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impressive lay
  10/16/18
And yet they couldn't raise debt at sub-7%.
Primrose business firm
  10/20/18
Lol
Heady principal's office
  10/16/18
If you do nothing else with your money, you need to short th...
Charismatic casino
  10/16/18
(guy who doesn't understand growth equity valuation) you ...
Irate stubborn background story
  10/16/18
You're right I don't. I do know that the valuation is on...
Charismatic casino
  10/16/18
how's your TSLA short working out for you?
Irate stubborn background story
  10/16/18
DrakeMallard is gonna blow a gasket
bossy meetinghouse
  10/16/18
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impressive lay
  10/16/18
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Filthy talented old irish cottage
  10/16/18
Don't see how they double valuation off the latest down roun...
Mentally impaired giraffe
  10/16/18
I just love your anti-Uber screeds breh
bossy meetinghouse
  10/16/18
LJL at this valuation given that Waymo is light years ahead ...
Demanding vivacious parlour goal in life
  10/16/18
yep, they are more a finance company leasing cars to their r...
impressive lay
  10/16/18
...
Arousing Masturbator
  10/16/18
“Honestly it’s the scariest thing I’ve eve...
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  10/20/18
why did cab companies and cities let uber et al get away wit...
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  10/20/18
Uber scaled up before cities could do anything. Good for the...
Primrose business firm
  10/20/18
it could be shut down easily with stings and lawsuits at any...
Ruby adventurous senate stain
  10/20/18
Fraud, deceit, kickbacks, possibly worse things as well. ...
aquamarine mother
  10/20/18
ljl @ this transparent pre-IPO market manipulation. probably...
aquamarine mother
  10/20/18
So many Fuckers I know are going to become millionaires live...
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Date: October 16th, 2018 10:35 AM
Author: impressive lay

Uber Proposals Value Company at $120 Billion in a Possible IPO

Eye-popping offering, which could take place early next year, is nearly double the ride-hailing company’s valuation in a fundraising round two months ago

Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi has said the company is aiming for an IPO in the second half of 2019.

Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi has said the company is aiming for an IPO in the second half of 2019. PHOTO: JUSTIN SULLIVAN/GETTY IMAGES

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By Liz Hoffman, Greg Bensinger and Maureen Farrell

Updated Oct. 16, 2018 8:17 a.m. ET

Uber Technologies Inc. recently received proposals from Wall Street banks valuing the ride-hailing company at as much as $120 billion in an initial public offering that could take place early next year, according to people familiar with the matter.

That eye-popping figure is nearly double Uber’s valuation in a fundraising round just two months ago and more than General Motors Co. , Ford Motor Co. and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV are worth combined.

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley MS 3.54% last month delivered the valuation proposals to Uber, the people said. These documents, which typically advise on how to position shares to potential investors, are a common step before banks are formally hired to underwrite IPOs.

The bank presentations show Uber gathering momentum toward an IPO that is among the most hotly anticipated on Wall Street and Silicon Valley and could come sooner than expected as the new-issue market sizzles. Founded in 2009 and sustained by an ample supply of private capital, Uber is seen as a bellwether for a crop of highly valued startups that have delayed tapping the public markets.

Over the past year, Uber has labored through a series of scandals, from claims of workplace sexual harassment to the alleged theft of trade secrets from rival Alphabet Inc., and the ouster of co-founder Travis Kalanick. Its new chief executive, Dara Khosrowshahi, has sought to win back investors, drivers and riders who can now choose from a growing group of taxi smartphone apps.

Mr. Khosrowshahi has said the company is aiming for an IPO in the second half of 2019; at what valuation has been unclear. Uber last raised money, from Toyota Motor Co. in August, at a roughly $72 billion valuation.

There is no guarantee Uber will go public on the time frame or with the valuation envisioned by investment bankers hungry for fees. The IPO market runs notoriously hot and cold, and though 2018 has been a strong year for technology and other issues, conditions could be less favorable when Uber is ready to list its shares. Indeed, one source said the banks are pitching the earlier listing in large part because of fears the IPO market will cool.

And any IPO process could also be complicated by factions among Uber backers, who received their shares over seven years at valuations ranging from $50 million to $72 billion.

In documents distributed in recent days related to a potential bond offering—led by Morgan Stanley—Uber indicated it won’t be profitable for at least three years, according to people familiar with the matter. It expects to generate between $10 billion and $11 billion in revenue this year, according to the documents, compared with $7.78 billion last year.

As part of an agreement with investor SoftBank Group Corp. 9984 3.62% , Uber must go public by the end of next year, according to people familiar with the matter. If it fails to do so, Uber would have to allow certain investors—those who have put in at least $100 million or held shares for at least five years—to sell their stakes on the secondary market, these people said. That could damage Uber’s ability to control the price at which an IPO is ultimately set.

Competition in ride-hailing has also stiffened, which could make Uber shares a tougher sell with public investors. Lyft Inc., Uber’s most formidable rival, recently raised money at a $15 billion valuation and put out calls for banks to pitch for an IPO that also could come in early 2019, according to people familiar with the company’s plans.

And newer rivals, including Via Transportation Inc. and Gett Inc., have raised cash from investors including Daimler AG and Volkswagen AG and are using offers of steep discounts to lure new riders.

