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Partisanship aside GOP needs to pivot on healthcare

That may be the only policy issue that damaged republicans i...
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  11/08/18
Another day that ends in Y, another suggestion that what the...
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But he said partisanship aside?
Sir Incelot
  11/08/18
Oh, I missed that. In that case, this makes perfect sense. ...
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  11/08/18
OK fag lose POTUS and senate and be content that you are sti...
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  11/08/18
1. no major legislation is getting passed on anything in the...
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  11/08/18
and the dems passed a gop healthcare plan called obamacare.....
Boomer Life-Coach Telling You To Accept Diversity
  11/09/18
every single fucking day the "white working class"...
.,.,.,,....,.,.,.,..,..,.,..,.,.,
  11/09/18
gun control hurt them as well. it only helps them in rural ...
.,.,.,,....,.,.,.,..,..,.,..,.,.,
  11/09/18
They need to take on higher education costs. This could p...
Sir Incelot
  11/08/18
"source of Dem power," you mean a seething cultura...
;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.;
  11/08/18
Youre confusing motives and means
Sir Incelot
  11/08/18
If the Trump/ Jewish divide has shown anything, it's that co...
;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.;
  11/08/18
Gen Y will save us. If we can provide them with an affordabl...
Sir Incelot
  11/08/18
a huge % of boomers still see higher ed as sacred cow
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  11/08/18
You approach it from a position of waste and corruption. ...
Sir Incelot
  11/08/18
So. . .GOP will win back Youngs by saying the reason their t...
Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command)
  11/09/18
Agreed. Wonder if the gov't could tie federal funding to kee...
Baron Mark von Ironside
  11/08/18
Just start forcing open their books. Once people realize ...
Sir Incelot
  11/08/18
I don't think that would do it.
Baron Mark von Ironside
  11/08/18
Libs look at the University system as their church and will ...
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  11/08/18
Again. . .you believe the GOP can peel off Youngs by telling...
Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command)
  11/09/18
Administrative bloat is one of the causes, yes.
Sir Incelot
  11/09/18
99% of young libs do not care about college costs at all. mo...
...,...,.::..;,.,:,:,,..,::.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::.,
  11/08/18
most ppls parents pay for college
.,,,.,.,,...,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,....:..,:.::,.
  11/08/18
most of the country isn't Bel-air brother
Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman
  11/08/18
During the 2016 campaign Trump had talked about privatizing ...
Get Thee To The Rapery
  11/09/18
I agree. There's a big difference between making "conc...
the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)
  11/08/18
MFCR
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Indianapolis Ravens
  11/08/18
Seems cr to me
flip flop prole in first class
  11/08/18
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Shia LaBOOF
  11/08/18
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Indianapolis Ravens
  11/08/18
closing the boarder is the first step to fixing healthcare. ...
.,,,.,.,,...,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,....:..,:.::,.
  11/08/18
The problem is the only fix is the feds getting out of healt...
Mario Verduzco
  11/09/18
Go back so israel
Morning In America
  11/09/18
Grand Bargain: full Nationalized Healthcare -- after we sec...
2 Front Doors
  11/09/18
id be so happy
flip flop prole in first class
  11/09/18
This qualifies as MAGA in my book.
;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.;
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Mario Verduzco
  11/09/18
UNNNGGGHH
thin, fatfucks
  11/09/18
They already have done this actually, a lot of the ancillary...
Such anathema to us!
  11/09/18
The preexisting shit is why my premiums AND deductibles have...
Mario Verduzco
  11/09/18
don't you get it? NOTHING CAN CHANGE in america, not for the...
Boomer Life-Coach Telling You To Accept Diversity
  11/09/18
which is why it's all about defeating Trump no matter what b...
libcrusher180
  11/09/18
Single payer for wall + mass deportations. Make the deal.
proles in Owsley County, KY partying in the street
  11/09/18
tempting
Insane right-wing gun nut
  11/09/18
Price controls is the solution.
Mario Verduzco
  11/09/18
those have worked well in the past
Insane right-wing gun nut
  11/09/18
Docs gouge people.
Mario Verduzco
  11/09/18
I don’t think so. The costs have to be absurd to subs...
Insane right-wing gun nut
  11/10/18
You can't have a national/federal single payer system. It w...
libcrusher180
  11/09/18
healthcare is fucked because it flat-out costs too much and ...
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  11/09/18
the only way to fix the health care system is to crash the e...
libcrusher180
  11/09/18
yeah, nothing substantial can be reformed in america now...t...
Boomer Life-Coach Telling You To Accept Diversity
  11/10/18
We need real healthcare freedom (including ending distortion...
Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson
  11/09/18
we also need to wipe out the entire tax return scam and simp...
Boomer Life-Coach Telling You To Accept Diversity
  11/10/18
I honestly don't follow this shit. Seems like they got rid...
Julius Caesar's Mattress
  11/09/18
of course health care needs cost reform. universal coverage...
Marty McFly's Japanese truck
  11/09/18
In which universe do you live in that you presume everyone w...
Insane right-wing gun nut
  11/10/18


