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Charles: Jesus dies in 30 -> Rome peaks 117 -> Dark ages until 1800s

how do you not see everything became horrible because of Cat...
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  09/20/18
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Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  09/20/18
religion is the devil.
Appetizing useless kitchen
  09/20/18
Can't tell if sarcasm? It was only the "dark ages&qu...
yellow old irish cottage
  09/20/18
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aqua submissive space
  09/20/18
op is mfe, bro
hideous garrison scourge upon the earth
  09/20/18
(gore vi:Dal)
heady bawdyhouse
  09/20/18
“Dark Ages” is a myth
Cerebral Son Of Senegal
  09/20/18
Libs invented the dark ages to discredit white people. If yo...
Sickened Windowlicker
  09/20/18
...
Irradiated factory reset button roommate
  12/02/18
Settle down, Gibbon
passionate therapy marketing idea
  12/02/18
...
Irradiated factory reset button roommate
  12/02/18
...
Cerise cracking stain
  12/03/18
so is it possible we could have had the internet 200 years e...
Startled carnelian sneaky criminal brunch
  12/02/18
Pretty sure Rome had that stuff.
sooty orchestra pit persian
  12/02/18
ho lee shit
Startled carnelian sneaky criminal brunch
  12/02/18
What happened in 1800
Irradiated factory reset button roommate
  12/02/18
discovery of fossil fuels. living standards actually peaked ...
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/02/18
flame on the athens thing
Irradiated factory reset button roommate
  12/03/18
32% urbanization rate!
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/03/18
The chart on HDI for the Greek East is total fucking flame. ...
Violet Jew Pit
  12/03/18
social science shitheaddery like this is also behind the ide...
Irradiated factory reset button roommate
  12/03/18
(guy totally impartial about who was in charge in 900 AD)
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/03/18
Romans were in charge in 900 AD, and the Eastern Empire was ...
passionate therapy marketing idea
  12/03/18
German scholars began questioning the historicity of Jesus
Marvelous Juggernaut Point
  12/02/18
Dark Ages are real but blaming them on Christianity is low I...
Violet Jew Pit
  12/03/18
whys it gotta be the DARK ages hmmmmmmmm?
Irradiated factory reset button roommate
  12/03/18
Because of the lack of written record. There were meticulou...
Titillating sticky tanning salon
  12/03/18
But literature is a good proxy for decadence. Someone that h...
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/03/18
In fact Christianity gave them a unified ideology & a so...
passionate therapy marketing idea
  12/03/18
...so why did it take 2 millenia to recover instead of a cou...
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/03/18
? Absolute flame Romans didn't even have fucking stirrups...
passionate therapy marketing idea
  12/03/18
Lack of slaves mean subsisTTTence living.
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/03/18
It didn't; the idea that life was worse in 1700 compared to ...
Violet Jew Pit
  12/03/18
LOL @ claiming a higher population living at subsistence is ...
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/03/18
Not to mention one could just as easily blame them on Islam....
stirring dilemma
  12/03/18
Shit was falling apart well before Islam so while that didn&...
Violet Jew Pit
  12/03/18
It was a primary factor in 1. demonetization of European eco...
stirring dilemma
  12/03/18
Like I said, it didn't help, but the old Roman Empire was fa...
Violet Jew Pit
  12/03/18
In 380, under Emperor Theodosius I, Catholicism became the s...
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/03/18
It was already TTT by the time Xtianity came forward - read ...
passionate therapy marketing idea
  12/03/18
Aurelian master race
vengeful piazza
  12/03/18
He was 180, but was ulitmately only a fireman b/c of his ear...
passionate therapy marketing idea
  12/03/18
can't argue with thescience https://i.stack.imgur.com/XE9...
comical burgundy digit ratio
  12/03/18
Reddit is lols
flatulent lay
  12/03/18
...
passionate therapy marketing idea
  12/03/18
But I thought muslims were making yuge scientific advances d...
khaki tripping mediation school cafeteria
  12/03/18
lmfao
Bespoke church building
  12/03/18
...
180 embarrassed to the bone hominid
  12/03/18
You need to read more books :D, I am diving into this time p...
Titillating sticky tanning salon
  12/03/18
LOL there was MONARCHY and CLERGY. How TTT!
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/03/18
952 and 1144 were just as crazy interesting as today.
Titillating sticky tanning salon
  12/03/18
(Guy really interested in subsistence living)
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/03/18
What books
Irradiated factory reset button roommate
  12/03/18
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/03/18
This is your brain on xkcd
180 embarrassed to the bone hominid
  12/03/18
lol @ :D always citing Richard Carrier for all ancient histo...
Lilac personal credit line house
  12/03/18
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/ https://en.wi...
Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit
  12/03/18
Q predicted this
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  12/03/18


