Only 7 blacks got into Stuyvesant’s freshman class out of 895 spots
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Date: March 20th, 2019 8:47 AM Author: fear-inspiring church
OK I haven't been posting but my brother alerted me to this post in particular and said I needed to pwn some people:
I am a descendant of African slaves and I got into Stuyvesant you racist asshole (my mother is from atlanta georgia and is extemely light skinned with curly red hair - she is undoubtedly the product of slave rape. My father is from Pittsburgh pa via rural Alabama and his black and white ancestors (my great-great grandmother was raped by a local wealthy white man-this was after then end of slavery actually but white men still raped and coerced black women into sex as there was little protection for black female victims of sexual abuse at the hands of white men at that time) were slave-holders and slaves before the civil war.
I wasn't at the bottom of the pile either I was about in the middle (I received a 604, highest score is 800 I think the cutoff is in the high 400s/around 500)
African Americans are not genetically inferior to Asians or anyone else. I am smart and do well on tests for the same reason anyone else is smart: my parents feel that education is EXTREMELY important and pushed this on my brothrr and me in an almost coercive fashion. My brother is similarly smart and its no question why. My mother stayed home with me for the first six years of my life (this was a huge sacrifice for the family because my father made very little money working as a taxi driver/other odd jobs). I knew how to read and write when I was about three, long before I began kindergarten unlike most of the kids in my class. My parents read to us nightly before we could read on our own ans as a result I have always LOVED reading and am extremely well read. When we came home from school we couldnt have snacks, play, watch tv or listen to music before completing our homework to our parent's satisfaction. Oh yeah and I had two parents.
Most black people arent raised in encironments like this. Their parents dont know anyone who has succeeded professionally (the only affluent people they know are rappers and ball players and drug dealers/pimps) so they don't care about education and these values rub off on their kids. I think Hispanic people tend to grow up in environments similar to blacks for reasons that I cant quire understand. I dobt know enough about Latino culture and unlike most racist xo posters I refuse to comment on a group of people whose culrw I dont understand. Most white and Asian people grow up in environments similar to mine.
XO likes to bring up the point that even wealthy blacks perform worse than poor Asians. Money has nothing to do with it. Even UMC blacks don't stress education, while poor Asians do. Also a lot of wealthier blacks made their money in high-paying civil service jobs such as police and bus driver (esp in NYC) and high-paying trades such as carpenter and brick layer. These people have.money on paper but aren't particularly educated. Most wealthy Whites and Asians are professionals such as Doctors,, accountants, financial professionals, college professors, computer programmers, etc. I have a cousin who makes over $100k working for the NYC MTA (for non-NYCERSthe MTA is the agency that controls all public transportation in the city and its nearby suburbs (commuter rail to westchester, northern NJ AAND LONG ISLAND)). he worked his way up from a subway sweeper to a manager of several train stations so he's actually quite smart (all civil service promotions in the city are done through tesring. It's probably one of the most meritocratic jobs in the world - there is absolutely no nepotism of cronyism involved - you score higher on the test than everyone else, you get the job). But he's not at all educated. I think he dropped out of HS AAND his highest level of formal education is a GED. so even though he's naturally smart and relatively wealthy he's uneducated and knows/cares nothing about education and this rubbed off of his kids, all of whom struggled to complete high school and of course none graduated from colleges (he has five kids by four different women and most of the babymamas are even worse than him.) One of his daughters is in the Air Force, one was in the army, became injured and now is a manger at s burger king. One son is unemployed/ocassionally does skateboard deliveries for GrubHub. He lives in a DDD car because his dad moved to Long Island with his fourth wife and he didnt want to leave the city. His eldest son actually has a pretty decent job. he does maintenance work for Methodist Hopsital (a small hopsital in Brooklyn that is affilaited with Weill-Cornell hospital). the last child is an infant that he had with his aforementioned new wife. She is over three but still doesnt speak much. the immediate family is very defensive about it and claims "that baby will speak when she has something to say." its actually quite sad and i really worry about my youngest cousin. also the only books she has are ones that my mother and i gave her for various birthdays and christmases. it is certainly not due to a lack of money or neglect - she has a room FULL of toys, clothes and other bullshit, theyre like spilling out of her nursery. her parents just dont care about education or reading, which is kind of odd given hr mom went t o college and is an RN.
