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Cheers > Seinfeld

Yuge Seinfeldmo but I give Cheers the edge
Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple
  02/23/19
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Sexy splenetic factory reset button
  02/23/19
IDK man I watched cheers for the first time a few months ago...
claret space
  02/23/19
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contagious love of her life state
  02/23/19
This. And Seinfeld is actually even funnier now.
Cruel-hearted Really Tough Guy
  02/23/19
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odious bbw
  02/23/19
I'm rewatching Seinfeld now (Hadn't watched it in 10 or 15 y...
salmon juggernaut property
  02/23/19
Same and rewatching it as an adult is a tremendous pleasure....
Cruel-hearted Really Tough Guy
  02/23/19
*leans into mic*
Metal Multi-colored Tanning Salon Regret
  02/23/19
Shh.. Voodoo Child finally posting about something other tha...
primrose disturbing theater stage liquid oxygen
  02/23/19
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Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple
  02/23/19
Wrong but Frasier is
supple opaque hominid locale
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Hyperactive messiness set
  02/23/19
lol no
Diverse tattoo stage
  02/23/19
FWIW, Bill Simmons picked Seinfeld: http://proxy.espn.com...
Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple
  02/23/19
Morty Seinfeld is a very underrated character.
salmon juggernaut property
  02/23/19
He was brilliant in the raincoat episode. But Mrs. Seinfeld ...
Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple
  02/23/19
she was understated. can't have everyone be so over-the-top
Geriatric immigrant
  02/23/19
what happened to Cheers though is exactly what Seinfeld didn...
erotic copper stain
  02/23/19
One thing about Seinfeld: The last season really sucked. But...
Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple
  02/23/19
Yeah, the show took a really sharp turn in the last two seas...
Infuriating chad haunted graveyard
  02/23/19
I could never get fully into Seinfeld. It’s an incredi...
Hyperactive messiness set
  02/23/19
Too bad we never got to meet Bob Sacamano
Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple
  02/23/19
Or Vera
Infuriating chad haunted graveyard
  02/23/19
Cr. Or Lomez
Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple
  02/23/19
I guess the difference is that Kramer's cronies were NYC odd...
Infuriating chad haunted graveyard
  02/23/19


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Date: February 23rd, 2019 12:30 AM
Author: Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple

Yuge Seinfeldmo but I give Cheers the edge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37829494)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 12:30 AM
Author: Sexy splenetic factory reset button



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 1:00 AM
Author: claret space

IDK man I watched cheers for the first time a few months ago. Watched the first two seasons and the series finale. It was for sure ahead of its time but still dated by today’s standards. Seinfeld could air today and still be 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37829619)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 1:51 AM
Author: contagious love of her life state



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 1:52 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted Really Tough Guy

This. And Seinfeld is actually even funnier now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37829825)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 1:52 AM
Author: odious bbw



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 8:59 AM
Author: salmon juggernaut property

I'm rewatching Seinfeld now (Hadn't watched it in 10 or 15 years, but saw every episode probably 10x in HS). It's amazing how well crafted the episodes are and how funny George, Elaine, and the most of the bit characters are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830293)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 10:27 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted Really Tough Guy

Same and rewatching it as an adult is a tremendous pleasure.

Some of the scenes are so dead pan excellent with timing, phrasing and situations, it's incredible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830541)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 1:59 AM
Author: Metal Multi-colored Tanning Salon Regret

*leans into mic*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37829840)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 2:04 AM
Author: primrose disturbing theater stage liquid oxygen

Shh.. Voodoo Child finally posting about something other than Obeezy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37829861)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 8:48 AM
Author: Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 3:07 AM
Author: supple opaque hominid locale

Wrong but Frasier is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37829966)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 10:28 AM
Author: Hyperactive messiness set



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 8:49 AM
Author: Diverse tattoo stage

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830269)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 8:57 AM
Author: Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple

FWIW, Bill Simmons picked Seinfeld:

http://proxy.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020221

All right, let's break this down, Dr. Jack-style:

Stars: Jerry Seinfeld wasn't really acting, was he? Wasn't he basically playing himself and shifting his nightclub act to the small screen? Wasn't he more of a straight man, a facilitator? As for Ted Danson, he created a memorable, multi-dimensional, likable, hysterical character. ... I mean, it didn't get much better than Sam Malone. Jerry needed the actual material to make you laugh; Sammy could make you laugh without saying a line. I would even call him a borderline comedic genius. And he could go serious on you, too. Frankly, it's no contest. EDGE: "Cheers."

