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Exciting chartreuse kitty cat kitty
  02/14/19
"Your Golden Messiah is looking more and more like the ...
bright cerebral trailer park mad cow disease
  02/14/19
(new poaster, first day)
pontificating slate water buffalo
  02/14/19
I've been around for close to two decades. I don't get what ...
bright cerebral trailer park mad cow disease
  02/14/19
(new poster first day)
Hairraiser Shaky Mexican
  02/14/19
animeboi has slowly adopted an entirely schtick/flame person...
Jade newt friendly grandma
  02/14/19
hes been running his shtick for years
pontificating slate water buffalo
  02/14/19
This would be massively huge, but I’ll believe it when...
Deranged Charismatic Mediation
  02/14/19
crazy how everyone forgot about that
Canary hospital
  02/14/19
It’s a very familiar pattern. Trump goes on Twitter an...
Deranged Charismatic Mediation
  02/14/19
not just xo, it's everyone. i remember facebook friends bein...
Canary hospital
  02/14/19
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  02/14/19
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Hairraiser Shaky Mexican
  02/14/19
"disparate-impact doctrine holds that policies or pract...
Cruel-hearted Brilliant Cruise Ship Karate
  02/14/19
Kill all lawyers who made this happen
rusted elite pervert
  02/14/19
kill all lawyers**
indigo ladyboy depressive
  02/14/19
this is a valid doctrine. its application should be controll...
Mischievous Onyx Black Woman
  02/14/19
Maybe "valid" in the sense that disparate impact c...
Jade newt friendly grandma
  02/14/19
180.
crawly pink native private investor
  02/14/19
This would be 18000000000000000000000 if he does it. Dispara...
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  02/15/19
he will never do it...bet me...this news tease is just a sop...
vengeful boyish theater marketing idea
  02/14/19
Why?
claret galvanic cuck
  02/14/19
because he doesn't want his children prosecuted maliciously ...
vengeful boyish theater marketing idea
  02/14/19
i could see him doing this moreso than immigration reform. b...
Hairraiser Shaky Mexican
  02/14/19
strongly disagree...disparate impact is one way GC forces th...
vengeful boyish theater marketing idea
  02/14/19
disparate impact is a major obstacle to efficient GC tho
maroon coffee pot
  02/14/19
leaving the white house in 2020?? LOL, who's going to repla...
Learning Disabled Church
  02/14/19
not a lawmo here, can someone explain when “disparate ...
pontificating slate water buffalo
  02/14/19
it's an executive branch interpretation of the '64 civil rig...
Hairraiser Shaky Mexican
  02/14/19
1964 was possibly the worst policy year in American history....
Odious sable heaven community account
  02/14/19
(u.s. history scholar)
mahogany internet-worthy useless brakes
  02/15/19
It's entirely a creature of the courts.
Odious sable heaven community account
  02/14/19
Griggs v. Duke Power Duke required job applicants to take...
Kink-friendly Halford Bawdyhouse
  02/14/19
JFC
Hairraiser Shaky Mexican
  02/14/19
Cr. Obama developed a program called Affirmatively Furtherin...
nofapping parlour son of senegal
  02/14/19
ljl i remember that shitshow i just bought a house in a s...
pontificating slate water buffalo
  02/14/19
The shit Obama was allowed to do via executive order is star...
Odious sable heaven community account
  02/15/19
tbf if you are imposing IQ tests for the lowest dumbass leve...
maroon coffee pot
  02/14/19
Tbf, you're a moron if that's your takeaway from this decisi...
white trip old irish cottage
  02/14/19
Nice strawman. How about IQ tests for progressively more imp...
marvelous nighttime office sneaky criminal
  02/14/19
this concept is why it's a valid doctrine.
Mischievous Onyx Black Woman
  02/14/19
this is an good example of what it good to have ANY Republic...
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  02/16/19
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  02/14/19
Since this is ostensibly a law board, can someone refresh my...
180 house foreskin
  02/14/19
education is used as a proxy for intelligence
talented twinkling home feces
  02/14/19
but doesn't that also set off the disparate impact alarms?
180 house foreskin
  02/14/19
hehe no. ostensibly bc education is relevant to job. but rea...
Hairraiser Shaky Mexican
  02/14/19
In theory, yes, because requiring a college degree disparate...
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Canary hospital
  02/14/19
lotteries. there have been attempts to do "job skills&q...
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LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS RAYCIS THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANAT...
Canary hospital
  02/14/19
Seems like this whole area of law is a minefield for employe...
180 house foreskin
  02/14/19
I get a little confused by some applications of disparate im...
razzle-dazzle translucent persian potus
  02/14/19
sounds like a disparate treatment case, not disparate impact...
maroon coffee pot
  02/14/19
Tcr. Disparate treatment = "you are black and ther...
crawly pink native private investor
  02/14/19
Can you prove disparate treatment without any evidence of in...
razzle-dazzle translucent persian potus
  02/14/19
YES. see, eg: "The Obama administration used dispar...
Rebellious alpha blood rage
  02/14/19
He asked about disparate treatment, not disparate impact.
Deranged Charismatic Mediation
  02/14/19
it's folded into the same category of legal analysis. blata...
Rebellious alpha blood rage
  02/14/19
"Can you prove disparate treatment without any evidence...
crawly pink native private investor
  02/14/19
it's actually not rare when you look at it that way. that's ...
Mischievous Onyx Black Woman
  02/14/19
Ha, fair. That really is an example of disparate treatment ...
crawly pink native private investor
  02/14/19
i think so. that's more individual situations. black guy fir...
Mischievous Onyx Black Woman
  02/14/19
Big picture stuff is looking at mortgage info and seeing tha...
crawly pink native private investor
  02/14/19
yeah, that works. it's the res ipsa of discrimination. i th...
Mischievous Onyx Black Woman
  02/14/19
yes, that's because the policy *is* rational. it *is* 100% r...
zippy stag film
  02/15/19
you racist. also, disparate impact doesn't mean whitey and ...
Mischievous Onyx Black Woman
  02/16/19
Even though we're way past this debate here in cuckland, eve...
white trip old irish cottage
  02/14/19
ah, but that's naïve. i don't like getting out libertar...
Mischievous Onyx Black Woman
  02/14/19
? Nigs can make their own businesses can't they? So can tran...
white trip old irish cottage
  02/14/19
The law is a minefield, but there is a burden shift. So ear...
hyperventilating people who are hurt
  02/14/19
Trump hasn't done shit about weaponized false rape accusatio...
white trip old irish cottage
  02/14/19
he is ultimately mired in boomerism. i'm confident he has n...
Rebellious alpha blood rage
  02/14/19
Some the dept of ed reforms have been 180.
Odious sable heaven community account
  02/15/19
Such as giving colleges the option of maintaining raep kanga...
white trip old irish cottage
  02/16/19
Yup. All talk, no action.
Deranged Charismatic Mediation
  02/16/19
That's not true at all. Also, you have to be an unimagina...
Geriatric haunted graveyard patrolman
  02/16/19
(Feckless queer)
white trip old irish cottage
  02/16/19
Just ask politely for a definition no one will laugh
Hairraiser Shaky Mexican
  02/16/19
Is this really something you felt the need to type out?
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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:20 AM
Author: Exciting chartreuse kitty cat kitty

