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Black male friend of mine who went to a T6 still has not passed the bar. Sad.

If he had just used his UG degree to get some BS AA job at a...
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Sad. How many times has he taken it?
cannon
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At least 3. Maybe way more.
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What's his problem then. If he got into T6 then he's smart ...
TRUMPASAURUS REX
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"If he got into T6 then he's smart enough to pass the b...
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Are you kidding? AA at a T6 doesn't mean that your aver...
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I'm not saying that all black males fail or that none can pa...
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So … my original question: I wonder why the poor bas...
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Plenty of 120 IQ people can't pass the bar after multiple at...
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Hmmm. How does this happen?
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IQ is not the only factor in the ability to pass the bar. Pe...
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spaceporn graduated behind AA URMs at his "T7" and...
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Then please explain the 5-7% of t6 students that fail the ba...
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"if someone fails once, they're much more likely to fai...
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The fact you took the test once before helps, but it is more...
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Why would you have less time to study? Everyone has weekend...
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Please read these studies before I engage you any further. ...
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Hm. Thank you. I will read them. In the meantime, you cou...
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Conversing with you is like conversing with a women. You ref...
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I will set aside my resentment at what appears to be a thoug...
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"...I'm just guarded whenever there are assumptions mad...
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Yes? And how does that relate to being guarded whenever ass...
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I'm not Spaceporn and there's no need to defame his memory m...
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(spaceporn)
Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman
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Yes, I think you are getting somewhere with this. I get...
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It is self evident. Do you really need me to explain? I can ...
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I know its self-evident. But I like to see the effort to co...
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Your admission to being high in negative emotion explains th...
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I don't think so, at least as for the present, and for purpo...
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Test anxiety is such a well-established phenomenon, I will t...
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you literally need like a 95 IQ to pass the bar in most stat...
85 IQ migrant generating wealth
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Based on a quick review of the likely conversion numbers for...
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that's right. the comment to which you are responding is ju...
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WUSTL grad by chance?
Watcher in the Woods
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No. Pretty sure this is the outcome for ~65% of the blac...
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no way. why are bar passage rates so high then
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No fucking way is this true. This is easily a bottom 10% out...
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https://abovethelaw.com/2017/11/a-breakdown-of-new-york-bar-...
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Top Law schools only have ~9 black males per class assuming ...
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Not a lawmo but this sounds like total bullshit
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I may be off by 30% or so, but it's seriously around that ba...
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How the fuck did a black dude at a T6 not get a full scholar...
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That includes UG also. Not sure of breakdown between LS and ...
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not to mention work study
TRUMPASAURUS REX
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he a good keed, dindu nuffin!
Punctuation Monica
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and he still votes straight Dem lol
libcrusher180
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100%. He's a total SJW constantly ranting about typical SJW ...
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he on da down low, den.
Punctuation Monica
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If I had to bet on it, yes.
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Welp, I think we've figured out what he's doing in his spare...
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If he got into a T6, even under AA, he should be able to pas...
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Yes, most should be able to, but the fact remains that many ...
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Does he actually want to be an attorney? Some people self sa...
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OP, has your friend considered the regular use of anti-anxie...
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is this cr? why not addy or something?
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Yeah, why not just something to cut down on the panic-fog a ...
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Pretty cr advice for non-high iqmos
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My white friend went to a true TTT in his late 20s, took on ...
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nonlawmo here. what are typically the "hard" parts...
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Some people just cant memorize enough or have shit applicati...
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how many hours study time total (on average) for an exam lik...
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Almost impossible to answer these questions. Most people...
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I would think about 200 hours of reviewing barbri outlines a...
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Adding to my first post above: I'd guess my friend is abo...
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How did he get into a T6 with a 155? Calling flame
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He said he went to a "true TTT". diff person than ...
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Oh then he is prob fucked. Tell him to become a compliance m...
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I will tell him to get right on that, I am sure employers wi...
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Just need a recommendation. In my office there is a guy who ...
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Dindu NUFFIN! Good Keeed
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WTF is this bar exam is hard flame? I took my bar 11 years a...
Stepping over Syringes in San Fran
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Was easy as fuck for me too. At first I followed the BARBRI ...
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I had all the scored Multistate questions correct too. But ...
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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:42 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


If he had just used his UG degree to get some BS AA job at a large corporation, he'd be doing great. Instead he's $250k in debt and has been bouncing around JD-not-required BS quasi-legal/compliance jobs every few years probably making $60k/year. He graduated law school around 2011.