Supporting Cast: Elaine, Kramer and George. That's a murderers' row. You could make a case that Elaine was the funniest female TV character of all-time; Kramer was the funniest "wacky sitcom character"; and George was the funniest TV character of all-time, period. Who was funnier than George Costanza? He's the only sitcom character who ever made me consistently laugh out loud ... and yes, I'm including Screech, J.J. Walker, Joey Tribbiani and Jack Tripper. He kills me to this day.

And I liked all of the running fringe characters (George's parents, Newman, Puddy, etc.) except for Mr. and Mrs. Seinfeld (who never brought anything to the table and should have been put out to pasture after the two-part raincoats episode). "Cheers" probably matches them for running fringe characters though (Harry the Con Man, Eddie LeBeck, Nick Tortelli).

As for the "Cheers" supporting cast, Norm Peterson was my second-favorite sitcom character of all-time (nobody had a better entrance). Diane Chambers worked perfectly in the early years, but ultimately became overbearing. Cliff Clavin was a tour-de-force, one of the more original sitcom characters out there. Same with Frasier (do you realize Kelsey Grammar is going on 17 years playing that guy? Has to be a record). I enjoyed Carla as long as they weren't revolving an episode around her. The only characters I never really liked were Rebecca Howe and Lilith, but "Cheers" was running on fumes for those last few years.

George Costanza

George Costanza might be the best character in sitcom history.

And then there was Coach, the heart and soul of that show; it was never the same after he left (Woody was a poor man's version of him). I always thought "Cheers" was a show until Coach died, then it became a sitcom, if that makes sense.

At gunpoint, I have to go with the "Seinfeld" cast. I just can't imagine any scenario in which the Elaine-Kramer-George trio could be topped. It's impossible. EDGE: "Seinfeld."

Best Celebrity Cameo: Both shows played this card beautifully over the years -- Kevin McHale, Keith Hernandez, Roger McDowell, Jon Voight, Wade Boggs, George Steinbrenner, Terry Hatcher, Marlee Matlin, etc. -- but the best celebrity cameo was from the two-part "Seinfeld" episode when Hernandez dates Elaine ("I'm Keith Hernandez ... I won the MVP in '79"). Other than Joe Montana's doing the "That's OK ... I'm going upstairs to masturbate" sketch on SNL in the mid-'80s, Hernandez's appearance destroys everything else I can remember -- that was one of the five best "Seinfeld" episodes of all-time. You know it's good when I'm ranking it ahead of McHale playing for the "Cheers" hoops team. EDGE: "Seinfeld."

Main Set: Jerry's apartment versus the bar from "Cheers"? Puh-leeeze. Throw in New York versus Boston and it's no contest. EDGE: "Cheers."

"Jump the Shark" Factor: "Seinfeld" jumped when Elaine straightened out her hair and Kramer revealed that his first name was "Cosmo"; "Cheers" jumped when Sam and Diane got engaged. Both of them were still watchable after these things happened ... they just weren't nearly as good. Hey, it happens. "Cheers" might have jumped sooner than "Seinfeld," but "Cheers" did a better job of integrating new characters and remaining somewhat fresh, whereas "Seinfeld" drove its four main characters into the ground. Couldn't they have thrown in a steady girlfriend for George or something? EDGE: Even.

Sam Malone, Diane Chambers

The sexual tension between Sam Malone and Diane Chambers sustained "Cheers" for years.

