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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:07 PM Author: azure stage psychic https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/05/the-trouble-with-dentistry/586039/
Lund extracted the wisdom tooth with no complications, and Mitchell began seeing him regularly. He never had any pain or new complaints, but Lund encouraged many additional treatments nonetheless. A typical person might get one or two root canals in a lifetime. In the space of seven years, Lund gave Mitchell nine root canals and just as many crowns. Mitchell’s insurance covered only a small portion of each procedure, so he paid a total of about $50,000 out of pocket. The number and cost of the treatments did not trouble him. He had no idea that it was unusual to undergo so many root canals—he thought they were just as common as fillings. The payments were spread out over a relatively long period of time. And he trusted Lund completely. He figured that if he needed the treatments, then he might as well get them before things grew worse. |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 10:10 PM Author: Glittery twinkling police squad puppy Lol at this dummy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137844) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:28 AM Author: seedy pozpig Many of Lund’s former patients worry about their future health. A root canal is not a permanent fix. It requires maintenance and, in the long run, may need to be replaced with a dental implant. One of Mitchell’s root canals has already failed: The tooth fractured, and an infection developed. He said that in order to treat the infection, the tooth was extracted and he underwent a multistage procedure involving a bone graft and months of healing before an implant and a crown were fixed in place. “I don’t know how much these root canals are going to cost me down the line,” Mitchell says. “Six thousand dollars a pop for an implant—it adds up pretty quick.”
Joyce Cordi’s new dentist says her X‑rays resemble those of someone who had reconstructive facial surgery following a car crash. Because Lund installed her new dental bridges improperly, one of her teeth is continually damaged by everyday chewing. “It hurts like hell,” she says. She has to wear a mouth guard every night. |
Date: April 24th, 2019 9:09 PM Author: azure stage psychic Cordi was somewhat perplexed. Why the sudden need for so many procedures after decades of good dental health? When she expressed uncertainty, she says, Lund always had an answer ready. The cavity on this tooth was in the wrong position to treat with a typical filling, he told her on one occasion. Her gums were receding, which had resulted in tooth decay, he explained during another visit. Clearly she had been grinding her teeth. And, after all, she was getting older. As a doctor’s daughter, Cordi had been raised with an especially respectful view of medical professionals. Lund was insistent, so she agreed to the procedures. Over the course of a decade, Lund gave Cordi 10 root canals and 10 crowns. He also chiseled out her bridge, replacing it with two new ones that left a conspicuous gap in her front teeth. Altogether, the work cost her about $70,000.
JFC goyim
they always tell me my gums are receding ljl |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:10 PM Author: azure stage psychic In early 2012, Lund retired. Brendon Zeidler, a young dentist looking to expand his business, bought Lund’s practice and assumed responsibility for his patients. Within a few months, Zeidler began to suspect that something was amiss. Financial records indicated that Lund had been spectacularly successful, but Zeidler was making only 10 to 25 percent of Lund’s reported earnings each month. As Zeidler met more of Lund’s former patients, he noticed a disquieting trend: Many of them had undergone extensive dental work—a much larger proportion than he would have expected. When Zeidler told them, after routine exams or cleanings, that they didn’t need any additional procedures at that time, they tended to react with surprise and concern: Was he sure? Nothing at all? Had he checked thoroughly?
In the summer, Zeidler decided to take a closer look at Lund’s career. He gathered years’ worth of dental records and bills for Lund’s patients and began to scrutinize them, one by one. The process took him months to complete. What he uncovered was appalling.