Sad that shitlibs screw over good guys like him with AA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191121)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:43 PM
Author: cannon

Sad. How many times has he taken it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191125)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:44 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


At least 3. Maybe way more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191131)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:00 PM
Author: TRUMPASAURUS REX

What's his problem then. If he got into T6 then he's smart enough to pass the bar after multiple attempts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191252)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:05 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


"If he got into T6 then he's smart enough to pass the bar after multiple attempts."

(Shitlib who thinks that AA magically makes people smarter)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191290)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:08 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

Are you kidding?

AA at a T6 doesn't mean that your average 85 IQ black can get admitted there.

I'm sure your friend is smarter than the average black, and presumably is higher than white average as well, say 115 or 120 or so.

As for the bar exam, it's not set so that only the smartest can pass--there are plenty of people w IQ 115-120 who pass the bar exam after a few attempts.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191314)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:11 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


I'm not saying that all black males fail or that none can pass if they keep trying. Just stating the facts. Nothing you said contradicts a plain reading of what I'm saying.

T6 school still have ~15-25 students who fail the bar each class and it tends to be nearly all AA students -- especially the black males.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191331)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:12 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

So … my original question: I wonder why the poor bastard can't pass after multiple attempts. By all measures, even factoring in the AA sandtrap, he should have passed by now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191340)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:13 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


Plenty of 120 IQ people can't pass the bar after multiple attempts. Not too complicated.

CA bar passage rate is only like 40% or something. Lots of those people are 120+ IQ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191344)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:13 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

Hmmm.

How does this happen?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191346)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:16 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


IQ is not the only factor in the ability to pass the bar. Personality trait Conscientiousness is almost certainly highly correlated, and so is Personality trait Sensitivity to Negative Emotion.

If you're anywhere near the IQ range that makes it hard to pass the bar, being low in Conscientiousness and/or high in Sensitivity to Negative Emotion could easily make it very very hard for you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191371)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:18 PM
Author: ESPRIT.wav (📫)

spaceporn graduated behind AA URMs at his "T7" and still passed the bar. seriously doubt the AA students at T6 schools would fail the bar more than once or twice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191389)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


Then please explain the 5-7% of t6 students that fail the bar the first time. Also keep in mind that if someone fails once, they're much more likely to fail a second time. They don't magically get better at the test. In fact they won't have the time to devote to studying since they will probably be working full time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191416)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:23 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

"if someone fails once, they're much more likely to fail a second time. They don't magically get better at the test."

Yes, this stat probably would apply to someone in the 115-120 range who fails. I think for IQs higher than that, you are MORE likely to pass after the first attempt, if only because you've actually been forced to sit down and do an entire run thru once before.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191429)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


The fact you took the test once before helps, but it is more than counter-acted by the fact that you almost certainly had less time to study.

You must be trolling at this point. Or you're operating on some serious cognitive distortions...or are low IQ. I should not need to explain any of this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191443)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:27 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

Why would you have less time to study? Everyone has weekends, accrued vacation time, etc. I'm not trolling--I think you are putting too much emphasis on that. There's not LESS time to study-you are just less likely to motivate yourself to make ample use of the time we are all afforded, particularly when you are low in conscientiousness to start.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191461)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


Please read these studies before I engage you any further.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/42894021?newaccount=true&read-now=1&seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents

You'll need to create an account to read for free.

https://scholarlycommons.law.hofstra.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2962&context=hlr

Most of this is well-acccepted XO knowledge. I should not have to explain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191505)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:36 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

Hm. Thank you. I will read them. In the meantime, you could speak a little nicer, you know. I corrected You on a misapprehension you showed earlier in this conversation, but you don't see me using xo memes in response.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191539)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:40 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


Conversing with you is like conversing with a women. You refuse to draw the obvious inferences required for a good faith discussion and you don't think logically, which you may or may not be doing as a rhetorical technique.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191575)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:43 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

I will set aside my resentment at what appears to be a thoughtless response on your part, and would ask you to examine how/why you make the mental, presumably subconscious link my confession to have high neuroticism w "arguing like a woman" just a few lines after that.

