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Is Rodgers a better QB than Brady?
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Date: October 16th, 2018 2:55 PM Author: Electric Circlehead Rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37035872) |
Date: October 16th, 2018 2:55 PM Author: maize frozen indirect expression More talented yes. Not a better overall qb tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37035875) |
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Date: October 17th, 2018 12:00 AM Author: Curious blue wagecucks station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37039759) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 2:57 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater Brady is a system QB (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37035881) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 2:59 PM Author: Multi-colored orange fat ankles plaza hes done it in several unique systems
First a run first prostyle attack (2001-2002) Then a spread west coast style offense (2002-2007) Then an airraid deep throw offense (2007-2009) Then a bunch formation 2 TE set offense (2009-2012)
since then its been a weird amalgalm of the above |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:00 PM Author: maize frozen indirect expression Multiple offensive coordinators too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37035911) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: slap-happy dingle berry scourge upon the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37035918) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater I'm just repeating what his coaching staff has said
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081339&mc=21&forum_id=2 |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:38 PM Author: maize frozen indirect expression This is as bad as Fake News "according to sources familiar with the matter" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036141) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater (Gisele) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036167) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:45 PM Author: ungodly arrogant resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036187) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: Metal Corner Rodgers' problem is that he won't play in the system (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036161) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:49 PM Author: maize frozen indirect expression He's played in the same system under mccarthy for >decade (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036220) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: Metal Corner not what I mean,
he spends too much time freelancing and hunting for big plays
they'd have a better offense if he just took the easy stuff when it was there
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it seems like a common failure mode for veteran QBs who've had too much successs
at various points in the later stages of their careers, the same could be said for Favre and Roethlisberger |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: Talking factory reset button I think he's just naturally risk averse.
Maybe THE most risk averse HoF caliber QB ever. |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: ungodly arrogant resort averse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036269) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: Talking factory reset button thanks edited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036276) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: ungodly arrogant resort thank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036285) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: Metal Corner yeah, that's fair, his interceptions have always been really low
but, he holds the ball too long a lot |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: Talking factory reset button Sacks don't count against QB stats though. Like I mentioned before, his tendency to take a sack inflates his value in terms of traditional stats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036311) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: ungodly arrogant resort they affect ANY/A (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036317) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: Metal Corner yeah, I agree with you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036356) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: maize frozen indirect expression Yeah i see what you mean, but just wanted to get that point across to others who say brady is a system qb when rodgers had more continuity than brady has (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036275) |
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Date: November 26th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Metal Corner The Packers turned in another up-and-down, ultimately disappointing performance at Minnesota Sunday night, which only intensifies Mike McCarthy’s already hot seat. The 13th-year head coach has become a receptacle for criticism, much of it adhering to the same theme: that his offensive system is stale.
The first problem is this analysis is a few years too late (more on that in a moment). The second—and much bigger—problem is it gives Aaron Rodgers a pass for the highly inconsistent way he executes this offense.
Please understand, you’re not reading an Aaron Rodgers Hot Take. At least, not according to discussions that occur within the NFL. Around the league, Rodgers is regarded as an incredible but imperfect quarterback. Outside the NFL, Rodgers is basically viewed as a god. It has somehow become heretical to say anything critical of him.
Rodgers is the most physically talented quarterback of all-time; 32 NFL GMs would be happy to build their team around him. When he’s clicking, he’s magnificent. But Rodgers does not click with the regularity of a Drew Brees, Tom Brady or even a resurgent Andrew Luck. There is no stat that captures throws that should be made but aren’t, or throws that could have been made on-schedule but were made off-schedule. If these categories existed, Rodgers would have as many as any quarterback, every year. He’s a scintillating sandlot player who goes into sandlot mode way too often.
Yes, Rodgers’s unique style, which few QBs have enough talent to call upon, has led to some of his most spectacular plays. But in the aggregate, it also creates the illusion of dysfunction around him. To television viewers, Rodgers runs around because his O-line breaks down. Or because, presumably, receivers aren’t getting open. And they’re not getting open because the scheme isn’t helping them. Sometimes this is the case. But just as often, the glitches aren’t coming from everyone around the quarterback, but from the quarterback himself.