ljl at this dumb millennial while the boomer went off with $$$ |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 10:47 PM Author: violet shitlib Yeah, low-trust fraud cultures rule! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38138019) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:46 AM Author: hairless sex offender background story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38140426) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:13 PM Author: azure stage psychic Consider the maxim that everyone should visit the dentist twice a year for cleanings. We hear it so often, and from such a young age, that we’ve internalized it as truth. But this supposed commandment of oral health has no scientific grounding. Scholars have traced its origins to a few potential sources, including a toothpaste advertisement from the 1930s and an illustrated pamphlet from 1849 that follows the travails of a man with a severe toothache. Today, an increasing number of dentists acknowledge that adults with good oral hygiene need to see a dentist only once every 12 to 16 months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137576) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 10:14 PM Author: crusty onyx location Fair enough but this one is pretty harmless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137875) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:04 PM Author: Ivory Trip Indian Lodge Useless Brakes ignoring that there's now a solid link between tooth/gum health and alzheimers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38141190) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:15 PM Author: azure stage psychic The numbers spoke for themselves. Year after year, Lund had performed certain procedures at extraordinarily high rates. Whereas a typical dentist might perform root canals on previously crowned teeth in only 3 to 7 percent of cases, Lund was performing them in 90 percent of cases. As Zeidler later alleged in court documents, Lund had performed invasive, costly, and seemingly unnecessary procedures on dozens and dozens of patients, some of whom he had been seeing for decades. Terry Mitchell and Joyce Cordi were far from alone. In fact, they had not even endured the worst of it.
lol oh shit |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:16 PM Author: Dull Sweet Tailpipe Haven’t been to a dentist since the 7th grade. LJL at these Yankees. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137587) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:11 AM Author: scarlet fragrant menage skinny woman I haven’t since I was 20ish. Now I’m too embarrassed to go. But all the recent talk about gum disease & Alzheimer’s is scary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38138599) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:17 PM Author: azure stage psychic Dental crowns were one of Lund’s most frequent treatments. A crown is a metal or ceramic cap that completely encases an injured or decayed tooth, which is first shaved to a peg so its new shell will fit. Crowns typically last 10 to 15 years. Lund not only gave his patients superfluous crowns; he also tended to replace them every five years—the minimum interval of time before insurance companies will cover the procedure again.
More than 50 of Lund’s patients also had ludicrously high numbers of root canals: 15, 20, 24. (A typical adult mouth has 32 teeth.) According to one lawsuit that has since been settled, a woman in her late 50s came to Lund with only 10 natural teeth; from 2003 to 2010, he gave her nine root canals and 12 crowns. The American Association of Endodontists claims that a root canal is a “quick, comfortable procedure” that is “very similar to a routine filling.” In truth, a root canal is a much more radical operation than a filling. It takes longer, can cause significant discomfort, and may require multiple trips to a dentist or specialist. It’s also much more costly.
jfc this boomer was unbelievable |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:20 PM Author: Dull Sweet Tailpipe He should be executed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137608) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:26 PM Author: internet-worthy diverse dilemma scourge upon the earth After being forced to remove all of his own teeth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137634) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:21 PM Author: fishy stimulating affirmative action lmao at this shit "The American Association of Endodontists claims that a root canal is a “quick, comfortable procedure” that is “very similar to a routine filling.”" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137612) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:20 PM Author: Arousing site I think a lot of people just don’t brush their teeth regularly.
Just thoroughly brush twice a day and use mouthwash every day and floss a couple of times a week. |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:22 PM Author: dashing saffron center I've never had a cavity, brush twice a day, floss daily, and have had 2 root canals lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137621) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 10:15 PM Author: crusty onyx location (Proud patient of Dr. Lund) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137879) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:21 PM Author: azure stage psychic he idea of the dentist as potential charlatan has a long and rich history. In medieval Europe, barbers didn’t just trim hair and shave beards; they were also surgeons, performing a range of minor operations including bloodletting, the administration of enemas, and tooth extraction. Barber surgeons, and the more specialized “tooth drawers,” would wrench, smash, and knock teeth out of people’s mouths with an intimidating metal instrument called a dental key: Imagine a chimera of a hook, a hammer, and forceps. Sometimes the results were disastrous. In the 1700s, Thomas Berdmore, King George III’s “Operator for the Teeth,” described one woman who lost “a piece of jawbone as big as a walnut and three neighbouring molars” at the hands of a local barber.