I don't think I do any of those things. I'm just guarded whenever there are assumptions made, which I recognize is problematic for the current active boart poasting population.

Alternatively, I may be doing all of what you accuse me of doing to some degree, but with a purpose behind it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191612)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:44 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


"...I'm just guarded whenever there are assumptions made, which I recognize is problematic..."

Reach this excerpt from a book by a psychologist describing cognitive distortions:

What Is CBT? Cognitive behavioral therapy was developed in the 1960s by Aaron Beck, a psychiatrist at the University of Pennsylvania. At the time, Freudian ideas dominated psychiatry. Clinicians assumed that depression and the distorted thinking it produces were just the surface manifestation of deeper problems, usually stretching back to unresolved childhood conflict. To treat depression, you had to fix the underlying problem, and that could take many years of therapy. But Beck saw a close connection between the thoughts a person had and the feelings that came with them. He noticed that his patients tended to get themselves caught in a feedback loop in which irrational negative beliefs caused powerful negative feelings, which in turn seemed to drive patients’ reasoning, motivating them to find evidence to support their negative beliefs. Beck noticed a common pattern of beliefs, which he called the “cognitive triad” of depression: “I’m no good,” “My world is bleak,” and “My future is hopeless.” Many people experience one or two of these thoughts fleetingly, but depressed people tend to hold all three beliefs in a stable and enduring psychological structure. Psychologists call such structures schemas. Schemas refer to the patterns of thoughts and behaviors, built up over time, that people use to process information quickly and effortlessly as they interact with the world. Schemas are deep down in the elephant; they are one of the ways in which the elephant guides the rider. Depressed people have schemas about themselves and their paths through life that are thoroughly disempowering. Beck’s great discovery was that it is possible to break the disempowering feedback cycle between negative beliefs and negative emotions. If you can get people to examine these beliefs and consider counterevidence, it gives them at least some moments of relief from negative emotions, and if you release them from negative emotions, they become more open to questioning their negative beliefs. It takes some skill to do this—depressed people are very good at finding evidence for the beliefs in the triad. And it takes time—a disempowering schema can’t be disassembled in a single moment of great insight (which is why insights gained from moments of enlightenment often fade quickly). But it is possible to train people to learn Beck’s method so they can question their automatic thoughts on their own, every day. With repetition, over a period of weeks or months, people can change their schemas and create different, more helpful habitual beliefs (such as “I can handle most challenges” or “I have friends I can trust”). With CBT, there is no need to spend years talking about one’s childhood. The evidence that CBT works is overwhelming.7 A common finding is that CBT works about as well as Prozac and similar drugs for relieving the symptoms of anxiety disorders and mild to moderate depression,8 and it does so with longer-lasting benefits and without any negative side effects. But CBT is effective for more than anxiety and depression, including anorexia, bulimia, obsessive compulsive disorder, anger, marital discord, and stress-related disorders.9 CBT is easy to do, has been widely used, has been demonstrated to be effective, and is the best-studied form of psychotherapy.10 It is therefore the therapy with the strongest evidence that it is both safe and effective. The list below shows nine of the most common cognitive distortions that people learn to recognize in CBT. It is these distorted thought patterns that Greg began to notice on campus, which led him to invite Jon out to lunch, which led us to write our Atlantic article and, eventually, this book. (Different CBT experts and practitioners use different lists of cognitive distortions. The nine in our list are based on a longer list in Robert Leahy, Stephen Holland, and Lata McGinn’s book, Treatment Plans and Interventions for Depression and Anxiety Disorders. For more on CBT—how it works, and how to practice it— please see Appendix 1.) EMOTIONAL REASONING: Letting your feelings guide your interpretation of reality. “I feel depressed; therefore, my marriage is not working out.” CATASTROPHIZING: Focusing on the worst possible outcome and seeing it as most likely. “It would be terrible if I failed.” OVERGENERALIZING: Perceiving a global pattern of negatives on the basis of a single incident. “This generally happens to me. I seem to fail at a lot of things.” DICHOTOMOUS THINKING (also known variously as “black-and-white thinking,” “all-or-nothing thinking,” and “binary thinking”): Viewing events or people in all-or-nothing terms. “I get rejected by everyone,” or “It was a complete waste of time.” MIND READING: Assuming that you know what people think without having sufficient evidence of their thoughts. “He thinks I’m a loser.” LABELING: Assigning global negative traits to yourself or others (often in the service of dichotomous thinking). “I’m undesirable,” or “He’s a rotten person.” NEGATIVE FILTERING: You focus almost exclusively on the negatives and seldom notice the positives. “Look at all of the people who don’t like me.” DISCOUNTING POSITIVES: Claiming that the positive things you or others do are trivial, so that you can maintain a negative judgment. “That’s what wives are supposed to do—so it doesn’t count when she’s nice to me,” or “Those successes were easy, so they don’t matter.” BLAMING: Focusing on the other person as the source of your negative feelings; you refuse to take responsibility for changing yourself. “She’s to blame for the way I feel now,” or “My parents caused all my problems.”11 As you read through that list of distortions, it’s easy to see how somebody who habitually thinks in such ways would develop schemas that revolve around maladaptive core beliefs, which interfere with realistic and adaptive interpretations of social situations. Everyone engages in these distortions from time to time, so CBT is useful for everyone. Wouldn’t our relationships be better if we all did a little less blaming and dichotomous thinking, and recognized that we usually share responsibility for conflicts? Wouldn’t our political debates be more productive if we all did less overgeneralizing and labeling, both of which make it harder to compromise? We are not suggesting that everybody needs to find a therapist and start treatment with CBT. Greg’s original realization about cognitive distortions was that just learning how to recognize them and rein them in is a good intellectual habit for all of us to cultivate. Learning about cognitive distortions is especially important on a college campus. Imagine being in a seminar class in which several of the students habitually engage in emotional reasoning, overgeneralization, dichotomous thinking, and simplistic labeling. The task of the professor in this situation is to gently correct such distortions, all of which interfere with learning—both for the students engaging in the distortions and for the other students in the class. For example, if a student is offended by a passage in a novel and makes a sweeping generalization about the bad motives of authors who share the demographic characteristics of the offending author, other students might disagree but be reluctant to say so publicly. In such a case, the professor could ask a series of questions encouraging the student to ground assertions in textual evidence and consider alternative interpretations. Over time, a good college education should improve the critical thinking skills of all students. There is no universally accepted definition of “critical thinking,” but most treatments of the concept12 include a commitment to connect one’s claims to reliable evidence in a proper way—which is the basis of scholarship and is also the essence of CBT. (Critical thinking is also needed to recognize and defeat “fake news.”) It is not acceptable for a scholar to say, “You have shown me convincing evidence that my claim is wrong, but I still feel that my claim is right, so I’m sticking with it.” When scholars cannot rebut or reconcile disconfirming evidence, they must drop their claims or else lose the respect of their colleagues. As scholars challenge one another within a community that shares norms of evidence and argumentation and that holds one another accountable for good reasoning, claims get refined, theories gain nuance, and our understanding of truth advances. But what would happen if some professors encouraged students to use the distortions in our list above?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191622)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:47 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