Anyway all the libs you are disparaging don't secrelty think blacks and Hispanics are egenerically inferior as you keep saying. Like me, they think it is cultural and it is right. If it were, my brother and I wouldnt exist (yea yes I underatsnd its a bell curve and even under the racist thwories there are allowed exceptions). My father is jet black, from Alabama and the descendant of slaves. He has prob never made more than 30k a year in his life. But he is very inteligent anf self-educated and he pushes this off eonto me and my brother. If other blacks behaved this way we would do just as well as whites and Asians. Genetics have nothing to do with it.
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Date: March 20th, 2019 10:30 AM Author: fear-inspiring church
I always have a ton Of typos when I'm on my phone for some reasons
PUgh I can't stand editing but I will go back and try to make it more readable just in case your theory is correct
BTW you obviously got the gist of what I was saying. What dprrYOU think? 🙂
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Date: March 20th, 2019 11:44 AM Author: fear-inspiring church
The psychological community's consensus is that black and Hispanic kids underperform due to a combination of culture and early childhood educational experiences. I agree with them; why do you think this is inaccurate?
In my earlier post I forgot to mention that not only is black culture indifferent to education, it is in many case antagonistic towards it.
I had horrible experinces at the black schools I attended before I went to stuy. Not only did I stand out for being very fair-skinned and having long straight light brown hair (white people imagine that light skinned blacks experience privilege but many black people really really hate us. I was routinely called "white",asked if I was adopted from white biological parents or switched at birth (lol), called "white bitch", accused of being arrogant and thinking I was better than everyone else because of my skin and hair (black people place a huge amount of importance on having "good hair" like mine but it would take me forever to explain the how's and whys of this to a white person so just believe me) etc. but I was resented for being smart, actually enjoying school, being beloved by teachers and getting good grades (I was valedictorian of my junior high school class).
As I mentioned above, my family was really poor so I went to shitty ghetto schools (this was Brownsville during the mid 90s, probably one of the worst ghettos in the country at a time where ghettos were really bad and dangerous. I later transferred to a magnet school for poor but gifted and talented minority kids (of course, being a public school it wasn't really limited to minorities but it was located in a neighborhood that was then all Hispanic but is now a hipster haven (Bushwick lol) and in practice it was almost all black (almost all recent African immigrants and West Indians - I also stood out and was berated for being one of the few African American kids in the school and Hispanic(Puerto Rican and Dominican). Oddly enough, there were no white kids but we had a smattering of Asians, XO racist souls imagine that Asian kids would fucking pwn in a black and Hispanic school but amazingly this wasn't the case, the Asian kids were in the middle of the class in terms of grades and none were in the top 4 at graduation.
The magnet school was little better than the dumb ghetto schools had been. The idea that education was for white people and that caring about school was "acting white" prevailed even here, a school for smart kids that you had to test into. I was mocked for "sounding white" because I was extremely articulate and kids openly snickered during my valedictory speech at graduation. It just sucked.
All this of course raises the question of why black people behave this way but that's really neither here nor there and would require its own thread to explain. Just trust me, as I've spent a lot of time around blacks of all SES statuses, Asians and whites and I can compare the different cultures. But yeah this is why black peoples have such a hard time, not any bulkshit about being genetically inferior. I know this because blacks who DO come from backgrounds that emphasize education do as well as white and Asian kids. Of all the black kids I met at stuy and Yale, most were the kids of wealthy professionals but not all yet all had parents from emphasized education and learning from a young age.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224140&forum_id=2#37960362)
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Date: March 24th, 2019 9:02 AM Author: fear-inspiring church
So it's just a COINCIDNCE tat my mother stayed home with me and my brother, read to us extensively, stressed education from a young age, exposed us to intellectual pursuits so as museums and theatre, taught us to speak well and be articulate, and began discussing college when we were in middle school?