Sexual tension: As good as Elaine and Jerry were, they can't come close to Sam and Diane. Their relationship fueled that show for three consecutive years and banged home the "Women are utterly and completely insane" concept for me as a fledgling teenager. Thank you, Diane Chambers. BIG EDGE: "Cheers."

Consistency, originality and durability: The "Seinfeld" re-runs hold up much better these days; better-written, more original, more modern, outright funnier shows. But "Cheers" was hindered by the limits of sitcoms in the '80s -- one set, one plot, one resolution -- so it's tough to really blame them for that. And it showed a little soul and a little emotion from time to time, which "Seinfeld" simply wouldn't and couldn't do. "Cheers" remains the last great old-fashioned sitcom, the finest of its kind. They don't make 'em like that anymore. EDGE: Even.

Cultural Significance: Has there ever been a water cooler comedy quite like "Seinfeld"? And what about all the phrases from "Seinfeld" that became part of pop culture (like "Not that there's anything wrong with that"), or the quirky one-shot characters (the close-talker, the virgin, etc.). BIG EDGE: "Seinfeld."

Watershed Episode: Tough call for "Cheers"... I'd probably go with the Thanksgiving episode when everyone threw food at one another at Carla's house. Some inspired comedy there. For "Seinfeld," it's obviously "The Contest," in my opinion, the second-funniest sitcom in history (behind Larry Sanders' "Roast" episode). There's comedy, there's high comedy, there's transcendent comedy, and then there's George Costanza visiting his mother in the hospital just so he can peek in on the lady getting the sponge bath. EDGE: "Seinfeld."

Final Episode: "Cheers" ended things pretty well. Not great ... but OK. The final "Seinfeld" episode ranks right up there with "Rocky V," "Another 48 Hours" and "Fletch Lives" for me ... in other words, let's just pretend it never happened. EDGE: "Cheers."

Final Verdict: "Cheers" was a more complete all-around show (funny, heartwarming, well-acted, not afraid to introduce new characters), but "Seinfeld's" ceiling was just a little higher (groundbreaking, unique, unpredictable, and consistently great for five or six years). Much like they're might be another Michael Jordan, but there will never be another Larry Bird... there might be another "Cheers," but there will never be another "Seinfeld." EDGE: Seinfeld.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830287)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 9:02 AM
Author: salmon juggernaut property

Morty Seinfeld is a very underrated character.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830300)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 9:08 AM
Author: Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple

He was brilliant in the raincoat episode. But Mrs. Seinfeld (whatever her name was) brought nothing to the table.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830317)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 10:37 AM
Author: Geriatric immigrant

she was understated. can't have everyone be so over-the-top

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830568)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 8:59 AM
Author: erotic copper stain

what happened to Cheers though is exactly what Seinfeld didn't want to happen to his show. The early seasons were incredible, but starting around the time Kirstie Alley joined the show, it really went down hill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830295)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 9:02 AM
Author: Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple

One thing about Seinfeld: The last season really sucked. But it was an elite show until the penultimate season (other than the awkward first season).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830303)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 9:09 AM
Author: Infuriating chad haunted graveyard

Yeah, the show took a really sharp turn in the last two seasons, but I liked it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830322)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 10:36 AM
Author: Hyperactive messiness set

I could never get fully into Seinfeld. It’s an incredibly Jewish show.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830561)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 10:48 AM
Author: Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple

Too bad we never got to meet Bob Sacamano

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830605)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 11:06 AM
Author: Infuriating chad haunted graveyard

Or Vera

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830663)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 12:29 PM
Author: Puce Laughsome Half-breed Temple

Cr. Or Lomez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830970)



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Date: February 23rd, 2019 12:35 PM
Author: Infuriating chad haunted graveyard

I guess the difference is that Kramer's cronies were NYC oddballs that you'd never expect to see, but on Cheers it always seemed like there JUST MIGHT finally be a plot where Vera shows up and then becomes a semi-regular. Or maybe I was just naive at the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4207494&forum_id=2#37830999)