Yes? And how does that relate to being guarded whenever assumptions are being made. If anything, what you've referenced above appears to be the exact opposite of being guarded whenever assumptions are being made--with the exception of the suggestion that professors should PROBE these assumptions--which Is what I tend to do. In fact, I like to "unpack" assumptions whenever possible, and I think its a good practice for cultivating clear (if relentless) thinking on matters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191643)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

I'm not Spaceporn and there's no need to defame his memory may he RIP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191417)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman

(spaceporn)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191437)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

Yes, I think you are getting somewhere with this.

I get the conscientiousness part as being an issue for AA admits at a T6.

But tell me how Sensitivity to Negative Emotion could play a role.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191411)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:23 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


It is self evident. Do you really need me to explain? I can easily back this up with published papers. It's a very well-documented phenomenon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191428)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

I know its self-evident. But I like to see the effort to connect the dots. I'd sincerely be interested in any papers you have on this. I was not a good student in LS but my Sensitivity to Negative Emotion was extremely high, and I did not have the benefit of any nootropics (except coffee) or anxiety relieving medication at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191441)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


Your admission to being high in negative emotion explains the apparent cognitive distortions you exhibit that I referenced above.

Negative emotion-mos are slaves to their cognitive distortions without serious serious CBT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191452)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

I don't think so, at least as for the present, and for purposes of my analysis in this and other boart conversations. I think my three-year experience of LS, combined with medication prescribed thereafter, pretty much forced control of negative emotions on me that I didn't have before.

