But the media is forcememing the idea that Americans should be outraged over Saudis killing another Saudi in Turkey.

Why should I care about this dead Saudi so much more than other dead Saudis? I truly don't get it. Is it just an attempt to make Trump look bad when the economy/etc. is kicking ass? Or is it because this dead Saudi wrote some pieces for the WaPo? I'm genuinely curious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041655)

Yes. Journalists get really fucking upset when journalists get killed for their journalism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041972)

What are we talking about?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37042154)

How? The KSA isn't a democracy and never was. No one is under the illusion that it doesn't do this all the time.

"The US can’t say that it doesn’t care about a journalist being butchered in an extraterritorial state sponsored hit"

Why? A huge number of countries we deal with (and even call allies!) do this shit.

"That journalist is an American resident and employee of an American company"

So what? Is he a US Citizen? No? Then he isn't an American. If he was then that would be fair enough, though I can't think of when the US has gone to bat for an actual US Citizen to this extent.

"The government can’t say it isn’t our concern, not just because it would be bad optics but because America is the leader of the worlds democratic nations"

That is literally neo-con propaganda.

"And if the government has to care about this then you should care about it, if you are concerned about the nations geopolitical fortunes."

This too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041728)

https://www.newsweek.com/mexico-marines-execute-american-citizens-texas-border-786250

The US isn't going to war or nuking a country because "omg, they DARED fuck with a US citizen".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041886)

What the fuck does your first link have to do with this? Was one of those murder victims a journalist for an American media company who was butchered in an Argentine consulate?

And who the fuck said the US should nuke someone to avenge Khassogi you stupid Russian midget?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041932)

And lol @ limiting this to this exact scenario. You're such a loony.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041969)

Let Bezos raise a militia then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041988)

Not sure what you’re saying. I’m making a descriptive observation. This has the potential to destabilize geopolitical relations. It already has dummy. Lindsay Graham was on TV this morning telling the Saudis to depose MbS

- “The US can’t say that it doesn’t care about a journalist being butchered in an extraterritorial state sponsored hit" Why? A huge number of countries we deal with (and even call allies!) do this shit.

No, Boris, you are thinking of your native 🇷🇺, where journalists and lawyers are routinely poisoned and thrown out of windows.

- “The government can’t say it isn’t our concern, not just because it would be bad optics but because America is the leader of the worlds democratic nations" That is literally neo-con propaganda.

No dumbfuck, this is also a descriptive statement. America is the leader of the worlds democratic nations. Russia, your native country and the country you hold allegiance to, is the leader of the worlds undemocratic nations. That is also a descriptive statement

- “And if the government has to care about this then you should care about it, if you are concerned about the nations geopolitical fortunes." This too.

As noted above, you are a Russian and that country is where your allegiances lie. You are not concerned with the US’s geopolitical fortunes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041813)

That is the US destabilizing geopolitical relations. That isn't a reason for the US to "care". This is the problem, not the solution.

"No, Boris, you are thinking of your native 🇷🇺, where journalists and lawyers are routinely poisoned and thrown out of windows"

Happens in new US ally Ukraine too.

"No dumbfuck, this is also a descriptive statement. America is the leaders of the worlds democratic nations. Russia, your native country and the country you hold allegiance to, is the leaders of the worlds undemocratic nations. That is also a descriptive statement"

LOL, you're actually insane.

"As noted above, you are a Russian and that country is where your allegiances lie. You are not concerned with the US’s geopolitical fortunes"

Yep, still insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041908)

This statement is wrong because [x]. Please solve for x, Boris.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041951)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-25/eu-defies-trump-with-plan-to-enable-continued-trade-with-iran

Anything involving Israel

You lose again, nutjob.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37042018)

And the EU not allowing Trump to unilaterally undo a multilateral nuclear agreement with Iran that the vast majority of the US governing structure wanted to be left intact?

When your dumb vatnik wife says stupid shit like this I can accept that she is being sincere, because she has a 110 iq. But you are just dishonest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37042051)

This is an example of the EU clearly telling the US to fuck off and not just "accepting US leadership".

You got pwn3d.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37042075)

This isn't even talking about the numerous journalists and news outlets that are outright banned in Ukraine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37049920)

MOSCOW � A Russian journalist who had reported recently on clandestine Russian paramilitary groups in Syria died Sunday after falling from the balcony of his fifth-floor apartment in Yekaterinburg, authorities there said.

The journalist, Maksim Borodin, 32, was hospitalized in a coma after he was found sprawled out below his balcony in the city�s Kirov district on Thursday, according to New Day, the local news agency where he had worked. On Sunday morning, he died.

Investigators summoned to the scene had found the door to his apartment locked from the inside, a police spokesman, Valery Gorelykh, told the local E1 news agency. �Those facts suggest that no one left the apartment and that there were probably no strangers there,� he said.

While police are still investigating Borodin�s death, it is not being treated as suspicious, Russia�s Investigative Committee said in a statement.

Yet in a country where opposition activists and muckraking journalists are routinely attacked and sometimes killed in connection with their work, that assertion was met with derision in some quarters. The doubters pointed to a telephone call Borodin made the day before he fell.

In the call early Wednesday, he told a friend, Vyacheslav Bashkov, that there was a man with a gun on his balcony, and that several others in masks and camouflage clothing were lurking in the stairwell leading to his apartment. In an interview, Bashkov said that Borodin had called back an hour later and said he had been mistaken and that he thought the armed men were probably taking part in a training exercise.

Around the same time, Borodin reached out to another friend, Yulia Fedotova, about the armed men surrounding his apartment. But in a telephone interview, Fedotova urged caution about assigning blame for his death.

