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Which MLB pitcher in your lifetime was most dominant in his prime?
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:10 PM Author: Copper main people For me, I’d say prime Pedro, or maybe prime Kershaw through 2017. (Decline phase started last year.)
Maybe OldHLSDude can come ITT and tell us about Bob Gibson or Sandy Koufax. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:12 PM Author: aromatic deep hairy legs Nolan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621171) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 8:00 PM Author: Honey-headed goal in life This. So much this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622984) |
Date: January 19th, 2019 2:12 PM Author: Spectacular green abode Randy Johnson in terms of pure intimidation
Maddux but I was pretty young
Pedro 2000 was ridiculous but he was hurt so much. For a one-year thing its Pedro though |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:15 PM Author: Copper main people Pedro had 4 straight years of sub-1.00 WHIP. But hurt too much and sucked in the postseason.
Big Unit was right there with him, for sure. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:16 PM Author: 180 newt theater stage Pedro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621204) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:00 PM Author: razzle giraffe absolutely (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621445) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:16 PM Author: excitant station Paul Abbott 2001 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621205) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:17 PM Author: Crystalline love of her life useless brakes pedro 99-00
peak was shorter than rj's but was more dominant |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:17 PM Author: Copper main people I’ll throw an interesting one out there: Doc Gooden in the mid-80s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621223) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:47 PM Author: Dun School Cafeteria Alpha Tremendously underrated. The Doctor would be HOF if he didn’t chimp out so quickly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621386) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:52 PM Author: Copper main people He struck out 276 batters as a 19-year-old rookie. At 20, he went 24-4 with a 1.53 ERA and 268 K's, probably while doing massive amounts of drugs.
Even with all his fuck ups, he managed to throw a no hitter in 1996 and ended up with 194 wins. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 7:39 PM Author: Carmine seedy indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622873) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:18 PM Author: Opaque feces Jacob Degrom 2018 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621230) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:33 PM Author: diverse obsidian chapel go back to israel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621608) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:17 PM Author: Opaque feces i'm just flaming as a mets fan but don't what israel has to do with it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621894) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:24 PM Author: excitant station Single best performance might have been Kerry Wood striking out 20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621267) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:27 PM Author: appetizing juggernaut incel Nolan or randy johnson. Hard to argue against randy johnson (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621279) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:30 PM Author: Opaque feces nolan walked too many guys to be most dominant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621295) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:31 PM Author: 180 newt theater stage how old are you? nolan's best years were before most of us were born (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621300) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:39 PM Author: Copper main people Outed as an oldmo, as Nolan's prime was in the mid-1970s, his longevity notwithstanding.
Love the dewd, but he walked way too many guys and never even won a Cy Young. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:30 PM Author: Navy At-the-ready Lodge corey kluber (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621296) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:49 PM Author: Cracking Cumskin Market R.A. Dickey (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621389) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:49 PM Author: dead field windowlicker isn't Pedro the objective answer for most of us? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621393) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:52 PM Author: Copper main people Some Randy Johnson love ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621414) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:55 PM Author: dead field windowlicker Randy Johnson was definitely the most dominant pitcher who cut his own hair of all time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621425) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:58 PM Author: razzle giraffe pedro is unquestionably the answer in my case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622143) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:54 PM Author: Cracking Cumskin Market Joba Chamberlain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621419) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:59 PM Author: Twisted Crawly Hospital In August and September 2007, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621439) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:12 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren (not bboooom) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621852) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:32 PM Author: diverse obsidian chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622032) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 7:34 PM Author: concupiscible stage depressive titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622850) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:58 PM Author: Copper main people Here's an intriguing one: Eric Gagne in 2002-04. Maybe the most dominant closer run ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621432) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 2:59 PM Author: Cracking Cumskin Market The racist guy for the Brewers is better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621437) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:03 PM Author: carnelian striped hyena bawdyhouse Roided up like crazy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621452) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:06 PM Author: Opaque feces https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkdgJeqeCxM
bonds vs gagne. one of the coolest ABs i can remember |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:01 PM Author: Cracking Cumskin Market Francisco Liriano had a great run. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621448) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:02 PM Author: razzle giraffe johan santana had a better run, if you want to go with the twins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621451) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:04 PM Author: Copper main people Good reference there. For awhile there, it looked like Santana was putting together an HOF resume. But he got injured and flamed out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621459) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:05 PM Author: Cracking Cumskin Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621465) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:08 PM Author: razzle giraffe he had 3 or 4 great seasons in minnesota. was good, but not dominant, when he went to the mets before the injuries ended his career. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621476) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:22 PM Author: Opaque feces he led the league in ERA+, WHIP and FIP three years in a row while winning 2 Cy Youngs. You have high standards for dominance if that doesn't count. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621544) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:32 PM Author: razzle giraffe i said he wasn't dominant anymore when he played for the mets, but still good. i said he had 3-4 "great" years in minnesota, and by "great" i absolutely meant dominant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621605) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:03 PM Author: Beta floppy community account idea he suggested Sandy Koufax (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621456) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:08 PM Author: carnelian striped hyena bawdyhouse I watched the Randy Johnson perfect game live on tv. There were very few pitches the batters could even see. 8th and 9th inning were as anti climactic as they could be. Also he just walked off the mound like no big deal (the catcher was 10x more excited than he was). Seemed like he could have gone another six innings.
