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Dersh throws out a legal HYPOTHETICAL

https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/1074738519606734850 ht...
Mustard Genital Piercing
  12/17/18
Popehat, who is 180, pwned him in that second tweet
heady cruel-hearted keepsake machete
  12/17/18
He seems like a good dude, but I liked his blogging better t...
Salmon Trailer Park Windowlicker
  12/18/18
I think Flynn's case may be distinguishable. In those other ...
laughsome impressive old irish cottage
  12/18/18
“The only offense.” You may want to read the ind...
cracking jewess site
  12/18/18
Flynn's lie had nothing to do with Turkey or any of that.
Canary narrow-minded regret skinny woman
  12/18/18
Xo 2018
cracking jewess site
  12/18/18
I think this is what galls me about it. It's like if you lie...
Dark aphrodisiac orchestra pit really tough guy
  12/18/18
but he lied to Mike Pence!
Titillating sadistic spot
  12/17/18
I think the judge at his sentencing hearing had a different ...
cracking jewess site
  12/18/18
lol
sable diverse church
  12/17/18
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1073024740464431104?s=21
sable diverse church
  12/17/18
His background pic tells me all I need to know about his mot...
Slimy bateful stag film
  12/17/18
cracks me up how often libs refer to Hamilton now, this is 1...
jet curious stage cuckoldry
  12/17/18
cr
Titillating sadistic spot
  12/17/18
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supple pozpig hall
  12/17/18
its mind blowing
translucent doctorate
  12/17/18
Kind of funny how lib alignment with GC has paralleled favor...
Boyish Boistinker Theater
  12/17/18
...
Thriller magical idea he suggested son of senegal
  12/17/18
They think that Miranda guy wrote the Constitution.
flickering institution
  12/17/18
LOL it's so perfectly GC. "Sure he invented the modern...
exciting turdskin
  12/17/18
...
seedy gunner boiling water
  12/17/18
Its amazing how much of modern Republican politics is center...
sable diverse church
  12/17/18
yeah libs never lie and there are no efforts by anybody, esp...
Titillating sadistic spot
  12/17/18
...
White senate
  12/17/18
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Insecure Exhilarant Preventive Strike Sweet Tailpipe
  12/17/18
the difference is republicans are openly advocating for the ...
sable diverse church
  12/17/18
...
drab potus circlehead
  12/18/18
Every single politician in DC is a liar, and their staffs ar...
Slimy bateful stag film
  12/17/18
ljl at how stupid you ppl are willing to go to defend ur lyi...
Appetizing cheese-eating bbw
  12/17/18
Who's defending this in particular? why are bort libs so inv...
Slimy bateful stag film
  12/17/18
Trump is a grifter and criminal, anyone still defending him ...
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
Will anyone other than WLMAS answer this?
Slimy bateful stag film
  12/17/18
Its funny to think that Dersh use to be a respected criminal...
Appetizing cheese-eating bbw
  12/17/18
Booming out of control
aromatic mint french chef
  12/17/18
https://twitter.com/popehat/status/1074749139756376064?s=21
Mustard Genital Piercing
  12/17/18
The 11th Circuit got it wrong
Insecure Exhilarant Preventive Strike Sweet Tailpipe
  12/17/18
How many courts (including district courts) have considered ...
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
Stop taking everything so seriously, you alcoholic freak.
Insecure Exhilarant Preventive Strike Sweet Tailpipe
  12/17/18
This is a literal law board you 4chan idiot. Spew your propa...
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
Translation: wah wah I got pwn3d
exciting turdskin
  12/17/18
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cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
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out-of-control avocado pistol
  12/17/18
Dershowitz clearly asks "should it be a crime?" He...
jet curious stage cuckoldry
  12/17/18
He’s a HOF criminal defense attorney and attention who...
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
What crime was Flynn's lie material to? The crime of lying t...
laughsome impressive old irish cottage
  12/18/18
Lmao
cracking jewess site
  12/18/18
Ignores the second part of Dersh's hypo.
laughsome impressive old irish cottage
  12/18/18
insane to think how many innocent people rudy locked up beca...
sable diverse church
  12/17/18
Wtf happened to this guy?
passionate range
  12/17/18
There's more money in being a smug partisan pundit than a de...