As for the request I made, it still stands. I'd like to see the papers you referenced, for my own curiosity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191484)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:34 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


Test anxiety is such a well-established phenomenon, I will trust you to simply google it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191528)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:39 PM
Author: 85 IQ migrant generating wealth

you literally need like a 95 IQ to pass the bar in most states with enough studying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191568)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:43 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


Based on a quick review of the likely conversion numbers for LSAT score to IQ, the LSAT scores of law students, and the actual bar passage rates, that's clearly not true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191614)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 4:00 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

that's right. the comment to which you are responding is just really dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191770)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:45 PM
Author: Watcher in the Woods

WUSTL grad by chance?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191140)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:45 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


No.

Pretty sure this is the outcome for ~65% of the black males who attend T6 law schools, so it won't be east to guess who he is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191147)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:49 PM
Author: ESPRIT.wav (📫)

no way. why are bar passage rates so high then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191168)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:51 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,..,.,.,:,,:,..,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,.


No fucking way is this true. This is easily a bottom 10% outcome from a t6.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191181)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:53 PM
Author: ESPRIT.wav (📫)

https://abovethelaw.com/2017/11/a-breakdown-of-new-york-bar-exam-results-by-law-school-july-2017/

NYU, Columbia, and Cornell all had >95% pass rates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191194)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:55 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


Top Law schools only have ~9 black males per class assuming ~300 / class.

The 6 of the 9 black males that fail are generally among the 15 students that fail at a school with a 95% passage rate (along with 8 other AA admits and 1 neurotic white woman).



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191214)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:58 PM
Author: ESPRIT.wav (📫)

Not a lawmo but this sounds like total bullshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191229)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:00 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


I may be off by 30% or so, but it's seriously around that bad.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191250)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:46 PM
Author: ddr

How the fuck did a black dude at a T6 not get a full scholarship or at least a partial enough scholarship to avoid 250k in debt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191155)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:57 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


That includes UG also. Not sure of breakdown between LS and UG.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191226)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 2:59 PM
Author: TRUMPASAURUS REX

not to mention work study

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191242)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:16 PM
Author: Punctuation Monica

he a good keed, dindu nuffin!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191374)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:03 PM
Author: libcrusher180 (😎)

and he still votes straight Dem lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191279)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:04 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


100%. He's a total SJW constantly ranting about typical SJW shit. He seems gay too, but does not appear to date men.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191286)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:15 PM
Author: Punctuation Monica

he on da down low, den.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191366)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:17 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


If I had to bet on it, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191384)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 4:05 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

Welp, I think we've figured out what he's doing in his spare time besides studying for the bar!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191803)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:42 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,..,.,.,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,.


If he got into a T6, even under AA, he should be able to pass the bar exam. Half the grads from even tier 4 schools pass the bar exam.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191604)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:47 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


Yes, most should be able to, but the fact remains that many AA admits do not pass the bar, even at good schools. My pointing out one anecdotal example is not me saying that 100% of AA admits at T6 schools pass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191634)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 3:46 PM
Author: .........,,.,.,.,.,,,,,,.,.,.,.,.,.


Does he actually want to be an attorney? Some people self sabotage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191629)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 4:00 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

OP, has your friend considered the regular use of anti-anxiety medicine, w ZANAX boosters as needed.

He needs to be relaxed when he studies, he needs to put all his free time into studying, and he needs to be relaxed when he takes the exam. There are many meds that could help with this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191765)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 4:01 PM
Author: leolenin

is this cr? why not addy or something?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191773)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 4:07 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..,.,..,.,...,.

Yeah, why not just something to cut down on the panic-fog a little bit. But he'd have to take it regularly so he gets the effects when he's studying, not just when he's taking the test.

I dunno, maybe blacks are less inclined to take what they perceive to be "crazy pills"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191821)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 4:06 PM
Author: Dr. Ford

Pretty cr advice for non-high iqmos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37191812)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 4:29 PM
Author: ...,::..,::,..:,,:...::,,.,,:;..::,::.,,.::;:.,,:.