Trump Looks to Uproot Numbers-Only Bias Test Widely Used in U.S.

In what would be one of the Trump administration’s most far-reaching moves regarding race relations, top White House officials are planning a sharp pullback from federal efforts to correct imbalances in outcomes for minorities in everything from housing to hiring. On the table: a ban on the use of a controversial numbers-focused racial-bias theory known as “disparate impact.”

Above and top: Anti- and pro-cop protesters after the 2014 police killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missour. Its police force was found wanting under the widely applied, and disputed, "disparate impact" theory.

AP Photo/Jeff Roberson, File

Top: Don Shrubshell/Columbia Daily Tribune via AP

Federal regulators and lobbyists familiar with the change say the White House management and budget office is reviewing a proposed executive order, originally drafted by two conservative Washington think tanks, that would prohibit the use of “the disparate-impact approach in the enforcement or application of any civil-rights law.”

A catalyst for the move is White House budget director Mick Mulvaney, who is currently also serving as interim White House chief of staff and who, while serving in Congress, was a longtime critic of disparate impact. It is not clear whether President Trump has decided to issue the executive order, which would repudiate the underlying rationale for scores of regulations and thousands of government lawsuits alleging racial discrimination, resulting in billions of dollars in fines. Doing away with it would engender fierce opposition from Democrats.

The White House press office did not respond to a request for comment.

