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Why some activists think it’s time for fully open borders. (NYT)

A victory for Democrats this midterms, President Donald Trum...
animeboi
  11/08/18
he's entirely making this up but here's an example of how he...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
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Guy Debord
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ESPRIT.wav
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guy who gets it
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DrakeMallard
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"Rojas, whose sociological work studies how once-fringe...
THOT_RAVAGER
  11/08/18
The antiwar movement in the early 2000s wasn't even remotely...
animeboi
  11/08/18
Equal in the eyes of God (the Vox boys are big time God peop...
leolenin
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guy who gets it
  11/08/18
Wait what Rojas explains. “So in the same way that...
michael doodikoff
  11/08/18
Just set as a baseline that it is impossible to have a job o...
leolenin
  11/08/18
Libs cogent as ever. Does labor supply affect employment/...
Boichester United
  11/08/18
he has to go back.
don't run nigga i see you
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animeboi
  11/08/18
Didnt Keith Ellison wear an Open Borders t shirt
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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:21 PM
Author: animeboi

A victory for Democrats this midterms, President Donald Trump warned before the election, is a victory for a terrible, dangerous idea: open borders.

Trump is entirely making this up, to be clear, but he’s hammered this point repeatedly. “The Democrat platform is a 2018 socialism, open borders edict,” he declared at a rally in Cleveland the night before the election. In October, he informed a Kansas crowd that “Every single Democrat in the U.S. Senate has signed up for the open borders, and it’s a bill, it’s called the ‘open borders bill.’” (No, they haven’t, and there’s no such bill.) Democrats, he tweeted in June, “want Open Borders and Unlimited Crime.” (While “Unlimited Crime” is a cool band name, it’s not a real proposal.)

The US does not have anything resembling open borders, and no major politician in the US wants to have open borders. But Fabio Rojas does want open borders, and on the latest episode of the Future Perfect podcast, he tells us why.

Rojas, a sociology professor at Indiana University Bloomington, is part of a small but growing movement of libertarians and leftists who are questioning the need for any restrictions on entering the United States.

Immigration to the US, open borders advocates argue, raises most native-born Americans’ incomes, promotes innovation by increasing our pool of skilled entrepreneurs and inventors, and hasn’t led to major problems with assimilation. “Migrants create jobs because they have to eat, which means they have to buy stuff from the supermarket. They have to drive a car, which means they have to go to the gas station,” Rojas explains. “So in the same way that a person from Indiana doesn’t steal a job from a native of Chicago, a person from Mexico doesn’t steal a job from a person in California.”

To most people engaged in practical politics, this all might sound absurd. The Trump administration is locking up migrant children, whipping up a racist panic against a “caravan” of aspiring immigrants, and threatening to end birthright citizenship. Doing anything remotely positive for immigrants in that environment is hard; open borders sounds downright fantastical.

Leon Fresco, an immigration attorney who was the primary drafter of the 2013 “Gang of Eight” immigration bill and served as deputy assistant attorney general for the Office of Immigration Litigation under President Obama, has spent much of the Trump years trying to get a very tiny change to immigration law: a tweak to make it easier for Chinese and Indian immigrants to get green cards (they are currently limited by arbitrary per-country caps). The idea has massive bipartisan support, with senators from Tom Cotton on the right to Kamala Harris on the left signing on and 329 co-sponsors in the House (more than three-quarters of the House’s members).

But even that has been a struggle! “People have asked us to, I don’t know, show us that you have a thousand members in our district that care about this!” Fresco recalls. “And so we’d have to come up with a rally in, you know, a week.” When we asked Fresco what he’d say if we asked him to strategize for an open borders bill, he replied, “The very simple answer is we can’t get that accomplished.”

Rojas, whose sociological work studies how once-fringe movements (like Black Power or the antiwar movement in the early 2000s) can become mainstream, is more optimistic. “A couple of hundred years ago, if you said that black people and white people were equal in the eyes of God, people would have been horrified. They would have said, ‘No, no, blacks and whites are different.’ But you just slowly make the argument,” he says. “We have to communicate with people and say: America is a great country when it’s a country of open doors.”

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/11/7/18068474/future-perfect-podcast-open-borders-midterm-election

"Migrants create jobs because they have to eat, which means they have to buy stuff from the supermarket." The logic is irrefutable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37190939)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:22 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

he's entirely making this up but here's an example of how he's not making this up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37190948)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Guy Debord



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37190960)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:26 PM
Author: ESPRIT.wav (📫)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37190977)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:27 PM
Author: guy who gets it (donny)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37190980)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:51 PM
Author: DrakeMallard (Let's get dangerous)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37191182)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: THOT_RAVAGER

"Rojas, whose sociological work studies how once-fringe movements (like Black Power or the antiwar movement in the early 2000s) can become mainstream, is more optimistic. “A couple of hundred years ago, if you said that black people and white people were equal in the eyes of God, people would have been horrified. They would have said, ‘No, no, blacks and whites are different.’ But you just slowly make the argument,” he says. “We have to communicate with people and say: America is a great country when it’s a country of open doors.”

burst out laughing at the office

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37190965)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:27 PM
Author: animeboi

The antiwar movement in the early 2000s wasn't even remotely "fringe".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37190983)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: leolenin

Equal in the eyes of God (the Vox boys are big time God people)=exactly the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37191058)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: guy who gets it (donny)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37190989)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: michael doodikoff

Wait what

Rojas explains. “So in the same way that a person from Indiana doesn’t steal a job from a native of Chicago, a person from Mexico doesn’t steal a job from a person in California.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37190998)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:38 PM
Author: leolenin

Just set as a baseline that it is impossible to have a job opportunity usurped by another and ....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37191077)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:09 PM
Author: Boichester United

Libs cogent as ever.

Does labor supply affect employment/wages? Yes. Are destitute immigrants likely to work under the table/for under minimum wage? Yes.

But a Mexican can't literally steal a job from a Californian, in a technical legal sense, sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37191321)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: don't run nigga i see you

he has to go back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37191032)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:35 PM
Author: animeboi

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37191042)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


Didnt Keith Ellison wear an Open Borders t shirt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127852&forum_id=2#37191327)