offensive dilemma black woman
  12/17/18
Mueller might want "deliverables" and it's not har...
Mustard Genital Piercing
  12/17/18
So the fact that he does not fall directly in line with the ...
Insecure Exhilarant Preventive Strike Sweet Tailpipe
  12/17/18
I think you forgot LTM is a thoughtful moderate
Vengeful hairy legs theater stage
  12/17/18
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Violent godawful twinkling uncleanness
  12/17/18
Tribe has also been making an ass of himself. Neal Katyal h...
exciting turdskin
  12/17/18
He will re-earn my respect if there is some legal process in...
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
Wanting to get the president under oath to reveal true motiv...
Mustard Genital Piercing
  12/17/18
What about other questions that have nothing to do with his ...
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
Is there any evidence of criminal dealings with Russia?
beady-eyed cerise ratface
  12/17/18
You are one of the most consistently stupid posters here, go...
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
he has 5th amendment rights he should exercise
Mustard Genital Piercing
  12/17/18
He will have the opportunity to do so
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
No one should do legal work after age 62.
Salmon Trailer Park Windowlicker
  12/17/18
he defended jeffrey epstein which delegitimizes him in my vi...
Maniacal Round Eye
  12/17/18
he, bill Clinton, Epstein, and prince Andrew gang banged tee...
odious chrome partner
  12/17/18
its amazing he still is on TV considering their are credible...
Appetizing cheese-eating bbw
  12/17/18
Dersh was a frequent flyer on the Lolita Express
Judgmental mauve plaza jew
  12/17/18
He is done here
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/10747605087319941...
sable diverse church
  12/17/18
He poasts
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  12/17/18
He uses the Charles XII account. They met at a Faux “N...
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
I unfortunately agree with whoever this Mariotti faggot is (...
concupiscible faggotry
  12/17/18
long time never Trumpmo here, but let's be clear - prosecuti...
ruby soul-stirring boltzmann
  12/17/18
The more typical situation is that they tack on a false stat...
concupiscible faggotry
  12/17/18
true, the FBI has a particular hardon for 1001 charges. Pro...
ruby soul-stirring boltzmann
  12/17/18
CR. Next time you're reading something by Jim Comey or watc...
concupiscible faggotry
  12/17/18
goddamn. amid the cesspool that was once the greatbort, flas...
heady cruel-hearted keepsake machete
  12/18/18
Doing fed crim defense sounds like you just become an expert...
stirring ruddy stead
  12/18/18
I think that's basically all crim defense work
Judgmental mauve plaza jew
  12/18/18
98% of all fed charges end in a guilty plea. so, yeah. y...
ruby soul-stirring boltzmann
  12/18/18
I've gotten jury-trial acquittals in federal criminal cases,...
concupiscible faggotry
  12/18/18
counterpoint: all of this can be avoided by not lying in the...
sable diverse church
  12/18/18
The lying charge wasn't "tacked on" here. It was t...
laughsome impressive old irish cottage
  12/18/18
No dumbfuck, it wasn’t
cracking jewess site
  12/18/18
Oh, well if a MAF pumo says it...
Canary narrow-minded regret skinny woman
  12/18/18
Again, you may want to read the indictment filed yesterday a...
cracking jewess site
  12/18/18
What race are you?
Dark aphrodisiac orchestra pit really tough guy
  12/18/18
Flynn had other exposure. And 1001 and obstruction charges a...
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
notice that I said "alone"
ruby soul-stirring boltzmann
  12/17/18
Yeah but his false statement charge could be described as ha...
cracking jewess site
  12/17/18
"and thus a disproportionate # of those lies get prosec...
sable diverse church
  12/18/18
My sense (no one has data on this, but I know my cases and I...
concupiscible faggotry
  12/18/18
Dershowitz's point is not that crazy. As a corporate attorne...
bronze multi-colored tanning salon trump supporter
  12/18/18
You are incredibly dumb.
cracking jewess site
  12/18/18
cr. Attempted murder shouldn't be a crime because no one act...
Judgmental mauve plaza jew
  12/18/18
That’s called an anti sandbagging provision and &ldquo...
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  12/18/18
Your lawyer Rudy Giuliani telling the judge you plead "...
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  12/18/18


