\
  The most prestigious law school admissions discussion board in the world.
BackRefresh Options Favorite

Pretty ugly situation being staged for this weekend in Venezuela

GC stooge Richard Branson is staging a concert in Colombia o...
green magical theatre
  02/21/19
already happening i guess
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
Someone explain to me not letting in aid. Seems that blocki...
cracking glassy messiness dilemma
  02/22/19
"Aid" probably comes with GC propaganda leaflets, ...
Disrespectful Old Irish Cottage Travel Guidebook
  02/22/19
They are letting aid in, from non political entities and fro...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
Nope. They’re blocking the border with Brazil too, and...
marvelous gay wizard bawdyhouse
  02/22/19
Yes, they are blocking the border from Brazil because the US...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
Aid from Russia and China has no political implications, I'm...
charismatic twisted native
  02/22/19
sure they have an agenda, but they arent trying to overthrow...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
The US wasn't desperate for aid. Venezuela is. I'm just...
cracking glassy messiness dilemma
  02/22/19
Can't they seize everything at the border, inspect the packa...
cracking glassy messiness dilemma
  02/22/19
They could, but I dont think those in control of the aid are...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
LOL, once they're inside the country they're greeted by arme...
cracking glassy messiness dilemma
  02/22/19
Also, reminder that the main coordinator of this "aid&q...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
Ok, so after the trucks move through, you take the trucks an...
cracking glassy messiness dilemma
  02/22/19
they already declared that they found hidden weapons. it was...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
I get all this. I'm saying that just blocking the aid isn't...
cracking glassy messiness dilemma
  02/22/19
fonsi!
Yapping institution
  02/22/19
...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
Poasts like this are pathetic. Evil is evil and aid is ai...
Diverse Potus Center
  02/22/19
"Aid is aid" Except when "aid" is acc...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
Tell that to Venezuelans who are subsisting on eating garbag...
Diverse Potus Center
  02/22/19
if you think the US is really out there to help the poor who...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
something about that guy's moniker makes me question his can...
Yapping institution
  02/22/19
...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
(((huh??)))
Diverse Potus Center
  02/22/19
...
cracking glassy messiness dilemma
  02/22/19
I don't disagree, but if anything the U.S. does is right it'...
Diverse Potus Center
  02/22/19
i think its more complicated than that, and i dont trust the...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
Guaido is a forcememe but what's the alternative? You have t...
Diverse Potus Center
  02/22/19
i dont dispute that things are bad. my point is that support...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
This is as dumb as saying liberating concentration camps was...
Diverse Potus Center
  02/22/19
awful, terrible, really bad analogy
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
Not at all. America should be willing, ready and able to hel...
Diverse Potus Center
  02/22/19
you're either incredibly naive or just stupid. read this for...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
The aid is obviously political aid meant to make Maduro look...
Tantric sepia box office shitlib
  02/22/19
because i understand the history of us intervention in latin...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
It's virtually impossible for it to be worse than this. ...
Tantric sepia box office shitlib
  02/22/19
its definitely possible to get much worse. just look at liby...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
You realize that Guaido is (objectively) the legitimate pres...
Tantric sepia box office shitlib
  02/22/19
ggtp blithely unaware of this
Diverse Potus Center
  02/22/19
this is completely wrong. the legal argument for guaido's pr...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
His claim is far more legitimate than Maduro's which is why ...
Tantric sepia box office shitlib
  02/22/19
thats incorrect. mexico, uruguay and bolivia do not support ...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
It was a fraudulent election called by a fake single party c...
Tantric sepia box office shitlib
  02/22/19
it was a preisdential election in line with the constitution...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
I never understand these arguments. The only question is wh...
cracking glassy messiness dilemma
  02/22/19
Nobody's disputing that Maduro is a dictator with effective ...
Tantric sepia box office shitlib
  02/22/19
lmao
green magical theatre
  02/22/19
lmao would love to see branson gunned down at the border
irate really tough guy kitchen
  02/22/19
...
green magical theatre
  02/22/19