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Date: September 20th, 2018 1:52 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

how do you not see everything became horrible because of Catholicism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846683)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 3:28 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846879)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 3:32 AM
Author: Appetizing useless kitchen

religion is the devil.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846880)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 4:49 AM
Author: yellow old irish cottage

Can't tell if sarcasm?

It was only the "dark ages" in a relatively small part of the world - western europe. The Eastern Roman empire did very well although it had its ups and downs - was still vibrant and making progress, as did other parts of the world with very religious people.

You could just as well say - Diocletian divide ~276 --> Constantine reorganizes empire and moves East to the more economically productive / wealthy parts + legalizes Christianity 325 --> Christianity becomes Official State religion under Theodosius around 390-ish I think -->

After Christianity is legalized then becomes official state religion, several generations later Eastern Roman Empire (which they just considered the roman empire) reaches its peak under XO Justinian in 560s

Your thesis makes no sense considering the roman empire - particularly in the west - was *already* in deep trouble by mid 3rd century

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846926)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 5:45 AM
Author: aqua submissive space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846951)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:06 AM
Author: hideous garrison scourge upon the earth

op is mfe, bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846964)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 5:58 AM
Author: heady bawdyhouse

(gore vi:Dal)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846960)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:04 AM
Author: Cerebral Son Of Senegal

“Dark Ages” is a myth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846962)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:07 AM
Author: Sickened Windowlicker

Libs invented the dark ages to discredit white people. If you want to see real dark ages look at the entire history of subsaharan africa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846968)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: Irradiated factory reset button roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339996)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: passionate therapy marketing idea

Settle down, Gibbon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339925)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: Irradiated factory reset button roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339991)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:58 PM
Author: Cerise cracking stain



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343030)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Startled carnelian sneaky criminal brunch

so is it possible we could have had the internet 200 years earlier and could have now had flying cars and sex bots that are indistinguishable from humans?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340148)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: sooty orchestra pit persian

Pretty sure Rome had that stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340150)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:38 PM
Author: Startled carnelian sneaky criminal brunch

ho lee shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340164)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:37 PM
Author: Irradiated factory reset button roommate

What happened in 1800

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340158)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:38 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

discovery of fossil fuels. living standards actually peaked in 4th century BC athens.

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14660

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340163)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:54 AM
Author: Irradiated factory reset button roommate

flame on the athens thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341698)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

32% urbanization rate!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342665)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:57 AM
Author: Violet Jew Pit

The chart on HDI for the Greek East is total fucking flame. LJL at 900 AD being worse than the Bronze Age Collapse. That was an actual Dark Age where Greeks had to RE-INVENT writing because they forgot how to do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341707)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:00 AM
Author: Irradiated factory reset button roommate

social science shitheaddery like this is also behind the idea that pre-british colonization india had some AMAZING standard of living. just lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341718)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

(guy totally impartial about who was in charge in 900 AD)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342257)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: passionate therapy marketing idea

Romans were in charge in 900 AD, and the Eastern Empire was coming on a fucking REVENGE TOUR in the 9th and 10th century hth faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342670)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 11:11 PM
Author: Marvelous Juggernaut Point

German scholars began questioning the historicity of Jesus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340449)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:53 AM
Author: Violet Jew Pit

Dark Ages are real but blaming them on Christianity is low IQ. Demographic collapse, long-term economic stagnation, de-urbanization, and political fragmentation that took centuries to reverse were all critical and not particularly linked to Christianity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341694)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:54 AM
Author: Irradiated factory reset button roommate

whys it gotta be the DARK ages hmmmmmmmm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341699)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:59 PM
Author: Titillating sticky tanning salon