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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: Mustard Genital Piercing

https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/1074738519606734850

https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/1074747560865267714

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421656)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:55 PM
Author: heady cruel-hearted keepsake machete

Popehat, who is 180, pwned him in that second tweet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37425227)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 12:49 AM
Author: Salmon Trailer Park Windowlicker

He seems like a good dude, but I liked his blogging better than his tweeting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37425422)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: laughsome impressive old irish cottage

I think Flynn's case may be distinguishable. In those other cases it seems like the lie was pertinent to some underlying offense, whereas with Flynn it's the only offense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37427049)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 3:23 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

“The only offense.” You may want to read the indictment filed yesterday against the partner of Flynn’s consulting firm and a Dutch-based Turk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428294)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: Canary narrow-minded regret skinny woman

Flynn's lie had nothing to do with Turkey or any of that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428497)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 3:56 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

Xo 2018

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428527)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Dark aphrodisiac orchestra pit really tough guy

I think this is what galls me about it. It's like if you lie to the press about what you ate for breakfast, the FBI can just knock on your door and ask you what you ate for breakfast, and all of a sudden your lie becomes a Federal offense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37430672)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:54 PM
Author: Titillating sadistic spot

but he lied to Mike Pence!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421669)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

I think the judge at his sentencing hearing had a different description, told him he sold out his country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428302)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:56 PM
Author: sable diverse church

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421687)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:56 PM
Author: sable diverse church

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1073024740464431104?s=21

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421690)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:59 PM
Author: Slimy bateful stag film

His background pic tells me all I need to know about his motivation$

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421710)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:01 PM
Author: jet curious stage cuckoldry

cracks me up how often libs refer to Hamilton now, this is 100% a result of the gay play

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421721)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:02 PM
Author: Titillating sadistic spot

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421728)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:13 PM
Author: supple pozpig hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421814)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:18 PM
Author: translucent doctorate

its mind blowing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421843)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:43 PM
Author: Boyish Boistinker Theater

Kind of funny how lib alignment with GC has paralleled favorable views of Hamilton.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421996)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:01 PM
Author: Thriller magical idea he suggested son of senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422097)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: flickering institution

They think that Miranda guy wrote the Constitution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422396)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 5:58 PM
Author: exciting turdskin

LOL it's so perfectly GC. "Sure he invented the modern banking system, really paved the way for fiat currency and LOVED I MEAN LOVED Wall Street, more or less devoted his life to making Wall Street's path to dominance more smooth. But he shittalked Jefferson that one time the battlerapped, so the dude was obviously woke AF."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423136)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:35 PM
Author: seedy gunner boiling water



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423686)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:59 PM
Author: sable diverse church

Its amazing how much of modern Republican politics is centered around protecting their abity to lie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421711)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:03 PM
Author: Titillating sadistic spot

yeah libs never lie and there are no efforts by anybody, especially the press, to conceal these efforts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421735)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:12 PM
Author: White senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421807)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:50 PM
Author: Insecure Exhilarant Preventive Strike Sweet Tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422035)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 5:24 PM
Author: sable diverse church

the difference is republicans are openly advocating for the need to lie in order to conduct business, as though its an indispensable feature of all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422947)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: drab potus circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428544)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:04 PM
Author: Slimy bateful stag film

Every single politician in DC is a liar, and their staffs are liars too. This newfound shitlib self-righteousness is LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421749)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: Appetizing cheese-eating bbw

ljl at how stupid you ppl are willing to go to defend ur lying pile of shit admin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421782)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:12 PM
Author: Slimy bateful stag film

Who's defending this in particular? why are bort libs so invested in this shit and determined to show how virtuous they are?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421811)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:58 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

Trump is a grifter and criminal, anyone still defending him is a partisan idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422078)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:03 PM
Author: Slimy bateful stag film

Will anyone other than WLMAS answer this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422115)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: Appetizing cheese-eating bbw

Its funny to think that Dersh use to be a respected criminal defense lawyer. He's still a Prof at HLS, amazingly. Now he just seems senile and absurd.

And Rudy use to be a US Attorney, literally used that to become mayor. Now he seems like a solo SHITLOYLER from Nebraska or something.