Championed by liberals and civil-rights activists, and aggressively enforced by the Obama administration, disparate-impact doctrine holds that policies or practices that are set forth and applied neutrally can be discriminatory if they have an unequal impact on specific groups. Aimed at rooting out subtle forms of bias, the theory asserts that statistical disparities can be proof of discrimination even when no intention is clear.

Although the Supreme Court first approved use of the approach in 1971 and reaffirmed its use most recently in 2015, conservative opponents of the doctrine believe the currently constituted high court would uphold an executive order doing away with it.

The Obama administration used disparate impact to sue hundreds of school districts for civil rights violations because they disciplined black students at higher rates than whites. It also used the theory to allege bias in consumer credit reporting, employee background checks, student loans, criminal court fines, traffic stops and arrests, and home and auto lending, among other things.

Conservative critics argue liberal politicians and bureaucrats have long misused the theory to find racial bias where it does not exist. They see it as a social-engineering weapon aimed at equalizing outcomes and extending the government’s power over the private sector.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/02/14/trump_looks_to_end_numbers-only_bias_theory_governing_american_life.html

Your Golden Messiah is looking more and more like the old Brown Messiah he replaced, eh Trumpkins? Maybe you should have voted for a principled conservative.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781180)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:26 AM
Author: bright cerebral trailer park mad cow disease

"Your Golden Messiah is looking more and more like the old Brown Messiah he replaced, eh Trumpkins? Maybe you should have voted for a principled conservative."

wut?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781202)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:28 AM
Author: pontificating slate water buffalo

(new poaster, first day)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781211)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:33 AM
Author: bright cerebral trailer park mad cow disease

I've been around for close to two decades. I don't get what he's going for with that last line.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781239)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:35 AM
Author: Hairraiser Shaky Mexican

(new poster first day)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781264)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:36 PM
Author: Jade newt friendly grandma

animeboi has slowly adopted an entirely schtick/flame persona

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783244)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:53 PM
Author: pontificating slate water buffalo

hes been running his shtick for years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783327)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:21 AM
Author: Deranged Charismatic Mediation

This would be massively huge, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

Trump talks a big game but is largely an impotent fool. Remember when he ended birthright citizenship? Oh, that’s right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781184)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:33 AM
Author: Canary hospital

crazy how everyone forgot about that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781243)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:40 AM
Author: Deranged Charismatic Mediation

It’s a very familiar pattern. Trump goes on Twitter and makes threats or promises that sound great. There’s media buzz about it, and XO gets excited.

Then Trump inevitably does nothing, and XO forgets.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781281)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:54 AM
Author: Canary hospital

not just xo, it's everyone. i remember facebook friends being a buzz about it and non lawyers asking me about birthright citizenship. then... nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781348)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:22 AM
Author: walnut really tough guy selfie

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781187)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:23 AM
Author: Hairraiser Shaky Mexican

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781188)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:24 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted Brilliant Cruise Ship Karate

"disparate-impact doctrine holds that policies or practices that are set forth and applied neutrally can be discriminatory if they have an unequal impact on specific groups"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781193)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:25 AM
Author: rusted elite pervert

Kill all lawyers who made this happen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781194)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 12:56 PM
Author: indigo ladyboy depressive

kill all lawyers**

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781683)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:16 PM
Author: Mischievous Onyx Black Woman

this is a valid doctrine. its application should be controlled, and i'm not saying that's easy to do properly, but it has its place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783723)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:20 PM
Author: Jade newt friendly grandma

Maybe "valid" in the sense that disparate impact could maybe (and I'm skeptical about this) be enough to leave the question of intentional discrimination up to the trier of fact. In reality though, it shifts the burden to the defendant, which is bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783757)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:29 AM
Author: crawly pink native private investor

180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781217)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:29 AM
Author: nofapping parlour son of senegal

This would be 18000000000000000000000 if he does it. Disparate impact is a fucking monster. Much more insidious than straight AA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781220)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:30 AM
Author: talented twinkling home feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781223)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:33 AM
Author: Canary hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781248)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:33 AM
Author: Odious sable heaven community account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781249)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:34 AM
Author: zippy stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781262)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:40 PM
Author: Concupiscible Generalized Bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783265)