What’s most befuddling: Right when you start to think Rodgers will forever read the field with the choppiness of a rookie, he starts slinging the ball with perfectly disciplined timing and rhythm. When that switch is flipped, Rodgers borders on unstoppable. His greatness reaches such a level that, when the switch is flipped back, you understand why outside observers can’t help but assume the problem is everyone else.
This is where McCarthy is getting victimized. A great illustration of Rodgers’s unevenness came two weeks ago in Green Bay’s win over Miami. The Packers faced a 4th-and-2 near midfield. The Dolphins are a zone D that almost always plays nickel. Knowing their nickel would keep two linebackers on the field, McCarthy put in a fourth receiver and aligned Davante Adams in the backfield, so their top weapon could run his route against those overmatched linebackers. Adams did, breaking open on a short-angle route right in Rodgers’s immediate line of vision. The play worked perfectly. And Rodgers, for reasons not even Sigmund Freud could figure out, tried to break down and extend the play. A quick-strike play like this can’t be extended, though, and naturally, the protection cracked and Rodgers was sacked.
Imagine if it had been Sean McVay putting Brandin Cooks at running back. Or Andy Reid putting Tyreek Hill there. Their genius would have been heralded once again. On a big fourth down gamble the offensive mastermind puts his best wide receiver at running back and catches the defense off balance! Boy, you never know what this coach will do next!
Of course, McVay’s QB or Reid’s QB (or almost any team’s QB) would have thrown the ball on that play. McCarthy’s QB didn’t, and so, to outside observers, McCarthy’s creativity here never existed.
That creativity lately has shown up on other plays, too. In fact, this season, McCarthy’s offensive scheme has evolved dramatically. Early in the year, it was mostly just the simple spread formations that propagate isolation routes—that’s the unimaginativeness McCarthy has been dogged for over the years. Most likely he played this way because it accommodated Rodgers’s sandlot tendencies. It worked when the Packers had the right veteran receivers. But with an aging Jordy Nelson gone, James Jones long gone, and Randall Cobb either out injured or not looking like himself, the Packers this season have had to rely on callow, rookie receivers who are not yet capable of getting open on their own or finding the defense’s soft spots when Rodgers extends plays.
So, McCarthy has scrapped some of the iso-spread passing concepts for newer-age designs. He has used spread formations this November about half as often as he did in September. More importantly, he’s used condensed formations, with receivers aligned tight to the formation, about three times as often. Those condensed sets are the same thing McVay uses in L.A. It gives receivers more field to work with, which propagates more schematic variables in the passing game and a more natural intertwinement of routes. It also creates congestion for a defense, rendering coverages more predictable. This makes it easier for a QB to anticipate open throws. And, receivers who align tight to the formation are in better position to block safeties in the running game, which makes play-action off of that even more believable. On a related note, the Packers have also employed more snaps of two-tight end personnel, which diversifies a scheme, particularly on the ground.
The results of McCarthy’s updated approach have been mixed, in part because Rodgers’s execution has been mixed. Still, it’s reasonable to keep McCarthy on the hot seat; even with his improved approach, he’s far from flawless. But when evaluating McCarthy, we must admit that his quarterback is far from flawless, too.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/26/green-bay-packers-offense-problems-mike-mccarthy-aaron-rodgers |
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Date: November 26th, 2018 1:56 PM Author: maize frozen indirect expression Good article (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37303506) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 2:57 PM Author: Godawful native yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37035886) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: Laughsome aqua persian yes without a doubt. He is probably the most talented QB ever.
Brady would get killed and suck on any other team. Rodgers can make any team better. |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: lascivious mental disorder (guy wasting his time watching spineless anti-American football) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37035895) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:22 PM Author: Cracking hateful water buffalo university Tim Tebow is GOAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036039) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: Boyish international law enforcement agency french chef Yes, and he's never lost a super bowl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036053) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:40 PM Author: Low-t wine fortuitous meteor Without a doubt
Also the impact of Brady's under-market salary is ENORMOUS. He's on a deal that pays him an average of $15M. Rodgers is now being paid $33M per year.