Fucking idiots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421776)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:17 PM
Author: aromatic mint french chef

Booming out of control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421832)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:47 PM
Author: Mustard Genital Piercing

https://twitter.com/popehat/status/1074749139756376064?s=21

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422014)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:00 PM
Author: Insecure Exhilarant Preventive Strike Sweet Tailpipe

The 11th Circuit got it wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422086)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:04 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

How many courts (including district courts) have considered this issue, which would seem to arise with a hell of a lot of frequency. I don’t know but i guarantee the case law is lopsided against your position. Every “defense” people have invented for these criminals has been gibberish

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422122)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: Insecure Exhilarant Preventive Strike Sweet Tailpipe

Stop taking everything so seriously, you alcoholic freak.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422365)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:27 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

This is a literal law board you 4chan idiot. Spew your propaganda on non law topics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422400)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 6:00 PM
Author: exciting turdskin

Translation: wah wah I got pwn3d

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423148)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 6:18 PM
Author: cracking jewess site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423235)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 9:31 PM
Author: out-of-control avocado pistol



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37424430)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: jet curious stage cuckoldry

Dershowitz clearly asks "should it be a crime?" He's not looking for a cite, he's making a 1L style "where do we draw the line" argument. maybe it's a stupid question, but to say "well the 11th circuit held whatever" isn't responsive to what he actually asked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422358)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

He’s a HOF criminal defense attorney and attention whore troll who loves unwinnable cases. Very sick!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422389)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: laughsome impressive old irish cottage

What crime was Flynn's lie material to? The crime of lying to the FBI?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37427066)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 4:53 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428829)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 12:02 PM
Author: laughsome impressive old irish cottage

Ignores the second part of Dersh's hypo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37427059)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 5:25 PM
Author: sable diverse church

insane to think how many innocent people rudy locked up because he was incompetent and unethical

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422959)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: passionate range

Wtf happened to this guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421784)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:12 PM
Author: offensive dilemma black woman

There's more money in being a smug partisan pundit than a detached academic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421808)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: Mustard Genital Piercing

Mueller might want "deliverables" and it's not hard to imagine Dershowitz drifted from immoral to illegal with Epstein, and Trump knowing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421889)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:58 PM
Author: Insecure Exhilarant Preventive Strike Sweet Tailpipe

So the fact that he does not fall directly in line with the tribal shitliberals makes him a "smug partisan" but people like Lawrence Tribe are "detached academics"? Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422076)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:02 PM
Author: Vengeful hairy legs theater stage

I think you forgot LTM is a thoughtful moderate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422112)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:17 PM
Author: Violent godawful twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422333)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 6:02 PM
Author: exciting turdskin

Tribe has also been making an ass of himself. Neal Katyal has been pwning trumptard souls tho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423159)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

He will re-earn my respect if there is some legal process initated against Trump and he enters an appearance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422413)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:06 PM
Author: Mustard Genital Piercing

Wanting to get the president under oath to reveal true motivations is a disgrace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423477)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:20 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

What about other questions that have nothing to do with his “motivations”? Would it be a disgrace to put him under oath if he wasn’t asked about his “motivations”? If he was asked about say his “financial dealings” with Russians?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423571)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: beady-eyed cerise ratface

Is there any evidence of criminal dealings with Russia?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37424405)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 9:26 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

You are one of the most consistently stupid posters here, go away dumfuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37424412)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 9:27 PM
Author: Mustard Genital Piercing

he has 5th amendment rights he should exercise

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37424415)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 9:28 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

He will have the opportunity to do so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37424420)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:17 PM
Author: Salmon Trailer Park Windowlicker

No one should do legal work after age 62.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423549)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: Maniacal Round Eye

he defended jeffrey epstein which delegitimizes him in my view

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37421903)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:01 PM
Author: odious chrome partner

he, bill Clinton, Epstein, and prince Andrew gang banged teen whores on esptein's jet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422099)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:16 PM
Author: Appetizing cheese-eating bbw

its amazing he still is on TV considering their are credible allegations he banged teenage whores with epstein

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422320)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 5:26 PM
Author: Judgmental mauve plaza jew

Dersh was a frequent flyer on the Lolita Express

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422965)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:00 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

He is done here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422089)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 5:23 PM
Author: sable diverse church

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1074760508731994113

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37422939)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 5:36 PM
Author: Vibrant flushed laser beams area

He poasts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423030)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 5:53 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

He uses the Charles XII account. They met at a Faux “News” green room

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423113)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 6:27 PM
Author: concupiscible faggotry

I unfortunately agree with whoever this Mariotti faggot is (wasn't he qb at oregon a few years ago? another pac-12 queer).