OTOH, I was at yankee stadium in 99 when pedro one hit (17ks) a team that won the World Series.
Hard to say either was more dominant. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:08 PM Author: rusted boltzmann Pedro is the clear answer. Johnson inspired the most fear. Clemons, Kershaw, Maddux in some order after that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621473) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 1:17 AM Author: underhanded vigorous stag film "Pedro is the clear answer. Johnson inspired the most fear."
This seems like a fair compromise. Should acknowledge that Pedro's reign was much shorter. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:13 PM Author: Dun School Cafeteria Alpha Actually, for people in most of the 90’s it was Johnson, without a doubt. Pedro for only a little for a few years after Randy. Doc had the best stuff in the shortest amount of time. Ryan wasn’t dominant, just lasting, unfortunately. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621501) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:16 PM Author: Copper main people Interesting thing about Johnson is that his prime came later. For years he struggled with control because of his height. Even when he became an All Star-caliber pitcher, his control held him back. But in 1995 (age 31) he took it to another level, and went on a crazy run through 2002. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621518) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:18 PM Author: Dun School Cafeteria Alpha Yeah, Nolan helped him out in his delivery. That’s when he started dominating. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621523) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 10:38 PM Author: Indigo locale is this true? never heard it. link to story? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37623546) |
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Date: January 20th, 2019 1:05 AM Author: Dun School Cafeteria Alpha http://baseballstrength.org/randy-johnson-nolan-ryan-helped-turn-career-around/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37624486) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:18 PM Author: Opaque feces Seems right. Pedro's ERA+ from 1999-2003 was 243, 291, 188, 202, 211. Johnson's highest career ERA+ was 195 (but he had a bunch of years that were close). So they were generally comparable, but Pedro had 2 year otherworldly seasons (he also had a 219 ERA+ in 1997 with the Expos). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621524) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:23 PM Author: carnelian striped hyena bawdyhouse I don’t understand all of you guys flaming about Nolan Ryan. Did some moron write an article saying Ryan was overrated because he walked a lot of guys?
Go look at his stats. He had a 2.97 FIP over 5000 innings. That’s a better FIP than RJ. 72-91 he was dominant. Yes he walked a lot of guys, but he made up for it by not giving up many hits (he has the best h/9 stat of anyone, better than Keyshawn, and achieved that over 5000 innings). |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:24 PM Author: Opaque feces 112 career ERA+ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621554) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:42 PM Author: carnelian striped hyena bawdyhouse You can't overrely on one stat
in the 1970s there were 24 teams. in the 2000s when pedro was in his prime there were 30.
Ryan lead the lead in ERA+ twice, was in the top 10 seven times. The overall number is down compared to Pedro have because pitching quality was overall better and got thin as fuck in the late 90s to early 00s especially as the league roided up.