Poast new message in this thread



Reply Favorite

Date: February 21st, 2019 1:45 AM
Author: green magical theatre

GC stooge Richard Branson is staging a concert in Colombia on the border, where the USAID "humanitarian aid" has been held up on grounds of it being meant to destabilize the country. The Branson event actually has some pretty huge names from the Spanish language music world participating -- Mana, Juan Luis Guerra, Maluma, Carlos Vives, Luis Fonsi. Meanwhile, the self-appointed presidented is urging people to force the "humanitarian aid" in by any means necessary, likely setting up an ugly confrontation with the military blocking the border. You can be sure that the usual media sources will blow up any altercation into a full blown crisis and reason why we need urgent action from the US against Maduro.

Could get ugly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37818525)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:39 AM
Author: green magical theatre

already happening i guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825231)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:40 AM
Author: cracking glassy messiness dilemma

Someone explain to me not letting in aid. Seems that blocking it destabilizes the country more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825235)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:40 AM
Author: Disrespectful Old Irish Cottage Travel Guidebook

"Aid" probably comes with GC propaganda leaflets, ads for Amazon Prime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825241)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:41 AM
Author: green magical theatre

They are letting aid in, from non political entities and from allies.

The only aid that is being blocked is from USAID, which is deeply intertwined with the CIA and whose aid is being used overtly as a pretext to undermine the Maduro government. They'd be retarded to let USAID in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825243)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:43 AM
Author: marvelous gay wizard bawdyhouse

Nope. They’re blocking the border with Brazil too, and preventing everything from there. I don’t know where you are getting your talking points.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825249)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:44 AM
Author: green magical theatre

Yes, they are blocking the border from Brazil because the US has said they will be forcing their phony "aid" through all land borders and sea to undermine the Maduro government. It's a prudent move.

They are receiving something like 300 tons of aid from Russia and China, and non political UN affiliated and Red Cross aid agencies are active on the ground. Why on earth would they let in "aid" from a country that has already committed to overthrow the government?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825257)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:59 AM
Author: charismatic twisted native

Aid from Russia and China has no political implications, I'm sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825347)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:05 AM
Author: green magical theatre

sure they have an agenda, but they arent trying to overthrow the government

its pretty reasonable to block aid from sources which are openly trying to destabilize the country. GWB blocked aid from Venezuela in the aftermath of Katrina for example

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825374)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:11 AM
Author: cracking glassy messiness dilemma

The US wasn't desperate for aid. Venezuela is.

I'm just saying, there's a smarter way to play this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825407)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:45 AM
Author: cracking glassy messiness dilemma

Can't they seize everything at the border, inspect the packages and then distribute themselves?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825265)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:46 AM
Author: green magical theatre

They could, but I dont think those in control of the aid are offering that as an option, they are demanding free passage to give the aid directly to the opposition

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825275)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:52 AM
Author: cracking glassy messiness dilemma

LOL, once they're inside the country they're greeted by armed soldiers telling them they can get out or die.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825301)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:43 AM
Author: green magical theatre

Also, reminder that the main coordinator of this "aid" mission from the US side is Elliot Abrams, who is famous for hiding weapons shipments in "humanitarian aid" packages to central american countries in the 80s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825248)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:47 AM
Author: cracking glassy messiness dilemma

Ok, so after the trucks move through, you take the trucks and packages, take all the hidden weapons, distribute the food/supplies they're hiding in. Then you announce that you found hidden weapons but that you're distributing the food/supplies to the people because you're such a great Commie. The US huffs and declares it will no longer send aid. You declare victory and from a public relations standpoint you are right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825277)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:51 AM
Author: green magical theatre

they already declared that they found hidden weapons. it was roundly ignored in most media

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/latin-america/article225949200.html

the use of "humanitarian aid" to arm rebel movements has a long history, its not some wild conspiracy

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-05-19/news/mn-1157_1_military-aid

even taking the aid at face value, its not meant to really help people, its only meant to help the overthrow the government and strengthen the opposition. its deeply political

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/02/venezuela-humanitarian-aid-weapon-regimes/583309/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825298)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:53 AM
Author: cracking glassy messiness dilemma

I get all this. I'm saying that just blocking the aid isn't the right play. Let it come and then seize it. Yeah, they'll stop sending it eventually but you'll get some free weapons and supplies and PR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825309)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:43 AM
Author: Yapping institution

fonsi!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825250)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:44 AM
Author: green magical theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825259)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:45 AM
Author: Diverse Potus Center

Poasts like this are pathetic.