The dude has left over $100M on the table at this point |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater I've been saying FOR YEARS on here that the biggest MVP on the Pats is Gisele. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036173) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: Low-t wine fortuitous meteor If Rodgers was making Tom Brady money, the Packers would have Khalil Mack plus some other substantial upgrades at 3-5 other positions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036209) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: Talking factory reset button Ironically none of the impact players BB has brought in have been big salary free agents besides Seymour and Revis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036323) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: Low-t wine fortuitous meteor Sure, but the money still makes a big difference in keeping various guys around.
Packers had to let dudes like Jordy Nelson and Morgan Burnett go this year. Neither of those things would have happened if Rodgers was making $15M less than he is. |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: fuchsia stimulating place of business I really don't understand how/why she is so fucking rich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036566) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:43 PM Author: Laughsome aqua persian some credit to Brady for not playing the paycheck = respect game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036178) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater Easy to do that when your wife is worth $250M (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036212) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: Laughsome aqua persian its pretty easy for most of these quarterbacks making over $10 million. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036238) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:53 PM Author: dead buff toaster what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036260) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater Most of these guys have a short shelf-life and don't have near the endorsement opportunities as some other athletes. And seriously one bad hit and any top QB could be out of the game forever.
Gisele's net worth today is basically what the perfect QB would achieve.
So by marrying Gisele, Tom already had access to the same amount of money as if he'd had the perfect career and tons of endorsements.
So to me it's not much of a sacrifice for him to be earning $20M in salary and endorsements vs $30-35M |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:01 PM Author: Laughsome aqua persian it's not a sacrifice for anyone to make $20 million. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036306) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: dead buff toaster a guy with a net worth on his own of like $150MM plus his wife's fortune of $250MM can more easily turn down $15MM than a guy who has a non-mega wealthy wife and could sufder a career ending injury tomorrow. Would you agree? It takes a shitload of money to take a 50% pay cut so your team can be better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036333) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:11 PM Author: Low-t wine fortuitous meteor On a related note, I strongly suspect that a lot of endorsement deals in professional sports are actually disguised salary payments.
If Robert Kraft wants to back-channel a few million per year to Brady through Under Armor, who is going to stop him?
There is *zero* impetus anywhere to investigate such things.
I don't think law enforcement would give a shit because I can't think of any laws they'd be breaking. Billionaire team owners are not going to sic armies of auditors on one another. |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:16 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater It's all fraud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036405) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:02 PM Author: maize frozen indirect expression Hmm interesting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036672) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Metal Corner Why don't more QBs take discounted deals?
its a salary cap league, money they make can't be used to pay for help around them
they're careers are longer than all their teammates
they're off the field earnings and legacies are more closely tied to the W-L records than any of the other guys
Seems like they could buy themselves long term security for a short term discount
idk, seems like we should have seen more than 1 guy do this, especially considering that 1 guy has more rings than any of these other guys |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: dead buff toaster No fucking way would I give up that much money for legacy type shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036620) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:02 PM Author: Godawful native yeah youd make more money in the long run though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036671) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:52 PM Author: dead buff toaster explain shitlib. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036959) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 6:03 PM Author: Godawful native qbs who won at least a super bowl usually get to cash in on sponsorship and commentary bullshit longer and for money than ones who havent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37037018) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 6:10 PM Author: dead buff toaster right like dan marino, boomer esiason and tony romo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37037072) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: crystalline chapel puppy it's a widely known secret that brady and kraft have handshake deals on giant interests in kraft's funds post-retirement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036678) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:05 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater sport$ is all fraud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036682) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:30 PM Author: Boyish international law enforcement agency french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036845) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater because most of them are a bad season or 2 or one bad injury from being out of the league. look at kaepernick as an example.