That's why i point to FIP numbers instead to show dominance compared to his peers of the 70s and 80s. He was in the top ten in his league almost every year from 72-91:
1972 AL 2.49 (3rd) 1973 AL 2.49 (2nd) 1974 AL 2.98 (4th) 1976 AL 2.91 (6th) 1977 AL 3.12 (4th) 1978 AL 2.96 (5th) 1979 AL 3.22 (3rd) 1980 NL 2.89 (2nd) 1981 NL 2.28 (2nd) 1983 NL 3.09 (8th) 1984 NL 2.66 (4th) 1985 NL 2.90 (7th) 1986 NL 3.06 (7th) 1987 NL 2.47 (1st) 1989 AL 2.51 (2nd) 1990 AL 2.87 (3rd) 1991 AL 2.75 (2nd)
I am not arguing that he was more dominant than RJ or Pedro or Clemens in their prime, but this stathead fascination with pretending Nolan Ryan was some second tier player like Pete Rose who happened to play a long time is off base.
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:07 PM Author: Opaque feces i mean those number suggest he was a very good pitcher but not on the level of others mentioned in this thread.
tom seaver played in the same era as Ryan and his numbers blow Ryan's out of the water overall. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:37 PM Author: carnelian striped hyena bawdyhouse Yes, tom seaver was the most dominant pitcher of his era
Ryan was in the top five |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:27 PM Author: Dun School Cafeteria Alpha Ryan also pitched in a time where pitchers were expected to pitch, not throw for 5-2/3 innings and let the set-up fags take over. Should have thrown in the dead ball era and he’d have 511+ wins and 7000 strike outs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621572) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:32 PM Author: Harsh corn cake Young Randy was similar to Nolan. There were games with major location issues, but if he was dealing that day the other team was fucked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621598) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:15 PM Author: Dun School Cafeteria Alpha Of all time, probably Feller. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621509) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:21 PM Author: Dashing Immigrant Randy Johnson in my lifetime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621535) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:28 PM Author: Harsh corn cake It's Randy and Pedro for me as well. These two games in particular, the best performances I've seen in person:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA199108140.shtml
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA199909040.shtml
Randy was more intimidating, and he had to be. In the Kingdome, one | wrong | move was going 400 feet. That was a crazy shithole of a park. Pedro was pure dominance though. You could see the look of defeat on the players.
Pitchers just rarely go deep like this anymore
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:26 PM Author: Pearly legal warrant space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622287) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:32 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren Randy was fucking insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622314) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:34 PM Author: Pearly legal warrant space PETA tried to file a complaint against the Big Unit when he killed that bird (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622325) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:35 PM Author: Pearly legal warrant space https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PyCpG06138 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622330) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:46 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren Hilarious moment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622380) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:49 PM Author: Pearly legal warrant space Ingrid Newkirk, president of PETA, had this to say: “Randy Johnson may be a pus-throwing fastballer who is now trying to hold it together in the twilight of his career. But while birds are in jeopardy, we must be vigilant. Who knows when the next phenom will obliterate an innocent pigeon? No. Baseball must stop. And NASA is not any better. How can a government funded endeavor purport to increase knowledge while cavalierly slaughtering innocent animals and then incinerate them in rocket exhaust. We fund government. We’ll stop this inhumanity.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622396) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 11:29 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren Please tell me this is fake. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37623805) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 7:44 PM Author: Pearly legal warrant space you know better than that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37642870) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:31 PM Author: free-loading histrionic base black woman Kerry Wood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621592) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:11 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren What's his best game? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621840) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:31 PM Author: Pungent area gay wizard 20 k’s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622015) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:35 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren That was good.