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Date: February 15th, 2019 12:38 AM
Author: bearded menage knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37785431)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:30 AM
Author: vengeful boyish theater marketing idea

he will never do it...bet me...this news tease is just a sop to his alienated base...in fact, before he leaves the white house in 2020, he will take steps to advance anti-white laws..that will be how he ensures that the establishment does not persecute him or his children using lawfare etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781226)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:32 AM
Author: claret galvanic cuck

Why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781235)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:33 AM
Author: vengeful boyish theater marketing idea

because he doesn't want his children prosecuted maliciously under one of thousands of laws available to do so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781246)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:33 AM
Author: Hairraiser Shaky Mexican

i could see him doing this moreso than immigration reform. because GC is either indifferent to disparate impact or doesn't like it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781241)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:34 AM
Author: vengeful boyish theater marketing idea

strongly disagree...disparate impact is one way GC forces the white management to adhere to multiculturalism...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781255)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 12:06 PM
Author: maroon coffee pot

disparate impact is a major obstacle to efficient GC tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781423)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 12:11 PM
Author: Learning Disabled Church

leaving the white house in 2020?? LOL, who's going to replace him? that corpse, Biden?? LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781461)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:32 AM
Author: pontificating slate water buffalo

not a lawmo here, can someone explain when “disparate impact” started (enacted into law)? Was it ever challenged in SC? Any scholarship would be appreciated



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781237)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:34 AM
Author: Hairraiser Shaky Mexican

it's an executive branch interpretation of the '64 civil rights act.

the posted article mentions it was challenged and upheld in scotus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781257)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:36 AM
Author: Odious sable heaven community account

1964 was possibly the worst policy year in American history. Kennedy pushed the immigration act through too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781267)



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Date: February 15th, 2019 12:42 AM
Author: mahogany internet-worthy useless brakes

(u.s. history scholar)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37785439)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:34 AM
Author: Odious sable heaven community account

It's entirely a creature of the courts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781258)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:35 AM
Author: Kink-friendly Halford Bawdyhouse

Griggs v. Duke Power

Duke required job applicants to take an IQ test. Black applicants failed the test at a much higher rate than white applicants. SCOTUS said that because this test was not directly related to the job requirements and it disproportionately impacted black applicants, it was a violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

It's a horrible case and its reasoning has crept into other areas such as housing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781266)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:46 AM
Author: Hairraiser Shaky Mexican

JFC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781314)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:49 AM
Author: nofapping parlour son of senegal

Cr. Obama developed a program called Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing that was going to sue the fuck out of any suburb that was >90% white on the basis that that fact alone showed it was discriminating against would-be minority residents. Then suburb would be forced into consent judgment that required it to set aside Section 8 housing for poor dindus. If not for Trump, HER would be putting it into action as we speak.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781330)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 1:55 PM
Author: pontificating slate water buffalo

ljl i remember that shitshow

i just bought a house in a suburb where literally every surrounding town is 95%+ white. i hope we have a good 10 years here, before the next dem is able to push that through and it starts taking effect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781974)



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Date: February 15th, 2019 1:30 AM
Author: Odious sable heaven community account

The shit Obama was allowed to do via executive order is startling, especially compared to how courts have treated Trump.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37785516)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 12:08 PM
Author: maroon coffee pot

tbf if you are imposing IQ tests for the lowest dumbass level position at your manual labor company, you are almost assuredly doing it to exclude minorities even absent a paper trail demonstrating it

like you probably need an IQ of 85 or something to do that job well and literally talking to a person for five minutes will tell you if their IQ is high enough, you don't need a test

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781435)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:29 PM
Author: white trip old irish cottage

Tbf, you're a moron if that's your takeaway from this decision

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783209)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:06 PM
Author: marvelous nighttime office sneaky criminal

Nice strawman. How about IQ tests for progressively more important and/or cognitively demanding roles?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783675)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:19 PM
Author: Mischievous Onyx Black Woman

this concept is why it's a valid doctrine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783743)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:34 AM
Author: Canary hospital

this is an good example of what it good to have ANY Republican in the white house over ANY democrat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781260)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:36 AM
Author: Odious sable heaven community account



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:38 AM
Author: zippy stag film



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Date: February 15th, 2019 12:38 AM
Author: bearded menage knife



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Date: February 16th, 2019 7:14 PM
Author: Kink-friendly Halford Bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37793781)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:43 AM
Author: razzle vermilion market

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781292)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:43 AM
Author: 180 house foreskin

Since this is ostensibly a law board, can someone refresh my memory on how disparate impact theory affects employers in practice?