you might see some do that if they had guaranteed contracts, |
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Date: October 17th, 2018 12:00 AM Author: Curious blue wagecucks station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37039764) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:05 PM Author: Boyish international law enforcement agency french chef NFL is gonna GAPE Kraft's asshole when it's revealed that he's been paying Brady on the side this whole time. Even the SpyGaping won't have prepared him for this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036688) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater who cares?
i mean that in all sincerity. what are they gonna do? short of stripping titles and changing the record books, it won't matter. it will have been worth it for Kraft.
it's like PED use in baseball. the reason PED use doesn't stop is because players keep contracts "earned" via PED use and teams keep titles "earned" via PED use. |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:29 PM Author: Boyish international law enforcement agency french chef I agree. If they did they'd probably strip them of an entire draft though. I guess theoretically they could "take" trophies/titles away. NCAA has done that to players/teams, e.g. Reggie Bush and Louisville so not completely without precedent.
Then again the faggot NFL burned all the Spygate tapes, which undoubtedly included recorded walkthroughs/practices of the early 2000s Rams/Panthers/Eagles, so faggot Goodell will probably be too chickenshit to take away titles. Definitely would take away draft picks and $ though and we'd get to treat them like Barry Bonds at least and Brady might not get HOF. |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:32 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater Super Bowls are hard enough to win that you'd easily trade some down years to get them.
Is 5 Super Bowl titles worth 5 down years from draft penalties? I bet you almost every owner in the league would say YES emphatically.
If, OTOH, the league invalidated Brady's career and they lost titles AND draft picks, now that would do something.
Imagine if the Red Sox lost their 3 World Series titles in the 2000s bc of PED use. Think they'd be pretty damn clear about testing all their players like every week? |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: drab site can some of the people saying brady (or rodgers) is *obv* better provide some more reasoning or analysis to back it up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036172) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:47 PM Author: Scarlet casino 5 Super Bowls v. 1
Brady has three times as many playoff wins as Rodgers (27 v. 9) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:49 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater that's team success though. the only question is, in a mythical all-time draft, which of the two would you draft first? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036229) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: Talking factory reset button Rodgers definitely. But it's not a huge gap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036245) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: maize frozen indirect expression Brady because of the clutch factor. Same reason why i choose MJ over Lebron, the latter who arguably makes his teammates better than MJ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036289) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: ungodly arrogant resort jfc lol no you wouldn't choose Brady unless you were also drafting BB (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036312) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater I think Brady is a good competitor, but he had almost no pressure.
He won early, which cemented his legacy, and he married Gisele, who made him as wealthy as anyone could be playing football.
The last 10-12 years he's literally had zero pressure on any front. |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:10 PM Author: Boyish international law enforcement agency french chef And 3 more SB losses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036717) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:47 PM Author: crystalline chapel puppy 5 super bowl titles
Countless fourth quarter comebacks
Too may passing and wins (regular season and playoffs) records to count
Brady is he undisputed GOAT by a wide wide wide margin |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:49 PM Author: Talking factory reset button Playoff wins are silly. Rodgers lost close to a dozen playoff games where his team was just totally outmatched by the opponent. Very very rarely was that the case for Brady. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are the Ravens playoff losses and last year against the Eagles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036223) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: Scarlet casino If the wins were somewhat close I'd agree but when it's such a huge gap it's a meaningful factor. Brady has only had a few really elite receivers to throw to (e.g. Randy Moss about a decade ago). Brady basically made some of his receivers (Welker who sucked other places for instance). The Patriots are almost always good because of Brady who's played with rosters that completely turned over from his earlier years in the league. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036274) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: Talking factory reset button Edelman was the 2nd best player on the field in that SB win against the Seahawks and it wasn't particularly close. He roasted the Legion of Boom.