�Let�s switch on our logic here,� she said. �Why would someone break into his apartment in broad daylight and throw him off his balcony? Even if some serious people wanted him dead, they would know that a person can survive such a fall.�

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37050034)

So it's only "destabilizing" because Americans are getting histrionic over it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37055359)

go be a resident in africa employed by an african company

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041859)

Once we had a President who hated ISIS, he quickly destroyed them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041775)

That's the whole story.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37055369)

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Jamal Khashoggi's killing took seven minutes, Turkish source tells MEE

#Khashoggi

Middle East Eye publishes first details of audio tape acquired by Turkish investigators probing what happened to Saudi journalist

It took seven minutes for Jamal Khashoggi to die, a Turkish source who has listened in full to an audio recording of the Saudi journalist's last moments told Middle East Eye.

Khashoggi was dragged from the consul-general’s office at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul and onto the table of his study next door, the Turkish source said.

Horrendous screams were then heard by a witness downstairs, the source said.

"The consul himself was taken out of the room. There was no attempt to interrogate him. They had come to kill him,” the source told MEE.

The screaming stopped when Khashoggi - who was last seen entering the Saudi consulate on 2 October - was injected with an as yet unknown substance.

Salah Muhammad al-Tubaigy, who has been identified as the head of forensic evidence in the Saudi general security department, was one of the 15-member squad who arrived in Ankara earlier that day on a private jet.

Tubaigy began to cut Khashoggi’s body up on a table in the study while he was still alive, the Turkish source said.

The killing took seven minutes, the source said.

As he started to dismember the body, Tubaigy put on earphones and listened to music. He advised other members of the squad to do the same.

“When I do this job, I listen to music. You should do [that] too,” Tubaigy was recorded as saying, the source told MEE.

A three-minute version of the audio tape has been given to Turkish newspaper Sabah, but they have yet to release it.

Saudi national Salah Muhammad A Tubaigy at Ataturk Airport on 2 October 2018 (AFP/Sabah/screengrab)

A Turkish source told the New York Times that Tubaigy was equipped with a bone saw. He is listed as the president of the Saudi Fellowship of Forensic Pathology and a member of the Saudi Association for Forensic Pathology.

In 2014, London-based Saudi newspaper Asharaq al-Awsat interviewed Tubaigy about a mobile clinic that allows coroners to perform autopsies in seven minutes to determine the cause of death of Hajj pilgrims.

The newspaper reported that the mobile clinic was partly designed by Tubaigy and could be used in "security cases that requires pathologist intervention to perform an autopsy or examine a body at the place of a crime”.

These are the first details to emerge of the Saudi journalist’s killing. Khashoggi was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October to retrieve paperwork.

To date, Saudi officials have strongly denied any involvement in his disappearance and say that he left the consulate soon after arriving. However, they have not presented any evidence to corroborate their claim and say that video cameras at the consulate were not recording at the time.

Calls for credible investigation grow louder

On Tuesday, both US President Donald Trump and Mike Pompeo, his secretary of state, came out in support of Saudi officials's denials they know anything about what happened to Khashoggi.

Trump tweeted that he spoke to Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who "totally denied any knowledge of what took place" in Istanbul. Trump said MBS told him "that he has already started, and will rapidly expand, a full and complete investigation into this matter".

On Monday, CNN reported that Saudi Arabia was preparing to release a report that would blame Khashoggi's death on a botched interrogation.

That would be a sharp reversal of earlier statements in which Saudi officials said they had nothing to do with the journalist's disappearance and said he left the Saudi consulate minutes after he first arrived on 2 October.

Khashoggi, a prominent journalist and columnist for the Washington Post, had been living in self-imposed exile in the US capital when he disappeared.

On Tuesday, Washington Post publisher and CEO Fred Ryan called for a "full and honest explanation" of Khashoggi's disappearance.

"The Saudi government can no longer remain silent, and it is essential that our own government and others push harder for the truth," Ryan said in a statement. "Until we have a full account and full accountability, it cannot be business as usual with the Saudi government."

The United Nations human rights chief also called for diplomatic immunity to be lifted for officials who might be involved in Khashoggi's disappearance.

Due to the seriousness of the case, the immunity generally accorded to diplomats "should be waived immediately", Michelle Bachelet said.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-khashoggi-829291552

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37041897)

Holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37042031)

I don’t think this should or will have any impact on our relations with that country since the relationship is 100% mercantilist in nature, but it is also proper to raise a huge stink over this behavior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37042407)

heh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37042655)

It has nothing to do with morals, democratic norms, or smart foreign policy. Its reflexive anti-Trumpism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37042567)

Put another way, my OP wasn't saying that murdering that guy was okay. Instead, I'm curious about why we in the US are supposed to be freaking the fuck out over this dude getting killed, when the Saudis kill people for being gay, etc., but there's nothing even approaching the level of uproar regarding this Khashoggi guy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37050220)

I can see why Turkey would care - it took place in their country. I can see why Saudis would care - he was one of their citizens and it took place in their consulate apparently by operatives of their government. But I'm not seeing why this is front-page news day after day for *Americans*.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37050488)

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Look man, the US needs to stand against things like journalists being sawed alive in consulates by extraterritorial “diplomatic” assassins. This is Russian thinking you are exhibiting. #Resist it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37050425)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37050697)

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108756&mc=1&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37050813)

Lol libs really are all neo conservatives now. So weird

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37050729)

What comes after words dont work?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37050787)

Libs love to throw out “sanctions” as a solution to everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4108772&forum_id=2#37050846)