The most prestigious law school admissions discussion board in the world.
|
 |
 
|
Why haven't more companies made in-house jobs 100% remote?
Poast new message in this thread
Date: December 26th, 2018 8:26 AM Author: self-centered box office Companies in smaller markets could get much better talent than the local TTT lawyers and there's really no need for face time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37471717) |
 |
Date: December 26th, 2018 7:11 PM Author: Diverse kink-friendly spot not just smaller markets. companies in SF could get better talent too (that doesn't want to live like a poor in SF). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475617) |
Date: December 26th, 2018 8:32 AM Author: Adulterous Trip Pit Because remote workers play video games all day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37471727) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 8:50 AM Author: self-centered box office Probably true, but who cares as long as the work gets done? Better to have a remote Harvard GC who does the work well and then jerks off than having a U Akron grad physically in your office struggling as he pulls on the door marked "push." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37471760) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 8:52 AM Author: Orchid ceo messiness the Akron grad can prob get the job done reasonably well enough and doesnt end up pissing off all the other workers who arent allowed to work remotely (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37471769) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 9:01 AM Author: Adulterous Trip Pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37471785) |
|
Date: December 27th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: Odious Misunderstood Meetinghouse Jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37478828) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 9:23 AM Author: marvelous kitty cat Why not biglaw is the better question, given the billable hour system there’s no need for face to face policing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37471872) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: self-centered box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37471933) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: Anal Idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37474330) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 6:43 PM Author: Bateful Affirmative Action The face to face interaction in biglaw is invaluable. Late nights in the office discussing the interaction of clause 7.6 and 9.2 would never happen in a virtual setting. (Boomer scum) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475412) |
|
Date: December 27th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: Vermilion frum sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37478902) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 10:11 AM Author: marvelous kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472138) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 10:13 AM Author: Soul-stirring Range Potus Do you think some company in are country wants to pay MFH prices for some stupid lawyer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472153) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 10:16 AM Author: self-centered box office I bet there are plenty of V50 senior associates who would love a $175k fully remote in-house job even if it was a major pay cut. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472165) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 11:55 AM Author: impressive toaster stag film Plenty love it even if not remote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472772) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:55 PM Author: impressive toaster stag film In house lawyer salaries suck.
This is about the same pay for an engineer with some experience. They got this without paying for a JD while banking money all 3 years.
Plus engineers create the products that bring in money. Lawyers are mostly seen as a cost center |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night A minority of engineers make this at megacorps. Meanwhile, most in-house lawyers make that or more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473267) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: marvelous kitty cat You failed to address his third point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473301) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night It doesn't merit addressing. Everyone realizes they need lawyers to do business, whether it is creating the products, selling/marketing them, dealing with various issues that arise, etc. And during cost-cutting they fire engineers more readily than lawyers. They don't really want a scenario where more work is going to outside counsel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473424) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 10:16 AM Author: Navy gas station I was (am) one of the few remote in-house lawyers in my mega corp's dept. Some of the legal departments were more open to having people work remote, others had a hard and fast rule of no work from home on the basis of privacy bc they dealt with litigation issues and didn't want attys with redwelds at home, and others were jsut headed by old-fashion bosses that didn't understand that tech allowed attys to work better remotely than in the office.
Our legal dept had to pay for my space in the office. It's not just some general line item attributed to the company. Legal had a budget for legal resources, office space, etc. The department I work in gets charged a monthly fee for the space I take up at work, the electricity, computer, etc. Why not just save that money by having workers work from their home offices is beyond me.
I probably worked more from home than in the office only because it's hard to unplug from work. And, once people find out that you work from home, the typical office hours of 8-5 gets stretched by an hour or two. Otoh, when I didn't have shit to do, I was pretty much doing shit around the house and going to the gym. |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: marvelous kitty cat Not having to physically be in the office around all the shrews and fags makes it well worth it if you have to work a little more at home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472237) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 11:59 AM Author: house-broken queen of the night Yep, you save the commute but it becomes expected that you talk on the phone whenever, whether 8pm or 8am. You're at home, what's the problem? I'm fairly tolerant of this, but I know some people that outright reject WFH exactly because of this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472798) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: impressive toaster stag film This is one of those ideas that sounds great in theory but works against human nature. Many companies are going in the exact opposite direction with the no-privacy, cubicle-style work stations. On average people take the path of least resistance which includes slacking off if they're not being monitored.