I recall there are cases saying that you can't, for example, use an IQ test when hiring for many jobs because that will exclude too many minorities who meet the minimum qualifications for the job. So once you've taken away the IQ test, how can you legally in practice select among the huge numbers of applicants who meet the minimum qualifications?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781294)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:44 AM
Author: talented twinkling home feces

education is used as a proxy for intelligence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781306)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:46 AM
Author: 180 house foreskin

but doesn't that also set off the disparate impact alarms?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781313)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:50 AM
Author: Hairraiser Shaky Mexican

hehe no. ostensibly bc education is relevant to job. but really bc that would undermine the higher ed scam. hehe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781334)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:51 AM
Author: nofapping parlour son of senegal

In theory, yes, because requiring a college degree disparately impacts minorities and in reality is not tied to most job requirements. But the (((Courts))) will not go that far because it would destroy the gov't/higher ed industrial complex.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781338)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:51 AM
Author: Hairraiser Shaky Mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781339)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:52 AM
Author: talented twinkling home feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781344)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 12:03 PM
Author: Canary hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781402)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:51 AM
Author: Pungent Piazza French Chef

lotteries. there have been attempts to do "job skills" tests like the FDNY test but minorities fail those too and the courts have struck them for "institutional bias". https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/19/nyregion/new-york-settles-bias-lawsuit-against-fire-department.html ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_v._DeStefano

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781340)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 12:04 PM
Author: Canary hospital

LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS RAYCIS

THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION

NONE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781410)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 11:58 AM
Author: 180 house foreskin

Seems like this whole area of law is a minefield for employers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_v._DeStefano

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781369)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 12:00 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle translucent persian potus

I get a little confused by some applications of disparate impact.

Does any discrimination that is not accompanied by clear evidence of discriminatory intent require disparate impact? Let's say i am a lender and I only lend to whites. The evidence is clear that I reject all black applicants regardless of credit score, but I have never said so or have anything in writing. Can discriminatory intent be inferred from my behavior, or does that require a disparate impact analysis since the end result is no blacks getting loans?

I know that is different than challenging a test or other neutral hiring practices which result in a disparity which is clearly bullshit - but courts should probably be able to stop the first situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781377)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 12:34 PM
Author: maroon coffee pot

sounds like a disparate treatment case, not disparate impact

disparate treatment = fuck u blacks

disparate impact = whoops sorry blacks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781576)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 1:31 PM
Author: crawly pink native private investor

Tcr.

Disparate treatment = "you are black and therefore fuck off. You can be buying in a white neighborhood or black, be rich or poor, but we want nothing to do with you because you are black."

Disparate impact = "we lend for neighborhoods that have high values only. We do this because it is a better investment, which we can demonstrate. It just so happens that the overwhelming percentage of these neighborhoods are white/Asian and not black."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37781854)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:12 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle translucent persian potus

Can you prove disparate treatment without any evidence of intent?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783124)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:23 PM
Author: Rebellious alpha blood rage

YES. see, eg:

"The Obama administration used disparate impact to sue hundreds of school districts for civil rights violations because they disciplined black students at higher rates than whites."

the DOJ was going off of statistics alone. the question of racially-disparate BEHAVIOR was never addressed. the implicit premise is that different races behave precisely the same for legal purposes, making differential treatment prima facie evidence of discrimination on the basis of race.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783176)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:29 PM
Author: Deranged Charismatic Mediation

He asked about disparate treatment, not disparate impact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783206)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:34 PM
Author: Rebellious alpha blood rage

it's folded into the same category of legal analysis. blatant disparate "treatment" would probably result in the threat of criminal civil rights intimidation charges from the DOJ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783237)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:19 PM
Author: crawly pink native private investor

"Can you prove disparate treatment without any evidence of intent?"

Sure. That's where you show that there are blacks that live in the right neighborhood, make the right money, etc. and are still discriminated against. But you have to show a direct pattern where white person is the same in all other respects and gets the nod while black person with these attributes is consistently dinged. The truth is that this has been rare to non-existent for a very long time.