You really think my brother and I would be just as brief m brother and I had no dad and out single mom spent her tom with us sitting in the straps drinking 40s and smokin, watching the latest ports game, gossiping about the zaciciies of the ghetto, never reading to us or trying to teach us to read our sees?ZC
I'm sure we'd be equally as smart solely because of my genes and I would end u at Stuyvesant (with full rides to Chapin and Spence), Yale and graduate wwschool.
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Date: March 24th, 2019 10:25 AM Author: fear-inspiring church
This is bs
Xo is always complaining about how smart women forego staying at home to raisa their kids in ord r to return to work in a few month and continue pursuing their high powered careers.
Nothing about being smart or talented means the woman will stay home and raise her kids. In fact, it's probably a negative correlation at this point in 2019.
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Date: March 20th, 2019 12:23 PM Author: sepia garrison
"Genetics have nothing to do with it."
Nothing?
We can start here:
"It is clear that both environmental and genetic factors play a part in determining intelligence."
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/traits/intelligence
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Date: March 20th, 2019 2:40 PM Author: yellow bearded liquid oxygen hospital
At the extreme margins, I disagree, but policy should be crafted based on the majority, which is average.
Assuming you ignore the genetic IQ differences as irrelevant, that leaves parenting as the primary reason for differences in outcome.
How do you propose to fix black parenting?
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Date: March 24th, 2019 10:44 AM Author: fear-inspiring church
Yes this is false. Very few non-Stuy/Bronx Science/Brooklyn Tech NYC public school kids get into Yale. I know s is anecdotal evidence and I didn't know everyone on campus (althoughtnI know almost all blacks through membership in
BSAY - Black .students at Yale - but still those are abysmal statistics.
I'm not sure if it's a matter of the colleges realizing NYC non-magnet schools are shitty and thus rejecting kids from those schools OR WHETHER THe kids who ar e smart enough to do well on the PSAT/SAT and write good essays and perform well at sports/music S/debate etc. and n the Westinghouse science competitions and do well on APs and interviewed land do research/study abroad during the summer naturally self-Segregate into the top schools. So they may have good grades because the schools are easy but that's inky a small part of the application package.
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Date: March 19th, 2019 9:19 AM Author: twinkling histrionic whorehouse shitlib
Gem of an AOC quote at the bottom: “My question is, why isn’t every public school in New York City a Brooklyn Tech-caliber school?” she asked, to applause from the audience. “Every one should be.”
jfc at the society that can't acknowledge the very simple dynamic behind this outcome
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Date: March 19th, 2019 9:35 AM Author: ungodly gold space telephone
https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/money-school-performance-lessons-kansas-city-desegregation-experiment
Executive Summary
For decades critics of the public schools have been saying, “You can’t solve educational problems by throwing money at them.” The education establishment and its supporters have replied, “No one’s ever tried.” In Kansas City they did try. To improve the education of black students and encourage desegregation, a federal judge invited the Kansas City, Missouri, School District to come up with a cost-is-no-object educational plan and ordered local and state taxpayers to find the money to pay for it.
Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil—more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers’ salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country.
The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater, integration.
The Kansas City experiment suggests that, indeed, educational problems can’t be solved by throwing money at them, that the structural problems of our current educational system are far more important than a lack of material resources, and that the focus on desegregation diverted attention from the real problem, low achievement.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224140&forum_id=2#37954048) |
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Date: March 24th, 2019 10:56 AM Author: fear-inspiring church
Actually no they don't. I had to take classes at tech after 9/11 (stuy was less than s mile from ground zero and being used as a triage crnter so they devised this retarded plan whereby there would be w split day - tech kids had the school in the morning, we had it in the afternoon). At the time the neighborhood wasn't gentrified and full of million dollar houses so I remember white kids being shook as fuck lol. They were like "what if someone robs us?" "Oh gee...
anyway th school didn't have a/c (and still doesn't to the best of my knowledge),it's ten floors tall and had no escalators only archaic elevators that never walked so most people just took the stairs. The classrooms were old and the chairs were the old wooden style one arm desks from the 60s.