Everyone who does any federal criminal defense work knows this: you'll bitch up a storm if they set your guy up for a queen-for-a-day talk and then *only* ask shit that they already know, but even then you can't do shit about it; and every interview does and should contain some "is this guy lying" litmus questions, and -- shockingly! -- when the interviewee lies, the feds know immediately, and thus a disproportionate # of those lies get prosecuted.

Turning to dersh's only colorable defense -- which is the "he was law professoring about what the law *should* be" argument -- it's very weird (shitty pedagogy at best) to not mention that this question has been resolved more definitively than most questions about ambiguous elements of federal crimes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423285)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 6:53 PM
Author: ruby soul-stirring boltzmann

long time never Trumpmo here, but let's be clear - prosecuting false statements alone is a fucking disgusting federal practice.

It's one thing to test your witness' credibility in a queen for a day session. It's another thing to prosecute the person who lied during that session, especially when you knew it was a lie the moment it came out of their mouth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423408)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: concupiscible faggotry

The more typical situation is that they tack on a false statements charge to get the statement in front of the jury, or, if they don't need it, just wait and get the obstruction enhancement under the guidelines at sentencing. I can't say I've represented someone who wasn't already in big trouble at the point of their interview. (Because, normally, if you weren't, then why would you lie?)

More than anything else, Title 18 of the U.S. Code is a blank check from Congress to prosecutors to put anyone they want in prison. The big reaction to the Warren Court's constitutional procedural activism was to circumvent it with substance, e.g., 'oh you have to prove every element of the offense BRD? even this one that was causing us to lose 4.2% of the time? well fuck that then, we're just gonna take that element out entirely." The few elements left in modern statutes are drafted so broadly that virtually any case can get to trial -- and there's no summary-judgment like procedure in criminal cases, so unless the feds go out of their way to draft an indictment that doesn't state the elements of the offense (oh and there's no twombly/iqbal, either! they just repeat the fucking statute and tack on the date and District), your only chance to strike a substantively inappropriate charge is at your jury trial.

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Anyway, you're obviously right. I've always found it funny that I've never, ever seen or even heard of a prosecution for perjury in a private civil proceeding (i.e., where the government (usually the IRS) was not a party to the case). And doing that every now and then in the occasional egregious case would actually create positive incentives. But lie to the FBI and they'll use every weapon at their disposal (obstruction, false statements, false declarations, perjury, etc.) to fuck you. (I should mention that, to the extent the agency is the one pushing the prosecution, this is a particularly FBI-specific gayness. I've had DEA/HSI/ATF cases where I thought for sure they were going to tack on charges and they didn't.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423584)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:35 PM
Author: ruby soul-stirring boltzmann

true, the FBI has a particular hardon for 1001 charges. Probably because of their moral high horse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423691)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:39 PM
Author: concupiscible faggotry

CR. Next time you're reading something by Jim Comey or watching him testify, remember: that guy was elevated to the head of a federal agency who shares his ethos.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423722)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 12:27 AM
Author: heady cruel-hearted keepsake machete

goddamn. amid the cesspool that was once the greatbort, flashes of high level insight like this subthread still rise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37425345)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 11:52 AM
Author: stirring ruddy stead

Doing fed crim defense sounds like you just become an expert at pleading guilty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37427003)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 11:54 AM
Author: Judgmental mauve plaza jew

I think that's basically all crim defense work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37427011)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: ruby soul-stirring boltzmann

98% of all fed charges end in a guilty plea. so, yeah.

you get riiillll good at dat sentencing guidelines argument though OFS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428282)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 3:50 PM
Author: concupiscible faggotry

I've gotten jury-trial acquittals in federal criminal cases, not flame. It's usually for low-man-on-the-totem-pole drug cases, though. I've won on a "blind mule" defense. I do think the federal defense bar (which tends to be state-level crim practitioners who do a little federal work, as opposed to mostly civil "federal court" guys who do crim work as well as civ) is way too plea-focused from the get-go. They also tend to be shitty negotiators; I've seen countless pleas where all the defendant get in return is the shitty 3-point acceptance-of-responsibility credit.