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Date: November 8th, 2018 9:57 AM
Author: ..,,,..,,,;;;....;;....,,...


That may be the only policy issue that damaged republicans in 2018. They need to give up on the heritage foundation BS and pivot on healthcare

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188444)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:00 AM
Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.;


Another day that ends in Y, another suggestion that what the GOP needs to to win votes is to take up liberal priorities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188475)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:02 AM
Author: Sir Incelot

But he said partisanship aside?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188493)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:03 AM
Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.;


Oh, I missed that. In that case, this makes perfect sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188512)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:06 AM
Author: ..,,,..,,,;;;....;;....,,...


OK fag lose POTUS and senate and be content that you are sticking to your ideology while out of power

Healthcare is an emotional issue and onw thing that can drive ppl to the other side. Ppl have a much higher threshold for other issues - rising labor costs due to illegals being squeezed etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188543)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:11 AM
Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.;


1. no major legislation is getting passed on anything in the next 2 years.

2. anything presented by the GOP will be decried as literal murder.

You don't seem to understand that immigration and healthcare are the means that libs/ dems are trying to use to secure a permanent majority. They are not dumb, this shit works. Import minor ties by the million and they vote lib. Put the fed. gov. in charge of health care and people are going to vote lib because libs will ALWAYS be the party offering more generous benefits.

To that end, dems/lib will resist (violently if necessary) any effort on the GOP's part to take these issues from them.

This is why Obama, when the dems controlled all 3 branches of gov and had a filibuster proof senate, only focused on healthcare. It's smart and I don't see how it doesn't work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188600)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:42 AM
Author: Boomer Life-Coach Telling You To Accept Diversity

and the dems passed a gop healthcare plan called obamacare...a nightmare....the fact is that the dems promised single payer and never delivered and they never WILL deliver...the best hope is a breakup of the USA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37196225)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:12 AM
Author: .,.,.,,....,.,.,.,..,..,.,..,.,.,


every single fucking day the "white working class" share of the vote shrinks.

you either need to start winning minorities or winning whites with college degrees. those are your only two options. pick one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37197133)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:12 AM
Author: .,.,.,,....,.,.,.,..,..,.,..,.,.,


gun control hurt them as well. it only helps them in rural areas they already win. guarantee you they lost several suburban districts on the issue of gun control.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37197123)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:03 AM
Author: Sir Incelot

They need to take on higher education costs.

This could peel a ton of young people away and degrade a source of Dem power.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188501)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:04 AM
Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.;


"source of Dem power," you mean a seething cultural dislike for white males, the constitution, and America in general?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188528)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:05 AM
Author: Sir Incelot

Youre confusing motives and means

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188537)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:06 AM
Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.;


If the Trump/ Jewish divide has shown anything, it's that concessions to lib bases are totally pointless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188546)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:09 AM
Author: Sir Incelot

Gen Y will save us. If we can provide them with an affordable educatuin tbat doesnt require trillions of federally backed student loans, they might flip.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188573)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:05 AM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed (You Have the Plague)

a huge % of boomers still see higher ed as sacred cow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188534)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: Sir Incelot

You approach it from a position of waste and corruption.