Place is a disaster. have you ever stepped Inside Brooklyn tech? (This is a serious non me non-rhetorical question).
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Date: March 19th, 2019 9:42 AM Author: lascivious honey-headed indian lodge circlehead
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Only a tiny number of black students were offered admission to the highly selective public high schools in New York City on Monday, raising the pressure on officials to confront the decades-old challenge of integrating New York’s elite public schools.
At Stuyvesant High School, out of 895 slots in the freshman class, only seven were offered to black students. And the number of black students is shrinking: There were 10 black students admitted into Stuyvesant last year, and 13 the year before.
Another highly selective specialized school, the Bronx High School of Science, made 12 offers to black students this year, down from 25 last year.
These numbers come despite Mayor Bill de Blasio’s vow to diversify the specialized high schools, which have long been seen as a ticket for low-income and immigrant students to enter the nation’s best colleges and embark on successful careers.
But Mr. de Blasio’s proposal to scrap the entrance exam for the schools and overhaul the admissions process has proved so divisive that the state’s most prominent politicians, from Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo to Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, have mostly avoided taking a definitive position — even as black and Hispanic students are grappling with increasingly steep odds of admission into the city’s eight most selective public schools.
Students gain entry into the specialized schools by acing a single high-stakes exam that tests their mastery of math and English. Some students spend months or even years preparing for the exam. Stuyvesant, the most selective of the schools, has the highest cutoff score for admission, and now has the lowest percentage of black and Hispanic students of any of New York City’s roughly 600 public high schools.
Lawmakers considering Mr. de Blasio’s proposal have faced a backlash from the specialized schools’ alumni organizations and from Asian-American groups who believe discarding the test would water down the schools’ rigorous academics and discriminate against the mostly low-income Asian students who make up the majority of the schools’ student bodies. (At Stuyvesant, 74 percent of current students are Asian-American.) The push to get rid of the test, which requires approval from the State Legislature, appears all but dead.
Attempts to diversify the schools without touching the test have failed. Neither the expansion of free test prep for minority students nor a new plan to offer the specialized high school exam during the school day made a dent in the admissions numbers.
The mayor and other supporters of the effort to overhaul the admissions system cited the statistics released Monday as the clearest evidence yet that the system is broken.
“These numbers are even more proof that dramatic reform is necessary to open the doors of opportunity at specialized high schools,” Mr. de Blasio said.
But at the same time, a slew of prominent Democrats in Albany and downstate, ranging from the city’s public advocate to the Democratic leaders of the Assembly and Senate, either declined to comment or issued statements that indicated the latest numbers are unlikely to change their positions.
Dani Lever, a spokeswoman for Mr. Cuomo, pointed to the governor’s previous comments on the proposal, saying, “It’s a legitimate issue that there are two sides to, and that should be looked at in the wider discussion of education in New York.”
The president of Stuyvesant’s alumni organization did not reply to requests for comment. Larry Cary, president of the Brooklyn Technical High School alumni foundation, said the numbers did not highlight a flaw in the admissions system, but rather the general lack of high-quality education for black and Hispanic students.
Jumaane Williams, the city’s newly elected public advocate and a graduate of Brooklyn Tech, said his opposition to completely scrapping the test remains unchanged. “The numbers are abysmal, we knew that,” said Mr. Williams, who is black. “The question is what do we do about it, how do we do it without needlessly pitting communities against each other?”
John Liu, the state senator from Queens who chairs the Senate’s New York City education committee, said any proposal should consider the needs of the Asian-American community. “A desegregation plan can only be effective if the problem is viewed as a whole, and one that is not formulated to the total exclusion of Asian-Americans,” he said.
The question of how to racially integrate the city’s elite high schools underscores how hard it is to tackle educational inequality and discrimination. It is a struggle playing out in real time as the future of affirmative action is being challenged at Harvard University and as last week’s college admissions scandal revealed the extreme ways in which wealthy and well-connected families try to game admissions.