I was also one of those in-house at a mega-corp. Every time we had an opening we'd get flooded with resumes representing basically any law school (including T14), all the biglaw firms, and any decent mega-corp. When people are looking for jobs, they're agree to most anything (within reason). Work-from-home was not a make-or-break for any candidate that I remember. Anyway, allowing remote attracts many of the wrong types of people.
Yahoo did away with work-from-home as soon as Mayer joined as CEO. I thought that was the right decision, although she failed (obviously) for many unrelated reasons. |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: marvelous kitty cat See above. Do you think wfh is more realistic in a firm environment with billable hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472458) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: impressive toaster stag film I think so. Although some types of legal work are more suitable for remote like patent drafting that doesn't include much team work. I've seen some of these firms that are essentially 100% remote and they do work OK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472475) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 11:56 AM Author: Exciting dopamine “Shared workspace” fishbowl workspace + some flexibility is the way the (((overlords))) are going to save money, but it will never be as good as employees having normal fucking offices that they go to most days. It wasn’t broke and there was no need to fix it except to save $$$$ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472781) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:03 PM Author: impressive toaster stag film you're preaching to the choir here... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472816) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 11:57 AM Author: house-broken queen of the night Mine moved to open office but that also led to it tolerating WFH 10x more. Now, a ton of people are mostly remote.
I disagree with your assessment. People who are slackers at home are slackers at work too. And you fundamentally can't reform a slacker. |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:04 PM Author: impressive toaster stag film Can anyone at your company do WFH, or is it at discretion of the manager? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472818) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:08 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night Discretion of the manager. So some are assholes about it and some are 100% fine with it. Some people also have managers that don't even work in their office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472836) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: Navy gas station Is everyone in the open space or did some senior attys preserve their offices? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473004) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:39 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night Only SVPs and the GC. We have a huge legal department so figure single digits out of hundreds. Even VPs lost their offices.
And the new exec offices went from huge offices with large tables and couches to these tiny things that are smaller than my old office was. |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:55 PM Author: Navy gas station Some of our offices have gone to open floor plan. Reminds me of the old sweat shoops pics from the late 1800s. Apparently, the reason is to cut costs and encourage collaboration. The collaboration part is such bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473113) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night Absolutely. It is combo of a) cost-cutting, b) certain portions of the business justifying their existence, and c) following corporate fads.
By the way, my understanding is that they even factored in the massively increased WFH into the analysis. If everyone came in there wouldn't be enough desks/parking/etc. But I'm actually ok with how this worked out. Since I only come in for meetings, I basically never hang out in the open area. |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:40 PM Author: Soul-stirring Range Potus why are you such a bootlicking fag, man? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473024) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:41 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473029) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: Soul-stirring Range Potus "And you fundamentally can't reform a slacker."
Slacking is a completely rational response to the modern GC environment |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night Fuck you guys. You assholes make life harder for those of us that actually work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473259) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: Soul-stirring Range Potus Seems like the manager's problem. Incentivize work and you won't have this issue.
Not wanting to cuck out super hard for GC is not some moral failing. |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night Incentivize work? If you get paid $200k+ and don't feel incentivized the solution is to fire your ass and hire someone else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473316) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 4:20 PM Author: fighting disgusting clown this is the gayest post you have ever made; you should be ashamed of yourself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37474563) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 7:13 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475631) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 11:51 PM Author: marvelous kitty cat There's gayer out there from him, believe me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37477121) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: marvelous kitty cat That’s what you get for being a tryhard loser (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473302) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: Soul-stirring Range Potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473306) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night At least I won't get fired for being a slacker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473325) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:41 PM Author: Soul-stirring Range Potus nobody is getting fired. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473389) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:42 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night We have fired many slackers before and will continue to fire them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473400) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:48 PM Author: Ultramarine zombie-like garrison There is no “we” as you are not management and have no say on hiring and firing decisions.