and yet Asian moms put dentistry on par with law as a "profession" |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:21 PM Author: azure stage psychic Barber surgeons came to America as early as 1636. By the 18th century, dentistry was firmly established in the colonies as a trade akin to blacksmithing (Paul Revere was an early American craftsman of artisanal dentures). Itinerant dentists moved from town to town by carriage with carts of dreaded tools in tow, temporarily setting up shop in a tavern or town square. They yanked teeth or bored into them with hand drills, filling cavities with mercury, tin, gold, or molten lead. For anesthetic, they used arsenic, nutgalls, mustard seed, leeches. Mixed in with the honest tradesmen—who genuinely believed in the therapeutic power of bloodsucking worms—were swindlers who urged their customers to have numerous teeth removed in a single sitting or charged them extra to stuff their pitted molars with homemade gunk of dubious benefit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137619) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:22 PM Author: azure stage psychic In the mid-19th century, a pair of American dentists began to elevate their trade to the level of a profession. From 1839 to 1840, Horace Hayden and Chapin Harris established dentistry’s first college, scientific journal, and national association. Some historical accounts claim that Hayden and Harris approached the University of Maryland’s School of Medicine about adding dental instruction to the curriculum, only to be rebuffed by the resident physicians, who declared that dentistry was of little consequence. But no definitive proof of this encounter has ever surfaced.
Whatever happened, from that point on, “the professions of dentistry and medicine would develop along separate paths,” writes Mary Otto, a health journalist, in her recent book, Teeth. Becoming a practicing physician requires four years of medical school followed by a three-to-seven-year residency program, depending on the specialty. Dentists earn a degree in four years and, in most states, can immediately take the national board exams, get a license, and begin treating patients. (Some choose to continue training in a specialty, such as orthodontics or oral and maxillofacial surgery.) When physicians complete their residency, they typically work for a hospital, university, or large health-care organization with substantial oversight, strict ethical codes, and standardized treatment regimens. By contrast, about 80 percent of the nation’s 200,000 active dentists have individual practices, and although they are bound by a code of ethics, they typically don’t have the same level of oversight. |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:25 PM Author: olive titillating depressive stage total fraud hums "take those old records off the shelf!" while drilling your mouth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137630) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:25 PM Author: azure stage psychic Among other problems, dentistry’s struggle to embrace scientific inquiry has left dentists with considerable latitude to advise unnecessary procedures—whether intentionally or not. The standard euphemism for this proclivity is overtreatment. Favored procedures, many of which are elaborate and steeply priced, include root canals, the application of crowns and veneers, teeth whitening and filing, deep cleaning, gum grafts, fillings for “microcavities”—incipient lesions that do not require immediate treatment—and superfluous restorations and replacements, such as swapping old metal fillings for modern resin ones. Whereas medicine has made progress in reckoning with at least some of its own tendencies toward excessive and misguided treatment, dentistry is lagging behind. It remains “largely focused upon surgical procedures to treat the symptoms of disease,” Mary Otto writes. “America’s dental care system continues to reward those surgical procedures far more than it does prevention.”
jfc gonna kill myself for getting that deep cleaning |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:26 PM Author: azure stage psychic A multitude of factors has conspired to create both the opportunity and the motive for widespread overtreatment in dentistry. In addition to dentistry’s seclusion from the greater medical community, its traditional emphasis on procedure rather than prevention, and its lack of rigorous self-evaluation, there are economic explanations. The financial burden of entering the profession is high and rising. In the U.S., the average debt of a dental-school graduate is more than $200,000. And then there’s the expense of finding an office, buying new equipment, and hiring staff to set up a private practice. A dentist’s income is entirely dependent on the number and type of procedures he or she performs; a routine cleaning and examination earns only a baseline fee of about $200.
