author: arousing puce state social science shitheaddery like this is also behind the idea that pre-british colonization india had some AMAZING standard of living. just lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341718) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:01 PM Author: 180 location (guy totally impartial about who was in charge in 900 AD) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342257) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:56 PM Author: multi-colored mahogany den coldplay fan Romans were in charge in 900 AD, and the Eastern Empire was coming on a fucking REVENGE TOUR in the 9th and 10th century hth faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342670) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 11:11 PM Author: mustard parlour German scholars began questioning the historicity of Jesus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340449) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:53 AM Author: Nubile elastic band Dark Ages are real but blaming them on Christianity is low IQ. Demographic collapse, long-term economic stagnation, de-urbanization, and political fragmentation that took centuries to reverse were all critical and not particularly linked to Christianity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341694) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:54 AM Author: arousing puce state whys it gotta be the DARK ages hmmmmmmmm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341699) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:59 PM Author: bisexual gay church building hunting ground Because of the lack of written record. There were meticulously prepared histories of Greece and Rome that survived but they didn’t do that across Europe and had a tendency to burn the others “Chronicles” when new power came along. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343039) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:05 PM Author: 180 location But literature is a good proxy for decadence. Someone that has time to write histories isn't living at subsistence at risk of starvation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343078) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:07 AM Author: multi-colored mahogany den coldplay fan In fact Christianity gave them a unified ideology & a society to recover from said devastation - only remaining functioning govt and SCHOLARSHIP were the Church apparatus for a while in the West and in the East Xtian fanticism saved them vs the Sassanids (Heraclius is the FIRST Crusader) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341734) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:02 PM Author: 180 location ...so why did it take 2 millenia to recover instead of a couple centuries? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342265) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:03 PM Author: multi-colored mahogany den coldplay fan ? Absolute flame
Romans didn't even have fucking stirrups for that CAVALRY, Germans developed better democratic governance & Europe didnt' employ slaves,
France had much much better agricultural output than the Roman times
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: 180 location Lack of slaves mean subsisTTTence living. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342436) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:03 PM Author: Nubile elastic band It didn't; the idea that life was worse in 1700 compared to 0 AD is fucking flame, or if it is true, fails to account for a dramatic explosion in population. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343065) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:10 PM Author: 180 location LOL @ claiming a higher population living at subsistence is a brag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343098) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Soul-stirring cheese-eating step-uncle's house pistol Not to mention one could just as easily blame them on Islam. After muslims conquered the middle east europe lost its main supplies of gold and papyrus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342468) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Nubile elastic band Shit was falling apart well before Islam so while that didn’t help it’s not really the cause. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342476) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: Soul-stirring cheese-eating step-uncle's house pistol It was a primary factor in 1. demonetization of European economies, and 2. lack of writing/scholarship for about 700 years. The only thing they could make books out of was parchment, which was extremely expensive and time consuming to produce. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342897) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:41 PM Author: Nubile elastic band Like I said, it didn't help, but the old Roman Empire was far worse off in 630 than it was in in 330, which in turn was much worse off than it was in 30. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342908) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:49 PM Author: 180 location In 380, under Emperor Theodosius I, Catholicism became the state religion of the Roman Empire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342963) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:51 PM Author: multi-colored mahogany den coldplay fan It was already TTT by the time Xtianity came forward - read up on the Crisis of the 3rd Century.
Constantine saved teh Empire hth |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:55 PM Author: topaz personal credit line private investor Aurelian master race (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343010) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:00 PM Author: multi-colored mahogany den coldplay fan He was 180, but was ulitmately only a fireman b/c of his early death (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343045) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:20 AM Author: cracking pervert trust fund can't argue with thescience
https://i.stack.imgur.com/XE9el.jpg |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:53 PM Author: aromatic outnumbered school cafeteria Reddit is lols (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342638) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:53 PM Author: multi-colored mahogany den coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342643) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:51 PM Author: trip house electric furnace But I thought muslims were making yuge scientific advances during that time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342982) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:07 PM Author: Silver ungodly field lmfao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343091) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:21 PM Author: Harsh Stirring Cruise Ship Depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345636) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:53 PM Author: bisexual gay church building hunting ground You need to read more books :D, I am diving into this time period and it’s incredible how alive the world was. Religion overall probably made it worse, but some amazing things happened over those 1600 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342993) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:57 PM Author: 180 location LOL there was MONARCHY and CLERGY. How TTT! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343022) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:58 PM Author: bisexual gay church building hunting ground 952 and 1144 were just as crazy interesting as today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343029) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:28 PM Author: 180 location (Guy really interested in subsistence living) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343197) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:32 PM Author: arousing puce state What books (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345681) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:34 PM Author: 180 location https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345690) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:28 PM Author: Harsh Stirring Cruise Ship Depressive This is your brain on xkcd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343200) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:12 PM Author: self-absorbed indirect expression lol @ :D always citing Richard Carrier for all ancient history facts.
Seems like :D discovers a website devoted to a weird slant of a popular topic and then just gives himself entirely to it. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:14 PM Author: 180 location https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Ober This guy is a SCHOLAR. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:13 PM Author: claret plaza Q predicted this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345600) |