Because of the lack of written record. There were meticulously prepared histories of Greece and Rome that survived but they didn’t do that across Europe and had a tendency to burn the others “Chronicles” when new power came along.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343039)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:05 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

But literature is a good proxy for decadence. Someone that has time to write histories isn't living at subsistence at risk of starvation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343078)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: passionate therapy marketing idea

In fact Christianity gave them a unified ideology & a society to recover from said devastation - only remaining functioning govt and SCHOLARSHIP were the Church apparatus for a while in the West and in the East Xtian fanticism saved them vs the Sassanids (Heraclius is the FIRST Crusader)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341734)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:02 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

...so why did it take 2 millenia to recover instead of a couple centuries?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342265)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: passionate therapy marketing idea

? Absolute flame

Romans didn't even have fucking stirrups for that CAVALRY, Germans developed better democratic governance & Europe didnt' employ slaves,

France had much much better agricultural output than the Roman times



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342277)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:22 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

Lack of slaves mean subsisTTTence living.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342436)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:03 PM
Author: Violet Jew Pit

It didn't; the idea that life was worse in 1700 compared to 0 AD is fucking flame, or if it is true, fails to account for a dramatic explosion in population.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343065)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:10 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

LOL @ claiming a higher population living at subsistence is a brag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343098)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: stirring dilemma

Not to mention one could just as easily blame them on Islam. After muslims conquered the middle east europe lost its main supplies of gold and papyrus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342468)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: Violet Jew Pit

Shit was falling apart well before Islam so while that didn’t help it’s not really the cause.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342476)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:38 PM
Author: stirring dilemma

It was a primary factor in 1. demonetization of European economies, and 2. lack of writing/scholarship for about 700 years. The only thing they could make books out of was parchment, which was extremely expensive and time consuming to produce.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342897)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:41 PM
Author: Violet Jew Pit

Like I said, it didn't help, but the old Roman Empire was far worse off in 630 than it was in in 330, which in turn was much worse off than it was in 30.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342908)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:49 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

In 380, under Emperor Theodosius I, Catholicism became the state religion of the Roman Empire

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342963)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:51 PM
Author: passionate therapy marketing idea

It was already TTT by the time Xtianity came forward - read up on the Crisis of the 3rd Century.

Constantine saved teh Empire hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342981)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:55 PM
Author: vengeful piazza

Aurelian master race

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343010)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:00 PM
Author: passionate therapy marketing idea

He was 180, but was ulitmately only a fireman b/c of his early death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343045)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:20 AM
Author: comical burgundy digit ratio

can't argue with thescience

https://i.stack.imgur.com/XE9el.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341777)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: flatulent lay

Reddit is lols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342638)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: passionate therapy marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342643)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:51 PM
Author: khaki tripping mediation school cafeteria

But I thought muslims were making yuge scientific advances during that time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342982)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: Bespoke church building

lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343091)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: 180 embarrassed to the bone hominid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345636)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: Titillating sticky tanning salon

You need to read more books :D, I am diving into this time period and it’s incredible how alive the world was. Religion overall probably made it worse, but some amazing things happened over those 1600 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342993)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:57 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

LOL there was MONARCHY and CLERGY. How TTT!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343022)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:58 PM
Author: Titillating sticky tanning salon

952 and 1144 were just as crazy interesting as today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343029)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

(Guy really interested in subsistence living)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343197)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:32 PM
Author: Irradiated factory reset button roommate

What books

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345681)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:34 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345690)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: 180 embarrassed to the bone hominid

This is your brain on xkcd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343200)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:12 PM
Author: Lilac personal credit line house

lol @ :D always citing Richard Carrier for all ancient history facts.

Seems like :D discovers a website devoted to a weird slant of a popular topic and then just gives himself entirely to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345588)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:14 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle bat shit crazy ceo hissy fit

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Ober

This guy is a SCHOLAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345608)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:13 PM
Author: exciting bat-shit-crazy step-uncle's house pocket flask

Q predicted this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345600)