Mayor Bill de Blasio announced a plan to diversify the high schools last summer.CreditDave Sanders for The New York Times
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Mayor Bill de Blasio announced a plan to diversify the high schools last summer.CreditDave Sanders for The New York Times
Though black and Hispanic students make up nearly 70 percent of New York City’s public school system as a whole, just over 10 percent of students admitted into the city’s eight specialized high schools were black or Hispanic, according to statistics released Monday by the city. That percentage is flat compared to last year.
Of the nearly 4,800 students admitted into the specialized schools, 190 are black — compared to 207 black students admitted last year out of just over 5,000 offers. About 5,500 black students took the admissions exam this year out of a total of about 27,500 applicants. Of the five specialized schools that were added under former Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s administration, only one, the Brooklyn Latin School, has a larger percentage of black applicants who were offered seats: 57 out of 540.
Stuyvesant made 33 offers to Hispanic students, up slightly from 27 seats last year. Asian-American students received 587 offers, and white students were offered 194 seats. Asian-American and white students make up about 15 percent each of the total public school system. The percentage of black students at Stuyvesant has been declining for two decades.
The number of Hispanic students who gained admission to Bronx Science also dropped from 65 last year to 43 today.
The numbers are a stark reminder that the exam tends to produce specialized schools with classes that do not reflect the school system as a whole.
The specialized school admissions process has been protected by state law since 1971, but last summer, Mr. de Blasio asked for Albany’s approval to scrap the exam and replace it with a system that admits the top performers from every city middle school.
Though the city has acknowledged that it could implement that system at five of the eight schools — not including Stuyvesant, Bronx Science or Brooklyn Tech, whose admission system is controlled by state law — Mr. de Blasio has argued that such action would create a confusing two-tiered system that would fail to diversify the schools with the fewest black and Hispanic students.
A recent report found that offers to Asian-American students, who now make up about 60 percent of the specialized schools, would drop by about half under the mayor’s plan, while offers to black students would increase fivefold if that plan is approved.
Critics of Mr. de Blasio’s plan have expressed frustration that he did not offer the Asian-American community any concessions, such as a new specialized high school, for all the seats they would lose under the proposal.
The city is relying on a less sweeping part of its plan to help force a measure of integration as soon as this fall: the expansion of Discovery, a summer program that prepares students who just miss the cutoff score for admission into a specialized school.
Though the city has not yet released data about this year’s Discovery class, officials said they believe the plan to set aside 20 percent of seats for Discovery students at each specialized school over the next two years will roughly double the number of black and Hispanic students in those schools.
But with so few black and Hispanic students in the schools, the bigger issue is the future of the test. Over the last few months, city officials have taken their plan to abandon it on the road, trying to sell it in local town hall meetings. They have faced furious parents from the Upper East Side to Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, who have at turns accused the city of trying to destroy the schools and of focusing too much on a tiny number of schools at the expense of the larger system.
In Albany, the issue has taken a back seat to more popular progressive legislation, including voting reform and abortion rights.
Democratic leaders in the Senate and Assembly have not signaled any willingness to champion an issue that appears to be a political loser; Assembly majority speaker Carl Heastie recently said his conference had not even raised the matter in talks.
And this past weekend, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez did not take a position on the admissions proposal when she spoke about the specialized high schools at an event in her Queens district.
Instead, she argued for broad school improvement, noting that her father traveled across three boroughs from the Bronx to Brooklyn Technical High School.
“My question is, why isn’t every public school in New York City a Brooklyn Tech-caliber school?” she asked, to applause from the audience. “Every one should be.”
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Date: March 19th, 2019 7:25 PM Author: Fighting vigorous queen of the night ceo
"Some students spend months or even years preparing for the exam. "
I'm sure there's tutoring going on at major private expense. Many black students just don't have the resources.
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Date: March 20th, 2019 2:30 PM Author: Concupiscible splenetic pisswyrm crackhouse
and 6 of those blacks are first gen igbo master race
Ljl at expecting the literal descendants of slaves to compete with superstudy azns or ashkenazi jews bred for intelligence. Its like expecting a bulldog to compete with a greyhound in a race
Thing is its not just IQ but it is genetic. conscientiousness is also in our genes and blacks have less of it
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224140&forum_id=2#37961338) |
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