It’s also ridiculous to be proud of a company that can’t properly incentivize its employees to get their work done such that they just respond by firing. That is not a sign of a well managed company. |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night Not actually correct. I am management and I've been involved in every hiring/firing decision for our group over the last several years. Of course, our group is a small part of the department.
"It’s also ridiculous to be proud of a company that can’t properly incentivize its employees to get their work done such that they just respond by firing. That is not a sign of a well managed company."
Some people are just shitty employees. The best way to deal with them is to fire them. You can't fix someone who is in their 40s and just fundamentally isn't interested in working despite making over $200k/year. |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: Soul-stirring Range Potus "I've been involved in every hiring/firing decision for our group over the last several years." = You have no say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473481) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night It is a consensus-driven org so we only move ahead when everyone agrees. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473543) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:19 PM Author: Ultramarine zombie-like garrison I’ve dealt with enough of corporate America to know that what constitutes a “shitty” employee to warrant firing is really really bad. Most employees fall in the mediocre category and can avoid firing easily. In fact, if you’re of decent intelligence, you can slack off quite a bit and do well enough to avoid firing. So either your company just can’t attract quality candidates for whatever reason or they can’t incentivize existing employees to be motivated enough to at least be mediocre. Given that you’ve basically said they’ve instituted a lot of cost cutting measures, I suspect that is a big part of the problem. When employees don’t feel respected, they have no incentive to work. And even if you think they should be grateful for getting paid $200k your 40s, not everyone feels that way.
Unless you work for a cutthroat company like Netflix or amazon who fires anybody who isn’t dedicating their lives to work (which you don’t), there shouldn’t be a constant stream of firings because it is demoralizing to existing employees and disruptive and expensive to hire and train new people.
I’m not going to further address the “management” comment since I don’t need to tear you down repeatedly for thinking this way. |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: Soul-stirring Range Potus cr. Having to fire a bunch of people is a sign of management not doing their job (making bad hires and not properly motivating people). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473672) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 7:14 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night Everyone suddenly find their motivation when they see a bunch of slackers shown the door. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475646) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: Soul-stirring Range Potus It's amazing how many times this has been pointed out to TMF and it has never once sunk in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473472) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:03 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night Nutella works for a tiny fund where everywhere knows each other and they rarely hire or fire. That's going to be totally different to working at a megacorp. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473539) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:10 PM Author: Soul-stirring Range Potus you're like one of the Westworld robots that can't compute things not already included in your pre-programmed narrative (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473577) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: Ultramarine zombie-like garrison The principles of good corporate management are the same regardless of the size of your organization. It is much harder to implement at the mega corp level as overhead increases, but that’s what separates the good mega corps from the bad ones to work for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473701) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night To clarify, it isn't happening every day but it definitely happens. No other way to clear out the slackers. And if people don't feel that working for the salary is worthwhile then they should be encouraged to find other opportunities and we wish them luck in all their future endeavors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473940) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:31 PM Author: learning disabled theater stage lettuce This is just boneheaded. If you have employees that will slack off working remote they'll also slack off at the office. It's not exactly hard to do when everyone has podcasts and social media etc at their fingertips. If you have employees who care about perceptions they are often more engaged from home just because they want to make sure everyone is aware they aren't dicking around. Plus you don't have constant distractions from chatty employees who don't feel like working or who want you to give your input everytime they face an issue that requires some thought (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473321) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: marvelous kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472739) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 11:55 AM Author: house-broken queen of the night 100% remote doesn't necessarily work because sometimes you have to meet with people in person. Maybe it is because they're execs and that's just what they like. Maybe it is because you're dealing with people who are intentionally avoiding a conversation and you have to get them into a room so they can't continue to avoid it. Maybe it is because you need to get something done in 2 days and the most efficient thing is to get 40 people in a room and work until it is done. Either way, you end up with occasional office time even if you're overwhelmingly WFH. I come in maybe 1-2 days a week most weeks for meetings. Otherwise, I WFH and this works really well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472775) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:01 PM Author: Navy gas station That's a valid point. Although, as time progressed, more and more people would just do stuff over the phone. I'd come in for big mtgs or every now and then if I was working on some big initiatives. But, when I was there it sped things up by at least 2x normal speed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472811) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:08 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night Yeah, I mean, like I said - I just come in 1-2 days in the afternoons. Even when I come in, I'm generally working from home in the mornings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472834) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Floppy Macaca Casino i do this and its 180 |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:48 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night It is really the sensible solution for everyone. I'm staring at a 43" monitor right now, and they didn't have to pay for it. I'm working on a huge table with plenty of space. If I want to listen to music, I don't even have to wear headphones. I don't have to wait in line at the cafeteria. Over lunch if I want to I can walk my dog and pickup sushi at a local place. And if people want to talk to me in person there are opportunities for that too. No one really wants to see me more than once or twice a week anyway. :)