Start with an informational campaign that focuses on all the waste - obscene administrator salaries, tens of millions on diversity initiatives, lazy rivers, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188553)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (#MAGA My Attorney Got Arrested)

So. . .GOP will win back Youngs by saying the reason their tuition is so high is because of "diversity initiatives"?

Uh. . .maybe you should re think that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37197100)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: Baron Mark von Ironside

Agreed. Wonder if the gov't could tie federal funding to keeping tuition and fees below some amount.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188556)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:11 AM
Author: Sir Incelot

Just start forcing open their books.

Once people realize a VP Of Diversity is making six figures, they will revolt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188591)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:12 AM
Author: Baron Mark von Ironside

I don't think that would do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188601)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:13 AM
Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.;


Libs look at the University system as their church and will react similarly to any religious group if the fed. gov. tries to reign back their source of money (or power & influence).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188618)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:10 AM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (#MAGA My Attorney Got Arrested)

Again. . .you believe the GOP can peel off Youngs by telling them their Director of Diversity is the cause of their ridiculously high tuition rates?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37197105)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:48 PM
Author: Sir Incelot

Administrative bloat is one of the causes, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37200886)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:27 AM
Author: ...,...,.::..;,.,:,:,,..,::.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::.,


99% of young libs do not care about college costs at all. most recent college students would like doubling or tripling college costs because it's mo' money fo dem SJW programs, and will never ever consider voting for a republican at all anyway. the non-college bound libs probably think of $100k student debt as sticking it to the privileged whites.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188754)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 1:28 PM
Author: .,,,.,.,,...,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,....:..,:.::,.


most ppls parents pay for college

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37190388)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman

most of the country isn't Bel-air brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37190416)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:48 AM
Author: Get Thee To The Rapery

During the 2016 campaign Trump had talked about privatizing the loans again and requiring that banks inform students of the average salary post-graduation for their desired degree. Probably more second-term type stuff if he even bothers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37196236)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:12 AM
Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)

I agree. There's a big difference between making "concessions" and continuing the transformation of the GOP from the party of WORTHLESS CUCKS to the party of TRUMP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188609)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:13 AM
Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.;


MFCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188623)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:39 AM
Author: Indianapolis Ravens



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188845)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:12 AM
Author: flip flop prole in first class (ggtp)

Seems cr to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188611)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:16 AM
Author: Shia LaBOOF (LaMarcus)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188639)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 10:39 AM
Author: Indianapolis Ravens



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37188843)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: .,,,.,.,,...,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,....:..,:.::,.


closing the boarder is the first step to fixing healthcare. jumping into an empty pool headfirst and saying govt will pay for everything like libs want will be very very bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37190359)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:17 AM
Author: Mario Verduzco

The problem is the only fix is the feds getting out of health insurance and people with preexisting conditions are fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37196181)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:33 AM
Author: Morning In America (🙏 )

Go back so israel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37196210)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:35 AM
Author: 2 Front Doors

Grand Bargain:

full Nationalized Healthcare -- after we secure border and end birthright citizenship.

libs would never accept it, interestingly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37196212)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:38 AM
Author: flip flop prole in first class (ggtp)

id be so happy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37196221)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:05 AM
Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.;


This qualifies as MAGA in my book.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37197068)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:43 PM
Author: Mario Verduzco



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37200844)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 9:02 PM
Author: thin, fatfucks

UNNNGGGHH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37201001)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:48 AM
Author: Such anathema to us! (as The Americans)

They already have done this actually, a lot of the ancillary Obamacare provisions (like pre-existing condition protection), which are actually the most politically popular (and also populist/Trumpy) parts of Obamacare, are absolutely not going away.