With disparate impact you just pick some statistics with no context and BAM you've got disparate impact. It is like the women make 70 cents for every dollar a man makes stat or most in tech are men therefore women must be discriminated against.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783746)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:33 PM
Author: Mischievous Onyx Black Woman

it's actually not rare when you look at it that way. that's describing aa's impact on whitey, asians, jews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783837)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:37 PM
Author: crawly pink native private investor

Ha, fair. That really is an example of disparate treatment rather than impact.

Disparate impact is giving scholarships and preferential admissions for athletes. Of course, whites and Asians don't even consider complaining about this.

Disparate treatment is just saying "oh, you're black? Well we're adding a bunch of points to your application."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783860)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:27 PM
Author: Mischievous Onyx Black Woman

i think so. that's more individual situations. black guy fired for doing same shit whitey gets away with. still have more blacks employed, but blacks treated unfairly

or still keep black on jury, but black guy kicked off by prosecution even though no good reason. that's batson. that's disparate treatment.

i don't know about big picture stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783800)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:32 PM
Author: crawly pink native private investor

Big picture stuff is looking at mortgage info and seeing that what gets a white guy a mortgage gets a black guy dinged and the company being unable to demonstrate anything that causes that.

Meanwhile, disparate impact is saying "well yeah, but the credit scores are totally different." Response: "well maybe using credit scores is RACIST because it causes this, and you're clearly racist because the result isn't the same for whites and blacks."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783829)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:37 PM
Author: Mischievous Onyx Black Woman

yeah, that works. it's the res ipsa of discrimination.

i think of disparate impact as we don't lend in high crime neighborhoods, ergo blacks get fucked even if the policy itself can be explained rationally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783859)



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Date: February 15th, 2019 12:42 AM
Author: zippy stag film

yes, that's because the policy *is* rational. it *is* 100% rational to freeze undesirables out of civilization

blacks cannot ever be successfully integrated into human civilization. to think that you can tinker with "laws" and you will somehow magically succeed in doing this is cartoonishly naive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37785440)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:54 PM
Author: Mischievous Onyx Black Woman

you racist.

also, disparate impact doesn't mean whitey and everyone else doesn't also get fucked. it just means the referenced group is getting overfucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37792429)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:34 PM
Author: white trip old irish cottage

Even though we're way past this debate here in cuckland, even your concession that the courts should be able to prevent private businesses from conducting themselves as they see fit, is wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783230)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:40 PM
Author: Mischievous Onyx Black Woman

ah, but that's naïve. i don't like getting out libertarianed, but letting private businesses be stone cold bigots is a path to legitimate violence and discontent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783874)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 7:52 PM
Author: white trip old irish cottage

? Nigs can make their own businesses can't they? So can trannies and fags? Any other reason for forcing business with undesirables other than a tenuous assertion that this will necessarily lead to violence?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783925)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:38 PM
Author: hyperventilating people who are hurt

The law is a minefield, but there is a burden shift. So earl bank lends only to whites, rejects black applicants with the same credit score stats etc. black applicant sues, says you loaned to white but not me. Burden on earl bank to show non-discriminatory motive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783259)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:36 PM
Author: white trip old irish cottage

Trump hasn't done shit about weaponized false rape accusations, illegal immigration or racism against whites. If he were going to do something, he should have done it by now. He has been completely feckless apart from "twitter" posts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783248)



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Date: February 14th, 2019 5:38 PM
Author: Rebellious alpha blood rage

he is ultimately mired in boomerism. i'm confident he has no fucking idea about how insane the "diversity industry" has become in the corporate world or in federal hiring, or even in the military. an actual reformer will need to have grown up under the boot of this stuff, and understand what it means in real terms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37783257)



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Date: February 15th, 2019 1:35 AM
Author: Odious sable heaven community account

Some the dept of ed reforms have been 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37785530)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 2:13 PM
Author: white trip old irish cottage

Such as giving colleges the option of maintaining raep kangaroo courts?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37792479)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:59 PM
Author: Deranged Charismatic Mediation

Yup. All talk, no action.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37792447)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 2:01 PM
Author: Geriatric haunted graveyard patrolman

That's not true at all.

Also, you have to be an unimaginable queer to use the word "feckless"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37792454)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 2:13 PM
Author: white trip old irish cottage

(Feckless queer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37792482)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 3:30 PM
Author: Hairraiser Shaky Mexican

Just ask politely for a definition no one will laugh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37792811)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 4:36 PM
Author: Geriatric haunted graveyard patrolman

Is this really something you felt the need to type out?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4201506&forum_id=2#37793069)