Of course, there are always some dumbasses that push the envelope ("why can't I just NEVER come in??? Oh, I log off at 4pm btw...") and end up either getting it restricted for everyone or get forced to come in every day. |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:47 PM Author: self-centered box office This seems like the CR approach, actually. Still, it's fairly rare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473073) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night I think this will get more common. 100% WFH where you can live on a tropical island not so much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473623) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: marvelous kitty cat 100% wfh where you can live in another state should be coming though. No reasons why I can’t live in SLC and fly into NY or DC for client meetings or when otherwise necessary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473750) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:55 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night That's the point at which senior management is unhappy. To get me into the office is me getting in the car and driving a bit. If you have to deal with flying someone from wherever then that's a problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473927) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 6:29 PM Author: marvelous kitty cat I really don’t care about wHat some queer in “senior management” is happy with. If Office wagecucks had any spine they would band together and demand this shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475320) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 6:36 PM Author: Tan Shrine New Version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475368) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 7:08 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night In other words, you're one of those jackasses that makes the work environment shit and makes people think that WFH is a bad idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475593) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 7:12 PM Author: marvelous kitty cat The modern work environment is per se shit. The goal should be to limit your exposure to it as much as possible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475621) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 7:13 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night It gets better when people like you are fired though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475628) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 7:34 PM Author: marvelous kitty cat Yep, way better when it’s all the same cookie cutter dorks droning on about their “projects” and weekend hikes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475738) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night In other words, people that actually want the job and are (relatively) normal and well adjusted? Yep, that's fine by me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37476435) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 11:57 AM Author: flesh really tough guy laser beams The morale gained by humiliating and degrading lawyers is far more valuable than the work product lawyers produce. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37472790) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: self-centered box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473078) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: autistic karate parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473291) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: Tan Shrine New Version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37474345) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 7:15 PM Author: glittery electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475648) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:44 PM Author: 180 sienna lay ape Real estate prices. If people are allowed to live outside the major employer cities then all of the faggots who own buildings in the city center get buttraped with their own tears as lube. Hope I live to see it happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473049) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:41 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Floppy Macaca Casino its happening as we speak, brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473390) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Adulterous Trip Pit “Much better talent”
Ljl |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 12:47 PM Author: self-centered box office (Proud graduate of Big Tom's HVAC School) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473067) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: Ultramarine zombie-like garrison Lol at the assumptions that most in house jobs require “talent” and that urban biglawyers who did debt finance would do a better job than local ttt grad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473143) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 1:29 PM Author: Orchid ceo messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473312) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: fighting disgusting clown how was debt finance as an urban biglawyer and how is it working alongside local ttt grads (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37473675) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Ultramarine zombie-like garrison I did something even more useless than debt finance...securities litigation.
I actually work with quite a few “local” in house people in flyover states because we manage pension fund money for random companies. If you’re a widget manufacturer, you don’t need biglaw types for the in house legal work. |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 6:39 PM Author: Swashbuckling set brethren Inhouse at megacorp here, wfh 75-90% of the time (I could do 100% if I wanted to). Boomers like face time is really the only reason companies won't evolve (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475390) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 7:10 PM Author: house-broken queen of the night I know some gen Xers really into it too for some reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475607) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 7:53 PM Author: self-centered box office If they didn't come to the office then those Gen Xers wouldn't be able to physically lick boomer ass like they enjoy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37475829) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 9:48 PM Author: Cerise persian hell a lot of tech companies that allowed programmers to work from home have pulled back from that. not being in the office means most people will be lazy as shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37476446) |
|
Date: December 26th, 2018 10:24 PM Author: marvelous kitty cat Again, this shouldn’t apply to billable hour models (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37476654) |
|
Date: December 27th, 2018 12:04 AM Author: Dull yapping milk dilemma "If people are going to be slackers WFH, they'll also be slackers in the office" is such terrible flame.