Morgan Stanley’s proposal valued Uber at up to about $120 billion, while Goldman set a slightly lower ceiling, according to one of the people. The valuations hinge in part on highlighting the potential of Uber’s businesses outside its ride-hailing app, some of the people said, and also take into account its stakes in other transportation startups including China’s Didi Chuxing Technology Co. and India’s GrabTaxi Holdings Pte.

The bankers have valued the company’s food-delivery service, UberEats, at as much as $20 billion, according to one person. That is twice what Grubhub Inc., the leading U.S. food-delivery service, trades at today on the public markets.

UberEats operates in nearly 500 cities globally and is expected to reach $6 billion in orders this year, from which the company takes a commission. While still a money-loser, it is expected to become profitable much sooner than Uber’s ride-hailing business and so could help subsidize losses.

Calving off Uber’s self-driving car unit could free it to license its technology to a wider array of car makers and transportation companies. Such a move could also insulate Uber from negative headlines like after one of its vehicles struck and killed a pedestrian in Arizona earlier this year.

It announced a $500 million investment from Toyota and an agreement to jointly develop self-driving vehicles. The deal will allow Uber to pass some of its development costs along to Toyota after pouring some $750 million into robot cars last year, according to people familiar with the matter.

General Motors and Ford have both moved to spin off their self-driving car operations over the past year. GM’s business, called Cruise, attracted a $2.25 billion investment from SoftBank.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034134)



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Date: October 20th, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: Primrose business firm

And yet they couldn't raise debt at sub-7%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37062096)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 10:37 AM
Author: Heady principal's office

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034139)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 10:38 AM
Author: Charismatic casino

If you do nothing else with your money, you need to short the fuck out of this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034150)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 10:41 AM
Author: Irate stubborn background story

(guy who doesn't understand growth equity valuation)

you will get DESTROYED shorting this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034176)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 10:52 AM
Author: Charismatic casino

You're right I don't.

I do know that the valuation is only based on self-driving tech and they are losing money on the anybody can be a cabbie business. Their self-driving tech is behind bigger players with more resources.

Also, their CEO is IRANIAN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034239)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: Irate stubborn background story

how's your TSLA short working out for you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034927)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 10:41 AM
Author: bossy meetinghouse

DrakeMallard is gonna blow a gasket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034168)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 10:41 AM
Author: impressive lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034174)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 10:42 AM
Author: Filthy talented old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034181)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: Mentally impaired giraffe

Don't see how they double valuation off the latest down round

If so this will be an epic Snapchat-esque short

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034958)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: bossy meetinghouse

I just love your anti-Uber screeds breh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37035060)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 10:46 AM
Author: Demanding vivacious parlour goal in life

LJL at this valuation given that Waymo is light years ahead in self driving and Uber will be paying Waymo royalties on any self driving BS for decades. The only credited play on taxis and self driving is Google. Uber has zero tech and at the end of the day is now more a finance company leasing cars to their retard drivers than anything else and these drivers wont exist in 20 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034206)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 11:21 AM
Author: impressive lay

yep, they are more a finance company leasing cars to their retard drivers than anything else and these drivers wont exist in 20 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37034425)



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Date: October 16th, 2018 1:06 PM
Author: Arousing Masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37035115)



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Date: October 20th, 2018 1:56 PM
Author: sexy fuchsia friendly grandma hairy legs

“Honestly it’s the scariest thing I’ve ever went through in my life,” Gomez said. “The real first sign was once we got on the freeway he literally started crying, but it was crying and then laughing at the same time.”

She ordered the ride from her home in Woodland to pick up her husband at the Kaiser Hospital in Sacramento, a 25-mile trip. Her driver began driving erratically and then removed his hands from the wheel, covered his eyes with his hands, and told Gomez to direct him on the road.

“(He was saying) ‘I can’t do this anymore. I can’t go through like this anymore.'” Gomez said.

...

Sacramento Police arrived and found the driver locked in a gas station bathroom. Officers said he was acting erratically, covering himself in soap and trying to bite him.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/10/19/lyft-driver-mental-breakdown/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37062036)



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Date: October 20th, 2018 2:16 PM
Author: Ruby adventurous senate stain

why did cab companies and cities let uber et al get away with existing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37062140)



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Date: October 20th, 2018 2:18 PM
Author: Primrose business firm

Uber scaled up before cities could do anything. Good for them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37062145)



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Date: October 20th, 2018 5:30 PM
Author: Ruby adventurous senate stain

it could be shut down easily with stings and lawsuits at any time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37063072)



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Date: October 20th, 2018 2:32 PM
Author: aquamarine mother

Fraud, deceit, kickbacks, possibly worse things as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/technology/uber-greyball-program-evade-authorities.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37062207)



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Date: October 20th, 2018 2:21 PM
Author: aquamarine mother

ljl @ this transparent pre-IPO market manipulation. probably worth shorting this tech shithold as soon as it goes public

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37062159)



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Date: October 20th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: big mustard private investor step-uncle's house

So many Fuckers I know are going to become millionaires live tuna wink3r$

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37062220)



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Date: October 20th, 2018 3:03 PM
Author: boyish pistol

The fact that they lost all that marketshare over libs tweeting should scare the shit out of investors. This isn't Microsoft where everyone is going to overpay for their software for decades because they have to. This is a commodity which became ubiquitous in 3 years and could get overtaken in the same time frame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4107899&forum_id=2#37062331)