The big problem for *good* lawyers is that fed sentencing is so harsh that the AUSA can very often give you an *enormous* discount for pleading guilty, such that the def is left with a discount that's too good to turn down while the gov't is left with you still serving an ungodly sum that's really more than you deserve anyway -- think of a drug-trafficking case where the role is low (dealer, not mule, but low-level dealer) and the drug quantity is high, and a client with literally no criminal history might be facing a GL range of 19.5 to 28 years, so the government offers you a flat 9.

I'd say that, in my jurisdiction (which is a sort of hippie-dippy state within a conservative federal circuit, kind of like the opposite of Idaho/Montana), *most* drug-related defendants -- yes, most, of the entire range of seriousness of drug crimes -- who are unlucky enough to go federal end up with more real prison time than the average defendant convicted of homicide (across all degrees) in the state system. (Bear in mind that federal 'good time' credit is limited to 15% max, ever. Most state inmates serve only 50% of the number printed on the face of the J&C).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428486)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 11:57 AM
Author: sable diverse church

counterpoint: all of this can be avoided by not lying in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37427031)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: laughsome impressive old irish cottage

The lying charge wasn't "tacked on" here. It was the whole show. Read Dersh's tweet again - he's not JUST saying the FBI already knew the truth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37427090)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

No dumbfuck, it wasn’t

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428306)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 3:52 PM
Author: Canary narrow-minded regret skinny woman

Oh, well if a MAF pumo says it...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428503)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 3:58 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

Again, you may want to read the indictment filed yesterday against Flynn’s business partner and a Turkish-Dutch citizen. Michael Flynn’s name appears more than the defendants’ names do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428538)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 10:34 PM
Author: Dark aphrodisiac orchestra pit really tough guy

What race are you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37430682)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

Flynn had other exposure. And 1001 and obstruction charges are more serious when they involve lies told in a counterintelligence probe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423596)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:33 PM
Author: ruby soul-stirring boltzmann

notice that I said "alone"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423670)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:36 PM
Author: cracking jewess site

Yeah but his false statement charge could be described as having been been prosecuted alone. It was all he was charged with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37423708)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 11:54 AM
Author: sable diverse church

"and thus a disproportionate # of those lies get prosecuted"

what does this mean?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37427014)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 4:08 PM
Author: concupiscible faggotry

My sense (no one has data on this, but I know my cases and I hear about others' cases) is that, if you laid out all 1001 prosecutions (meaning all cases in which that is *a* count, not necessarily the only count), a high percentage of those charges (higher than the % of 1001 violations that actually happen, thus my "disproportionate" label) are based on statements that the gov't knew were lies from the moment they heard them.

Bear in mind that if you plead the guy, you don't usually find out when the gov't knew whatever it knew. Sometimes it's just obvious, e.g., he'll proffer and then 3 days later they'll supersede and add a 1001 count.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37428600)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 12:17 AM
Author: bronze multi-colored tanning salon trump supporter

Dershowitz's point is not that crazy. As a corporate attorney, most docs have provisions that rep breaches can't be enforced if the party knew they were breached at closing - I believe that most courts would enforce it that way.

Not unreasonable to say that the government shouldn't be able to enforce crimes for which their is no harm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37425302)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 10:06 AM
Author: cracking jewess site

You are incredibly dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37426424)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: Judgmental mauve plaza jew

cr. Attempted murder shouldn't be a crime because no one actually died.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37426429)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 10:38 AM
Author: buff locus coldplay fan

That’s called an anti sandbagging provision and “most” deals do not have them. Most deals are silent. There are probably more deals with pro sandbagging provisions than there are with anti. I don’t even know why I’m responding to this since none of this has anything to do with whether lying to the FBI should be a crime.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37426587)



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Date: December 18th, 2018 10:36 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal ape

Your lawyer Rudy Giuliani telling the judge you plead "no harm, no foul"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4157623&forum_id=2#37430686)