I agree this could have been articulated better, though, because somehow Congressional Dems managed to campaign on MUH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS messaging (and it worked so well that a mentally-addled Nancy Pelosi couldn't help but give an incoherent shoutout about it in her victory speech) even though I don't think any Republican short of Rand Paul and Justin Amash actually would do away with them.

The message from the GOP should have been "all that stuff is great, but we can't do it with caravans arriving daily".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37196237)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:44 PM
Author: Mario Verduzco

The preexisting shit is why my premiums AND deductibles have increased tenfold since Obamacare was passed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37200855)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:54 AM
Author: Boomer Life-Coach Telling You To Accept Diversity

don't you get it? NOTHING CAN CHANGE in america, not for the better, nothing significant, anyway...the Dem base TRIED to get single payer healthcare in 2008 and instead got a welfare program for the corporations...NOTHING significant can or will change for the better...congress is bought and paid for--and not just with donations but with stock trading tips etc...and the judges are brainwashed from youth with elite multiculti propaganda...nothing can change...

the only hope we have is a huge economic collapse...and then that way the government will have little power...and then the killings can begin...a massive spree of death will ensue...and whites cannot win unless we use technology....

there is one good thing about the immigration invasion--it will hasten the collapse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37196263)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:57 PM
Author: libcrusher180 (😎)

which is why it's all about defeating Trump no matter what because trillions of dollars are at stake

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37200951)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: proles in Owsley County, KY partying in the street

Single payer for wall + mass deportations. Make the deal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37197120)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:51 PM
Author: Insane right-wing gun nut

tempting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37200905)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:46 PM
Author: Mario Verduzco

Price controls is the solution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37200864)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 8:53 PM
Author: Insane right-wing gun nut

those have worked well in the past

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37200918)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Mario Verduzco

Docs gouge people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37201270)



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Date: November 10th, 2018 8:19 AM
Author: Insane right-wing gun nut

I don’t think so. The costs have to be absurd to subsidize all the people who don’t pay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37202726)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 9:01 PM
Author: libcrusher180 (😎)

You can't have a national/federal single payer system. It will be totally fucked like Obamacare is. You're going to have to make the states come up with their own options/plans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37200982)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 9:02 PM
Author: ,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,..,..,..,.,,..,.,,.


healthcare is fucked because it flat-out costs too much and has been inflating way above the background rate of inflation for decades. without dealing with THAT, NOTHING will work to "reform" it. we're going to have to use karl denninger's solutions and blow up the whole system using antitrust prosecutions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37200998)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 9:51 PM
Author: libcrusher180 (😎)

the only way to fix the health care system is to crash the entire health care and health insurance industries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37201316)



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Date: November 10th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: Boomer Life-Coach Telling You To Accept Diversity

yeah, nothing substantial can be reformed in america now...there is no change of real reform to any significant part of america now...it must be taken down somehow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37203370)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 9:04 PM
Author: Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson

We need real healthcare freedom (including ending distortionary tax incentives) and, as a political compromise, some backstop for poors/olds/kids. Unless you wanna wait months/years for basic shit like in Canada

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37201015)



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Date: November 10th, 2018 7:55 AM
Author: Boomer Life-Coach Telling You To Accept Diversity

we also need to wipe out the entire tax return scam and simplify it radically, which was a trump campaign promise

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37202685)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 9:48 PM
Author: Julius Caesar's Mattress

I honestly don't follow this shit. Seems like they got rid of the mandate. Nothing seems that different for me over the last decade, so not sure what they are fighting over.

Cliffs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37201297)



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Date: November 9th, 2018 10:16 PM
Author: Marty McFly's Japanese truck

of course health care needs cost reform. universal coverage can be tweaked if everyone pays in--that's not hard.

but the cost structure is fucked up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37201471)



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Date: November 10th, 2018 8:37 AM
Author: Insane right-wing gun nut

In which universe do you live in that you presume everyone will pay in?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127519&forum_id=2#37202772)