My white friend went to a true TTT in his late 20s, took on $200k in debt and failed the bar at least 3 times

Currently in his late 30s living in are country making $35k doing menial office work

He's given up all hope of ever passing and seems legit depressed

The exam was AZ, by the way

I think he should try one more time in New Mexico or some other easier state. Hard to broach the subject though. We haven't been close in a long time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192010)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 5:34 PM
Author: Watcher in the Woods

nonlawmo here. what are typically the "hard" parts of Bar exam? can't hardcore rote memorization take care of most of it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192399)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 5:35 PM
Author: .........,,.,.,.,.,,,,,,.,.,.,.,.,.


Some people just cant memorize enough or have shit application. I feel like after 3 times you should be an MBE mastermind. You seen every type of question, just get a 170.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192407)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 5:38 PM
Author: Watcher in the Woods

how many hours study time total (on average) for an exam like Arizona?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192420)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 5:43 PM
Author: .........,,.,.,.,.,,,,,,.,.,.,.,.,.


Almost impossible to answer these questions.

Most people aren't working while studying so just put do the Barbri lectures + MBE and relax (6.5 hours per day) until the last three weeks. Then just memorize everything. Biggest thing for me was just getting through all the MBE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192457)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 5:49 PM
Author: Great Emperor Trump

I would think about 200 hours of reviewing barbri outlines and studying multistate. Should do about 1500 multistate questions during this 200 hr time as well.

Easily manageable. Take a week's vacation time and study 10 hours per day right before the exam, and study every weekend for about 8 weeks leading up to exam, and a few barbri questions every weeknight.

It is this tedious and soul-sucking crap that OP's friend can't or won't do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192499)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 6:04 PM
Author: Watcher in the Woods



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192582)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 6:40 PM
Author: ...,::..,::,..:,,:...::,,.,,:;..::,::.,,.::;:.,,:.


Adding to my first post above:

I'd guess my friend is about 100 IQ and I think he got a 154 on the LSAT so that may explain part of why he failed AZ 3 times

He may just be fucked for life. He was talking a few years ago about having a payment over $1k per month and not able to afford it and I told him to look into IBR, not sure if he ever did. Sad story. He probably never should have been admitted to law school needing to take on that amount of debt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192822)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: .........,,.,.,.,.,,,,,,.,.,.,.,.,.


How did he get into a T6 with a 155? Calling flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192832)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 6:43 PM
Author: ESPRIT.wav (📫)

He said he went to a "true TTT". diff person than OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192838)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 6:45 PM
Author: .........,,.,.,.,.,,,,,,.,.,.,.,.,.


Oh then he is prob fucked. Tell him to become a compliance monkey and make low six figures.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192850)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: ...,::..,::,..:,,:...::,,.,,:;..::,::.,,.::;:.,,:.


I will tell him to get right on that, I am sure employers will be fighting over the NYLS grad who failed the AZ bar 3 times and has been a secretary in rural Wisconsin for the last 9 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192887)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 6:51 PM
Author: .........,,.,.,.,.,,,,,,.,.,.,.,.,.


Just need a recommendation. In my office there is a guy who as working at TMobile 5 months ago. Now he makes 6 figures.

It's really easy. It's just not legal work, its true compliance monkey work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192897)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 4:29 PM
Author: ;::;:;;'';:::'.,:...:::;

Dindu NUFFIN! Good Keeed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192015)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 5:44 PM
Author: Ghostface Billah (🦖)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192466)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 6:08 PM
Author: Stepping over Syringes in San Fran

WTF is this bar exam is hard flame? I took my bar 11 years after getting my JD, did like 60% of Themis over 2.5 months, maaaybbeee 600 MBE questions, and scored well enough to qualify in any UBE state. CA/DE/FL/TX are the only four states someone could possibly fail (and TX is UBE shortly), other than that, the test is not hard unless you do zero study.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192619)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 6:46 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,..,,,,,...,.,.,...,..,.,,,,,,


Was easy as fuck for me too. At first I followed the BARBRI program to a T, but then after ~4 weeks it was clear that I was already ready to take the test and I slowed down to a few hours a day for the last ~4 weeks just to maintain what I learned and learn the new material.

Ended up passing with a 99th percentile on the MBE.

MBE's were easy as fuck for me from the getgo almost never missed any.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192866)



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Date: November 8th, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: Great Emperor Trump

I had all the scored Multistate questions correct too. But i studied a lot more than you did.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4127887&forum_id=2#37192929)