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:45 PM Author: Racy Pistol National Pedro Martinez’ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621667) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:48 PM Author: carnelian striped hyena bawdyhouse Clemens not getting enough love ITT. Obviously he roided up but his stats from 85-98 are amazing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621692) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 3:50 PM Author: rusted boltzmann He's probably the modern GOAT for sustained excellence. Never quite as dominant as Pedro or Randy imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621702) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:10 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren I have a hard time thinking of specific game performances for him, but the stats are definitely there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621830) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 7:26 PM Author: carnelian striped hyena bawdyhouse Late 80s were on par with randy I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622816) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:09 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren He's obviously a GOAT candidate, but I only saw him pitch in the 2000s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621824) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:10 PM Author: Opaque feces his kinda forgotten blue jay years were weirdly his best (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621832) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:08 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren Among pitchers I've seen pitch: Randy Johnson (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621819) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:11 PM Author: well-lubricated scourge upon the earth site Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez
(I'm 32) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:12 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren Just remembered I've seen Pedro pitch too and he was a hoss. Didn't get the win but the Sox won. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621847) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:16 PM Author: Copper main people I’m surprised at the lack of love for Kershaw ITT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621887) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:17 PM Author: Opaque feces playoff narrative has hurt his overall rep, unfairly or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621897) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:18 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren Game five. 2017 WS. He's incredible, but his post-season performances have tanked his reputation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621908) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:08 PM Author: Crystalline love of her life useless brakes kershaw never had that air of dominance about him. postseason performance doesn't help. was always consistent pre-injury but didn't really impart a sense that your team had no chance that day. pedro, rj did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622185) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:50 PM Author: Opaque feces he absolutely did impart that sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622399) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:51 PM Author: Crystalline love of her life useless brakes nah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622405) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 11:30 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren In April, sometimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37623809) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:26 PM Author: aggressive address boiling water Liriano actually isn't that bad of an answer in terms of stuff. I remember when he first came up watching him pitch and wondering how it was possible. Then he got hurt like 15 games into because apparently it wasn't possible to pitch like that for very long. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37621973) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:31 PM Author: Pungent area gay wizard Who was the black pitcher for the Marlins, lights out for like 2 seasons before being unable to get it over the plate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622012) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:32 PM Author: Opaque feces dontrelle willis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622021) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:38 PM Author: carnelian striped hyena bawdyhouse He had one season where he fooled people with his leg kick. Problem was it only worked the first time you saw him. The hitters watched him on video, saw him a couple times and then it didn't work anymore.
He also got cited for urinating in the street a few times, that didn't help. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:53 PM Author: Opaque feces One a smaller scale I feel like the same thing happened with Arrieta and his weird delivery (though I think he lost velocity as well). He's still good but nothing like 2015. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622120) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:57 PM Author: razzle giraffe arrieta was clearly on PEDs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622132) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:58 PM Author: Opaque feces don't disagree, but he hasn't gotten any smaller since 2015 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622138) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 4:57 PM Author: razzle giraffe dontrelle also lost his command in nearly ankiel-like fashion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622135) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 7:24 PM Author: carnelian striped hyena bawdyhouse I think in his case that was more because he was getting wacked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622810) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:10 PM Author: yellow philosopher-king mother Prime Pedro obviously
Maddux too in terms of peak couple of years
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:28 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren The correct answer is obviously Maddux if you are 45 and ever saw him pitch. And considering his prime was the steroid era, it's insane how well he pitched. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622296) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:32 PM Author: razzle giraffe peak pedro was better than peak maddux (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622317) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:33 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren Because of postseason. Braves just didn't have the bats Pedro had behind him. Maddox is the best pitcher of are lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622323) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 6:01 PM Author: razzle giraffe pedro led the league in ERA 5 times. has 2 seasons with an ERA under 2. led the league in WHIP 6 times. 6 seasons with a WHIP under 1. had over 300 ks twice. over 200 ks 9 times. led league in ks 3 times.
maddux led the league in ERA 4 times. also 2 seasons with an ERA under 2. led league in WHIP 4 times. 4 seasons with a WHIP under 1. had over 200 ks just once, never led the league in ks.
maddux got to pitch way more postseason games in his prime. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 7:29 PM Author: carnelian striped hyena bawdyhouse Maddux was not pitching to a strike out. His control was beyond ridiculous.
But maddux also pitched in the NL. Pedro doing what he did in the roided up AL East of the late 90s is just not comparable with anyone imho. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 8:04 PM Author: Copper main people Pedro and Maddox were equally unimpressive in the postseason, a la Lershaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622997) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 11:35 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren Pedro had seven shutout innings in a world series game the year the Red Sox broke the curse. He pitched more innings than any other pitcher in the 2004 ALCS, including on short rest.
Who, exactly, is your daddy? |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:31 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren Randy Johnson spent two months with the Houston Astros in 1998 and got multiple votes for the NL Cy Young. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622313) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:45 PM Author: Sooty Alcoholic Reading Party Parlor If just starting pitchers, then Randy Johnson by a mile. If you also include relievers than Mariano Rivera probably gets the nod. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622376) |
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Date: January 20th, 2019 8:29 AM Author: light french chef Don’t understand why Rivera isn’t getting more love itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37625195) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:45 PM Author: rebellious gaping Tim Lincecum, for like 18 months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622377) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:47 PM Author: Flushed Impertinent Affirmative Action Brethren He had a good run, but it was short. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622389) |
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Date: January 20th, 2019 9:53 AM Author: rebellious gaping I just looked him up, he tried a minor league comback last year and got shelled. Sad! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37625425) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 5:56 PM Author: Copper main people Scherzer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622435) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 7:23 PM Author: excitant station Walter Johnson (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622804) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 7:24 PM Author: Copper main people There are still some people alive today who might be able to claim this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37622811) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 7:47 PM Author: Carmine seedy indian lodge I was still a little kid, but Orel Hershiser in 88/89 .