There are countless studies that show that people who are in the office, in the library, at school, are far more productive than people who work from home or attempt to study at home.
There are far fewer distractions. You are not as comfortable. You actually have people looking over your shoulder. It's incomparable for the vast majority of people other than those rare few who happen to be highly motivated and have a strong sense of integrity.
What would happen if we got rid of the police or military? Yeah, it would turn into a shitshow within an hour. People who were ordinarily civilized and well-behaved in a police state would go buckwild. That's just human nature.
The only way WFH/study from home works is when you have objective and quantifiable metrics. For a HS student, that would mean completing homework assignments (why do you think schools have been assigning homework and giving quizzes and exams since their existence?) and for an office worker, it's far more complicated b/c it's harder to measure productivity. That's why WFH will never take off in a major way in the corporate world.
|
|
Date: December 27th, 2018 8:40 AM Author: marvelous kitty cat Again why don’t billable hours count as a good metric? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37478287) |
|
Date: December 27th, 2018 8:46 AM Author: Dull yapping milk dilemma It would probably work for biglaw but I imagine a lot more missed deadlines and padding going on.
It would absolutey not work for inhouse where people pride themselves in working as little as possible. |
|
Date: December 27th, 2018 10:04 AM Author: house-broken queen of the night (guy not in-house) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37478659) |
|
Date: December 27th, 2018 10:35 AM Author: Dull yapping milk dilemma Gets asked to review one BS contract a day. Makes basic comments in 30 minutes and watches Netflix for 7 hours. Tells company it took 8 hours to review and demands six figure salary. Ljl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4163728&forum_id=2#37478867) |
|
Date: December 27th, 2018 10:45 AM Author: house-broken queen of the night Yeah, except your boss is another lawyer who realizes it is BS. And that is true whether it is in the office or outside of it.
Again, if you think that's what working in-house is like, then you shouldn't pursue it because you'll be sorely disappointed. |
|
Date: December 27th, 2018 10:03 AM Author: house-broken queen of the night There are fewer distractions? Are you kidding?
Also, in school you do most of your work at home. I never studied in the library. That HS homework? Also at home. If you haven't figured out how to wfh by the time you're in your 30s then I don't know what to tell you. |
|
Date: December 27th, 2018 10:29 AM Author: Dull yapping milk dilemma Are you ESL for real? I said HS study at home only works precisely bc of shit like homework and quizzes exist to force kids to study everyday. There are daily requirements and regular performance checks to measure your progress. Imagine an open-ended “read this book and write me an essay once a semester” policy. Everyone would just Cliffs it and no learning would occur.
Lets see what happens when we remove daily assignments and regular performance checks. In college, how many kids outside of STEM (which have daily assignments) study hard? Most liberal arts/social science majors do the whole “no study / cram / forget” routine and graduate dumber than they ever were.
If you want people who will do the bare minimum, WFH will work real well. |
|
Date: December 27th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: house-broken queen of the night What are you talking about? You don't think in-house lawyers have work product? Why would we pay someone who couldn't demonstrate what they actually do, whether they're in the office or not? Protip: we don't. Whether it is negotiating contracts, responding to regulatory issues, drafting policy, reviewing projects, whatever - that's all shit that you hand in.
"If you want people who will do the bare minimum, WFH will work real well."
(guy talking out of his ass)
Some of the most productive people I know are WFH. Some of the least productive people come in every single day. Slackers are slackers. Full stop. If you care about getting your work done then you'll do it. If you don't and prefer to dick around, there's ample opportunity to do that in offices too. Every day in an office there are a bunch of people all "hanging out" and talking about bullshit instead of working. |