Evil is evil and aid is aid, sometimes things are black and white, not everything is CIA intrigue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825271)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:48 AM
Author: green magical theatre

"Aid is aid"

Except when "aid" is accompanied by "USAID Red" teams which are actually special forces, and when the aid is coordinated by people who are desperate to overthrow the government, dont be so naive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825283)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:50 AM
Author: Diverse Potus Center

Tell that to Venezuelans who are subsisting on eating garbage. You poast this from the comfort of your home or office, shut the fuck up. You have no idea what these people are going through. The source of aid doesn't matter. Russian and Chinese aid come from governments that would love to see Maduro in power because he's anti-U.S, pro-authoritarianism, but he's the exact reason the Venezuelans find themselves in their current predicament. You're insane and you need help.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825292)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:54 AM
Author: green magical theatre

if you think the US is really out there to help the poor who are subsisting on garbage, you are out of your mind. if venezuela devolves into a civil war situation, how do you think the poverty situation will develop? we should remove sanctions on venezuela, provide non politicized aid and use dialogue to promote democratic institutions. a cynical government coup is unlikely to provide anything good. we've been trying to overthrow the venezuelan government since 2002, its time we shifted tactics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825315)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:56 AM
Author: Yapping institution

something about that guy's moniker makes me question his candor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825321)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:57 AM
Author: green magical theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825333)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:00 AM
Author: Diverse Potus Center

(((huh??)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825350)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:03 AM
Author: cracking glassy messiness dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825368)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 10:59 AM
Author: Diverse Potus Center

I don't disagree, but if anything the U.S. does is right it's helping people that need help desperately. We are still the "good guys" in the world, despite our missteps. I truly loathe the neocons who drove us into a misguided war like Iraq because it tarnished America's brand as the people who show up to help, but if anything is unassailable, it should be providing aid to desperate people. Venezuela is the way it is presently because of an authoritarian psychopath, not because of U.S. efforts to impact Venezuelan politics or disagreements between our governments. Unless you're a moral relativist, things clearly boil down to good and evil, right and wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825348)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:02 AM
Author: green magical theatre

i think its more complicated than that, and i dont trust the intentions of the neocon cabal making decisions on the US side. i certainly dont think maduro is without fault, but the whole guaido thing is a complete joke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825364)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:05 AM
Author: Diverse Potus Center

Guaido is a forcememe but what's the alternative? You have to live in the world and you have to make choices. Venezuelans are leaving the country en masse by foot. What more proof do you need things are bad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825375)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:07 AM
Author: green magical theatre

i dont dispute that things are bad. my point is that supporting a coup will only make things worse, and this phony "aid shipment" is clearly meant to accelerate regime change, not alleviate poverty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825383)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:13 AM
Author: Diverse Potus Center

This is as dumb as saying liberating concentration camps was just under the false pretense of "regime change" in Nazi Germany.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825419)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:14 AM
Author: green magical theatre

awful, terrible, really bad analogy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825428)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:17 AM
Author: Diverse Potus Center

Not at all. America should be willing, ready and able to help people in need. Not everything has a subtext. The Venezuelan people are suffering immensely. They lack food, medicine, clothing, items for babies, their situation is desperate.

You're against US aid but not Russian/Chinese aid, as if that comes without an agenda in your mind? It doesn't matter that they are supportive of the Maduro regime causing this whole mess?