THERE IT IS |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 10:53 PM Author: violet shitlib But it's not unique to dentistry. Procedure-based medical specialties have similar tendencies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38138045) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:28 PM Author: azure stage psychic In October 2013, Zeidler sued Lund for misrepresenting his practice and breaching their contract. In the lawsuit, Zeidler and his lawyers argued that Lund’s reported practice income of $729,000 to $988,000 a year was “a result of fraudulent billing activity, billing for treatment that was unnecessary and billing for treatment which was never performed.” The suit was settled for a confidential amount. From 2014 to 2017, 10 of Lund’s former patients, including Mitchell and Cordi, sued him for a mix of fraud, deceit, battery, financial elder abuse, and dental malpractice. They collectively reached a nearly $3 million settlement, paid out by Lund’s insurance company. (Lund did not admit to any wrongdoing.)
jfc |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 9:31 PM Author: topaz windowlicker turdskin For example, dental sealants—liquid plastics painted onto the pits and grooves of teeth like nail polish—reduce tooth decay in children and have no known risks. (Despite this, they are not widely used, possibly because they are too simple and inexpensive to earn dentists much money.
This is totally wrong. Sealants are cash cows kids dentists but insurance often won't cover them and patients don't want to pay out of pocket. |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 10:38 PM Author: vibrant sticky nursing home Nah bro. It’s like $200 for all their teeth wo insurance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137985) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 10:42 PM Author: topaz windowlicker turdskin It's 30-60 bucks per tooth. Cost to the dentist is a nickel and they can even have the assistant do it so it takes zero dentist time. Cash cow, little breh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137998) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 10:54 PM Author: vibrant sticky nursing home Just had my kids done for $200. All her molars. Not really sure how long it took, didn’t seem too expensive to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38138056) |
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Date: April 24th, 2019 10:11 PM Author: insane high-end persian garrison I never fell for that wisdom tooth bullshit. Dry socket, my ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38137854) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:07 AM Author: pearly naked rehab Cr. Wisdom teeth removal is basically circumcision but for adults (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38138586) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:43 AM Author: Purple Arrogant Property mine came in sideways and made it hard to chew so I had to get them cut out under general anesthesia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38138674) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:29 AM Author: insane high-end persian garrison Sideways, as in at a right angle to the proper orientation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38140280) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:33 AM Author: galvanic magical address I've only had my bottom two removed, both after I turned 30, and only because they started to hurt.
My family dentist growing up was one of the good ones and told me not to worry about them unless they started bothering me. |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:41 AM Author: insane high-end persian garrison I have one that is slightly off. Was told all four had to go so as not to create an 'imbalance'. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38140379) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:47 AM Author: exciting space dingle berry Lmao. I’m imagining one side of your mouth chewing faster than the other. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38140435) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:48 AM Author: hairless sex offender background story it would generally unnerve the fuck out of me to have extra teeth on one side as opposed to the other. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38140451) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:50 AM Author: exciting space dingle berry I think this is pretty common. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38140459) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:43 AM Author: Beady-eyed impertinent fanboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38138518) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:16 AM Author: scarlet fragrant menage skinny woman My father wouldn’t let my siblings & me get sealants & he frowned upon us getting dental x-rays.
But I ended up with a mouth full of mercury that has probably caused untold damage. |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:50 AM Author: azure stage psychic i will say, orthodontics is 180 and you can see some pretty incredible results. but it's basically a pulley system with rubber bands, oh the technology ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38138685) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:53 AM Author: French home deer antler I had a procedure happy dentist growing up. My approach as an adult is to only go to the dentist when I have tooth pain. Haven't been in about 6 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38138692) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:32 AM Author: seedy pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38138755) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:51 AM Author: soul-stirring fighting base athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38140462) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:06 PM Author: Beady-eyed impertinent fanboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38141202) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:30 AM Author: Beta frisky becky Dentists are fucking pieces of shit. Still have no idea why no dental work is covered at all by insurance besides the obvious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38138753) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:51 AM Author: soul-stirring fighting base athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38140465) |
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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:02 PM Author: seedy pozpig This Lund guy is like the Farid Fata of dentistry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248158&forum_id=2#38141172) |
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