People think because Welker, Edelman et al aren't tall fast guys who can make contested catches that they're not great receivers. |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:59 PM Author: ungodly arrogant resort He roasted Tharold Simon, who was a practice squad player thrust into a full-time role because of injuries (he was really bad)
Seahawks also had a FB playing on the D-line after Avril got concussed |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater Maybe the credit should go to, you know, the coaches and ownership putting together the teams? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036287) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: maize frozen indirect expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036231) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:47 PM Author: Talking factory reset button When you factor in sacks it's close. Rodgers take a ton of sacks who doesn't have to rather than throw it away and risk interceptions. Which is fine, and maybe even optimal, but pretending like a sack isn't a negative play inflates Rodger's worth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036208) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:50 PM Author: Low-t wine fortuitous meteor Yeah Rodgers takes sacks, but he also picks up a LOT more rushing yards. He gets 17.9 yards/game on the ground vs. Brady's 3.8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036610) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: ungodly arrogant resort The real answer might be Brees (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036210) |
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Date: October 17th, 2018 12:03 AM Author: Curious blue wagecucks station true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37039782) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: ungodly arrogant resort Brady wouldn't even be in the conversation w/o Belichick. BB is the actual GOAT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036239) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: bright nofapping hunting ground theater Big time Pats hater here -- I actually think Kraft is really underrated. The best teams in the league tend to have really good ownership. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036271) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: ungodly arrogant resort No question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036273) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:01 PM Author: Talking factory reset button People overrate owners based on luck. Was jerry Jones one of the greatest owners ever back when his team was running shit? No, he got lucky with a great coach and good draft picks. Same for Kraft.
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:13 PM Author: Metal Corner There are a ton of owners who would have figured out a way to let the Patriots fall apart though
Jones turning Jimmy Johnson into Barry Switzer, into Chan Gailey, and then into Dave Campo, is an instructive contrast |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: Wonderful coral home generalized bond Kraft deserves some credit, but not all of the credit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036396) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: Metal Corner These are large organizations with lots of moving parts
no one deserves 'all' the credit
the guys actually cutting the checks deserve more credit than they're typically given
especially when they manage to keep all the relevant ego's from self destructing for 20+ years
the rareness of that should be self evident |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: Wonderful coral home generalized bond BB is the one that kept all the relevant egos in check (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036580) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: crystalline chapel puppy ok this proves you don't know what you're talking about. it's fine and not mad at u but you don't know what you're talking about. it is kraft that's been managing these egos all this time. just this past year he kept brady from quitting when belichick wanted to ban guerrero and trade gronk and strong armed belichick into trading garrapolo to keep brady happy, kept belichick from trading gronk but also worked out a deal whereby guerrero can't ride on the team plane and kept belichick happy by structuring gonrk's deal in incentives, and kept gronk happy by getting him his money even though he is too dubm to realize it's all in incentives (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036598) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 6:07 PM Author: Wonderful coral home generalized bond you are incorrigible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37037048) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 4:01 PM Author: slap-happy dingle berry scourge upon the earth He's a better homosexual, that's for sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036302) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: Pungent spot He has more talent and is capable of more exceptional athletic feats, but Brady has more cold-blooded efficiency and is ultimately a better QB. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036694) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:08 PM Author: Laughsome aqua persian you would not draft brady over rodgers for your generic NFL team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036699) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:09 PM Author: crystalline chapel puppy (fan of very team other than the patriots, which all suck ass because they draft shitty "athletic" qbs)
100/100 times I would |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: Pungent spot Yeah I would. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036722) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: Low-t wine fortuitous meteor No offense but you're one of the worst Packers fans I've ever encountered in my life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036732) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:30 PM Author: maize frozen indirect expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036841) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:32 PM Author: Boyish international law enforcement agency french chef They would. And they'd probably take him at this point over Wentz, Mahomes, Goff, etc., too. They'd all make horrible GMs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036855) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:57 PM Author: Pungent spot I assumed we were looking at this from a career perspective. Obviously you wouldn't take a 41-yo QB to build a team long-term. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036991) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 6:53 PM Author: Metal Corner Absolutely correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37037321) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 5:48 PM Author: talented headpube location Yes and so is Steve Young (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108089&forum_id=2#37036930) |