His scoreless-innings streak has still never been beaten, and he won the World Series right then too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orel_Hershiser%27s_scoreless_innings_streak |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 10:59 PM Author: Copper main people I thought about mentioning him. Good one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37623655) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 7:55 PM Author: Exhilarant slippery corner masturbator Ask robin ventura
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R3niGu9d_pY |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 10:39 PM Author: Lilac Chad Cuckold randy johnson
LOL @ pitch count cucks. 100 mph for 9 innings. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 11:02 PM Author: Indigo locale Agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37623662) |
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Date: January 20th, 2019 7:12 AM Author: Lilac Chad Cuckold Allowed 25 HR against lefties in 4100 innings.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/event_hr.fcgi?id=johnsra05&t=p |
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Date: January 20th, 2019 7:58 AM Author: carnelian striped hyena bawdyhouse And then did this in the playoffs
https://www.mlb.com/video/andersons-three-run-homer/c-2520257183
Baseball is ridiculous |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 10:40 PM Author: Indigo locale I hate this team, but playoff Bumgarner has to be mentioned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37623551) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 11:04 PM Author: boyish ticket booth Max Scherzer if you're ten years old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37623669) |
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Date: January 20th, 2019 7:58 AM Author: Motley Brilliant Messiness International Law Enforcement Agency Dontrelle Willis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37625176) |
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Date: January 20th, 2019 8:09 AM Author: Painfully honest passionate institution organic girlfriend cliff lee for a brief stretch in 2009 was unhittable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37625182) |
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Date: January 20th, 2019 9:42 AM Author: Copper main people I know we’re (correctly) focused on starters here, but Rivera is worth mentioning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37625372) |
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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:12 AM Author: razzle giraffe I don't think any pitcher who only throws one inning at a time should qualify among the most dominant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37625540) |
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Date: January 21st, 2019 11:48 PM Author: Copper main people http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/9717908/a-21-stat-salute-mariano-rivera (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37637836) |
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Date: January 21st, 2019 11:59 PM Author: Lilac Chad Cuckold The second and third time through the order the batters gains an advantage. So only throwing 1300 career innings and never seeing a batter twice is a joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37637897) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 12:05 AM Author: Copper main people Postseason stats: 141 IP, 0.70 ERA, 0.76 WHIP, 42 saves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37637922) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 1:37 AM Author: Insane theatre Nothing against Mo, but are you familiar with his 1995 season?
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 8:07 AM Author: Copper main people Very. He sucked as a starter. I get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37638943) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 1:08 AM Author: alcoholic theater yarmulke best adjusted ERA+ seasons show Pedro with 2 in the top 10 and best in modern era, and Maddux with 2 in the top 5.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/earned_run_avg_plus_season.shtml
Randy Johnson obviously has an intimidation factor and 350 strikeout seasons. But Maddux and Pedro each had seasons with ERAs less than 2. Maddux won the WS (and his 4th Cy Young in a row) in a season where he went 19-2 with a 1.63 ERA.
Pedro was pitching in the AL East and his 2000 season still is the best of all time statistically.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-best-pitchers-of-all-time/
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 1:21 AM Author: concupiscible stage depressive this is wrong. JOBA actually has the best season EVER by ERA+ 1221. 12fucking21 |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 1:41 AM Author: concupiscible stage depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37638360) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 8:13 AM Author: Carmine seedy indian lodge Tim Keefe must have been incredible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37638956) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:42 PM Author: Copper main people I'd go with the unanimous Hall of Famer, Mariano Rivera! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37644196) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:49 PM Author: bisexual disturbing stage indirect expression Big Birdshit Unit, Pedro or Nolan Ryan in his prime though I didnt see that shit but Ryan even at like 40 was still an insane birdshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181283&forum_id=2#37644263) |