You're way, way off on this and I hope you come around to your senses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825441)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:23 AM
Author: green magical theatre

you're either incredibly naive or just stupid. read this for a basic primer on what's been happening in venezuela

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/13/neoliberalism-or-death-the-u-s-economic-war-against-venezuela/

aid meant to alleviate suffering in venezuela without trying to destabilize the situation is welcome. aid specifically designed to destabilize the government and lead to a coup is not welcome. this should be easy to understand.

if the venezuelan people are suffering so immensely, why not alleviate sanctions on the country. why steal billions from the venezuelans through seizing gold in the uk and oil receipts in the us if youre really concerned about the venezuelans? the aid on offer is a pittance, paling in comparison to the economic stranglehold placed on the country, and obviously designed to serve propaganda purposes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825480)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:31 AM
Author: Tantric sepia box office shitlib

The aid is obviously political aid meant to make Maduro look bad, topple his evil regime, and return Venezuela to sense and democracy.

Why exactly are you defending some bus driver dictator again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825527)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:33 AM
Author: green magical theatre

because i understand the history of us intervention in latin american countries and believe the situation is likely to get worse if we overthrow maduro. venezuelans should be able to choose their own government, whichever type it may be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825539)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:37 AM
Author: Tantric sepia box office shitlib

It's virtually impossible for it to be worse than this.

And the Venezuelans DID choose their government. They voted in a supermajority of the opposition. Maduro then took a series of steps to invalidate this to maintain power.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825570)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:41 AM
Author: green magical theatre

its definitely possible to get much worse. just look at libya, which not coincidentally was another us "humanitarian" intervention.

sure the opposition won control of the national assembly, but they decided they were above compliance with the judiciary and really ceded any right to complain by boycotting presidential elections

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825593)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:18 AM
Author: Tantric sepia box office shitlib

You realize that Guaido is (objectively) the legitimate president right now, right? Maduro staged a coup, created a fake one-party congress, and held a fake election. Guaido's claim is far more legitimate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825449)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:18 AM
Author: Diverse Potus Center

ggtp blithely unaware of this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825453)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:24 AM
Author: green magical theatre

this is completely wrong. the legal argument for guaido's presidency is incredibly weak. the presidency is not "vacant", it is occupied by maduro. the opposition refused to take part in the elections last time, thats their loss. even if you do buy his claim, under the article he is using to claim presidency under, he had to declare elections within 30 days, which he has not done. so even in the best case scenario he is not legitimate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825491)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:28 AM
Author: Tantric sepia box office shitlib

His claim is far more legitimate than Maduro's which is why virtually every other Latin American country supports it.

You can't create a fake new congress when you lose a legislature election. That fake congress can't call legitimate presidential elections. Maduro was not elected in a legitimate election and neither was his VP. Given the absence of a president or VP, Guaido is interim president.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825513)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:36 AM
Author: green magical theatre

thats incorrect. mexico, uruguay and bolivia do not support the coup.

you cant boycott elections and create the fiction of consensus. virtually no one in venezuela had heard of this guaido dude before january. its absurd that he has a leigtimate claim to the presidency

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825559)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:40 AM
Author: Tantric sepia box office shitlib

It was a fraudulent election called by a fake single party congress. Not boycotting would give it legitimacy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825585)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:42 AM
Author: green magical theatre

it was a preisdential election in line with the constitutionally mandated process. boycotting just means they cant complain when no one votes for them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825598)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:35 AM
Author: cracking glassy messiness dilemma

I never understand these arguments. The only question is whether he'll be able to beat Maduro on the ground. If he can't then he is president of nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825553)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:42 AM
Author: Tantric sepia box office shitlib

Nobody's disputing that Maduro is a dictator with effective control of his military and thus country. What's your point?

Mine is that calling it a "coup" is false. Maduro is the one who staged a coup. Guaido is the one with the better legal claim.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825599)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:43 AM
Author: green magical theatre

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825604)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:34 AM
Author: irate really tough guy kitchen

lmao would love to see branson gunned down at the border

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825545)



Reply Favorite

Date: February 22nd, 2019 11:36 AM
Author: green magical theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4206112&forum_id=2#37825561)